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Hiccup
05-03-2010, 01:03 AM
Old I know but coming soon so!
OnLive: The Future of Video Games (http://www.onlive.com/index.html)

Looking over the main site and reading what people are saying about it, it sounds like it plays commercial, retail games (Crysis, Mirror's Edge, Bioshock, etc) from their database sending all vital data back and forth using the internet. That means a couple of things...

a) Your computers specifications do not matter whatsoever, as long as it has an internet connection. That means you can play next-gen games on your PC or on your TV (if you buy special hardware), even if your PC is just barely good enough to run Dungeon Fighter Online. All the upgrades are done on their end to the hardware, so you never have to upgrade any hardware... no matter how advanced the games get. Depending on the games they get, you may never need to upgrade consoles either.

b) Since all data is sent online, you never physically own any games. I don't know if you pay individually for games or if you pay a monthly/yearly fee and play anything you like as much as you like, the paying scheme isn't worked out yet. There's an obvious downside to this of course. You cannot play the games if you don't have an internet connection, or perhaps if your connection isn't good enough to handle it.

According to the site however, the games apparently start up pretty much instantly, have all of the single-player and multiplayer functions they always had and are always regularly updated. No downloading patches or even downloading games, it's all just a click away.

c) It completely eliminates piracy and probably hacking for that matter. If you don't have the game files anywhere near you, how can you alter them? The only problem with that though, is it completely eliminates mods as well... though I think I read somewhere they might actually be able to support mods, but they'd have to be like approved by them and they allow you to load the mods with the game (kind of like how you select the mods you want with Morrowind/Oblivion and the Max Payne games). I could be very wrong though.

If you're interested in a better explanation of exactly how this works, check out this blog entry:
Server Hopping with OnLive OnLive Blog





The first qualified 25,000 users who successfully register for OnLive’s Game Service will have the monthly Service Fee waived for the first 3 months of usage. The monthly service fee is currently $14.95, subject to change.
Waiver of Service Fee includes free access to OnLive’s Game Service including game demos, video profiles and community features, but does not include playing full versions of games, which are to be purchased or rented separately.


My thoughts?
If this is all true, the price is fair and it isn't too strenuous on internet connections, I think I could fall in love with this service. For someone like me who generally tends to be several generations behind as far as my PC is concerned, the ability to play next-gen games on my crappy little laptop is nothing short of incredible. People will be pissed though if this actually takes off, as it'll make their monster PC's and consoles obsolete.

/posted on DFOSource

BobYoMeowMeow
05-03-2010, 01:05 AM
no one has the internet to stream games.
It will be overly hyped
and then fail

Hiccup
05-03-2010, 01:07 AM
Xfinity? lolol

You never know really. This could be some amazing thing, just gonna have to wait and find out

BobYoMeowMeow
05-03-2010, 01:11 AM
Comcast isn't even one of the fastest ISPs.
No internet speed is good enough for this and ISPs will bawl about this service.

Hiccup
05-03-2010, 01:11 AM
"lololol" was not very srs

BobYoMeowMeow
05-03-2010, 01:14 AM
Well takes your joking crap somewhere else.
The cat's observation is the most realistic.

EndlessDreams
05-03-2010, 01:31 AM
Looks like a scam or some sort.

Liraiyu
05-03-2010, 01:52 AM
Australia doesn't even get it.
And if Australia did, I don't know anyone who has fast enough internet to run it.

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Lan
05-03-2010, 07:24 AM
What about Google's ISP?

Hiccup
05-03-2010, 12:15 PM
Looks like a scam or some sort.

Look at their partners and amount of news they getting. If it's a scam its incredibly well hidden

Iyasenu
05-03-2010, 04:35 PM
lol google's ISP

that sounds like it could handle anything x.x
1Gbps yikes


i wonder about this though...
looks nifty...

BobYoMeowMeow
05-03-2010, 06:32 PM
Look at their partners and amount of news they getting. If it's a scam its incredibly well hidden

It is not a scam of course.
It's just not realistic for the average consumer at this point.
The cat has a friend who's a genius with internet related stuff
he found a method to download terrabytes which are like million times bigger than megabytes

HOWEVER
it is reserved and only convienent for company use only
it's not fit for the general public.

And most importantly of all
it's more expensive to pay for Onlive and ridiculous internet
than it is to make a one time investment in a good computer
hell, prices are dropping so fast that maxing out crysis is not rare at all.

Arrionso
05-04-2010, 03:22 PM
This is as legit as it gets.

I remember signing up for the beta testing of the hardware a year ago (some time after it's announcement). The sad thing is I was actually ACCEPTED into the beta program back in December but I was on vacation during the week that I was supposed to respond and they ended up dismissing my name.
:T_T:


Despite the possible issues that may arise from such a service, I really do hope it goes well. I might even register and try it out for myself. It's listed at $15/month for the service and then additional fees for "renting"(?) and "buying"(?) the games. This could very well turn out cheaper than spending cash on consoles when it comes to all those ~10 hour games although it looks like they're only putting up PC games for now. Still looking forward to how it all plays out.

Cannibal
05-04-2010, 03:27 PM
You better have damn good internet.

Iyasenu
05-04-2010, 03:33 PM
You better have damn good internet.

find me some? :D
i can use it on mabi :D

muwaha

or maybe a connection that transcends distance xD
<10ms ping = :O

BobYoMeowMeow
05-04-2010, 06:33 PM
find me some? :D
i can use it on mabi :D

muwaha

or maybe a connection that transcends distance xD
<10ms ping = :O

you're streaming a GAME
not a video or video input

Hiccup
05-04-2010, 10:42 PM
Streaming a game without the need of the high end specs basically.

Infamy
05-04-2010, 11:34 PM
Video/Audio streaming

According to Flash video (FLV) bitrate calculator (http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/apps/flv_bitrate_calculator/)
Streaming 1280x720 video at 29.97 fps along with audio requires almost
1Mbps of constant downspeed. This is for ENCODED Video, which takes a
significant amount of time. To be as responsive as possible, the OnLive game servers will have to send uncompressed raw video.
According to Video bitrate calculator (http://web.forret.com/tools/video_fps.asp),
1280x720 8bits/color @ 29.97 FPS equals 662.89 Mbps uncompressed bitrate.

So... unless you're on 1Gbps LAN with the OnLive servers, you won't be getting smooth framerates.

Latency

30fps is barely playable for shooter/adventure games. Your controls feel non-reponsive and it's simply not fun.
Rendering on your own computer at 30fps means each frame takes 33ms to draw. If, however, this rendering is done on a remote server, the response time to your controls would be increased by the amout of latency between the server and you.
If you're optimisitic and assume 50ms latency, (how many of us has that for mabi?) the total time before your screen responds to a movement is 50+30+50= 130ms, which is more than 4 times as slow as a barely playable 30fps.

Can't play like that...