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xJac
04-05-2011, 11:56 PM
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All That You Need To Know About Transformation

Introduction:
Okay, here's a huge overhaul of the guide, hopefully will prove useful to someone......


Changelog:
Oct 19, 2011 - Jeez... that long? - -;; Changed a lot info in the guide, introduced 2nd trans skills and bonuses etc.
June 18, 2011 - Edited wrong information on Pally vs DK, though I am procrastinating on updating the skills... yea..
June 14, 2011 - Edited a few information for the coming update. Going to take a bit longer to update all the skills.
May 11, 2011 -Changed a few things, currently investigating the height increase I am experiencing right now when trans'd.
May 9, 2011 - Added more opinion on Pally vs DK, as well as an alternate method for cheap trans/level exp.
April 17, 2011 - Changed a few misleading text.
April 13, 2011 - More informations updated.
April 11, 2011 - Updated additional information.
April 07, 2011 - Updated equipment status.
April 06, 2011 - Changed some content, easier to read.
April 05, 2011 - Posted on Mabinogi nation.
March 31, 2011 - First version finished and posted.


Transformation:
Transformation is an awesome skill you can obtain upon reaching level 40. You would have to do a quest series regarding "Pact". And towards the end, you will be given an option to kill someone, who constantly mistreat you, or spare him. Whether you wish revenge or mercy, it's entirely up to you. But be ware, killing him means becoming Dark Knight, and sparing means becoming Paladin. (You don't actually kill him, they are just teasing you.)

To use transformation:
Stage One: Does not use any SP bar or ap, can only be used only once per hour.
Stage Two: Takes two SP bar, 10 ap, and requires to be in stage one first.

Base effects from Transformation:
While in transformation, you will attain a class specific trans look, and additional stats to HP, STA (stamina), ATT, and M.ATT .
For First Trans, you will obtain +500 HP, +50 STA, +700 ATT, and +700 M.ATT just from transforming.
(not counting the bonus from your path skills, if you have any)
For Second Trans, you will obtain additional +500 HP, +2300 ATT, and +2300 M.ATT on top of the first transformation bonus.


Dark Knight:
You are true follower of Morighan, keeper of Her flames, and determined to kill. You are willing to sacrifice anything to destroy your enemy, including yourself. Destruction and Hate governs you, and anyone who stands on your way will be slayed.


First Trans
(No requirement)
Revelation: HP
Increase Max HP
Level 1: +500
Level 2: +1000
Level 3: +1500


Revelation: ATT
Increase ATT, M.ATT and balance
Level 1: +500
Level 2: +1000
Level 3: +1500


Steal
Whenever you perform a special attack such as Smash, you steal your opponent's HP and add a small part of it onto your ATT, making you stronger the more you attacks.
Increase Damage dealt.
Level 1: +5%
Level 2: +10%
Level 3: +15%
Level 4: +20%
Level 5: +25%
*The rough estimate of steal damage is around 280~300, and the rough estimate of percentile taken is 2~3%. The percentile stays the same, increasing Steal gives higher damage dealt, not higher percentile taken.
**Grasp and Steal don't add toward your SP.
***Can also procs when you block

(Requires 5 points invested)
Revelation: Fatigue
Increase SP gain rate.
Level 1: +30%
Level 2: +60%
Level 3: +90%
Level 4: +120%
Level 5: +150%

(Requires 10 points invested)
Revelation: Potential
Increase STR, WIL, AGI, INT
Level 1: +500
Level 2: +1000
Level 3: +1500
Level 4: +2000
Level 5: +2500

Firestorm
Increase the number of enemy you can Steal from.
Level 1: Can Steal from 2.
Level 2: Can Steal from 3.
Level 3: Can Steal from 4.
Level 4: Can Steal from 5.
Level 5: Can Steal from 6.

(Requires 15 points invested)
Slow Down
Slow down the movement of one enemy among the enemies you stole from.




Second Trans (Requires 25 points invested.)
Conflagration



Pact: Transform
You can advance to the next step after Dark Knight.



Paladin:
You were unsure of your faith, torn between your faith and conscience, but you have decided upon a new path. You are willing to sacrifice anything to protect others. Protection and Love governs you, and anyone who harms your friends will be stopped.

Stage One Transformation
Base Tier (No requirement)
Grace: HP
Increase Max HP
Level 1: +500
Level 2: +1000
Level 3: +1500


Grace: DEF
Increase DEF
Level 1: +250
Level 2: +500
Level 3: +750


Grasp
Whenever you perform a special attack such as Smash, there's a chance to activate seeking projectile.
Increase Damage dealt.
Level 1: +5%
Level 2: +10%
Level 3: +15%
Level 4: +20%
Level 5: +25%
*grasp damage is around 300 per cast (1v1 against boss), which is 100 per missile at level 1. Bypass boss' DEF.
**Grasp and Steal don't add toward your SP.
***Can also procs when you block


First Tier (Requires 5 points invested)
Grace: Fatigue
Increase SP gain rate.
Level 1: +30%
Level 2: +60%
Level 3: +90%
*A huge boost when maxed. Must maxed for every class.

Grace: Resistance
Prevents knockdown.
Level 1: +20%
Level 2: +40%
Level 3: +60%
Level 4: +80%
Level 5: +95%
*When this effect is proc'd, you will only flinch, and won't be knocked down.
**For some reason, Standing Endurance's chance also increase the chance of Resistance to Proc. You still get knocked back once in a while, but even at level 1, you would rarely see yourself being knocked down or knocked back.


Grace: Aura
Recover SP over time. Works on ally.
Level 1: Recover 1 SP every 3 seconds.
Level 2: Recover 2 SP every 3 seconds.
Level 3: Recover 3 SP every 3 seconds.
Level 4: Recover 4 SP every 3 seconds.
Level 5: Recover 5 SP every 3 seconds.
*Your full HP gauge is 1000 SP, so a full trans period, with max SP Aura will only recover 200, barely enough for one bar (4 SP bars total)


Second Tier (Requires 10 points invested)
Divine Punishment
Your seeking projectiles targets multiple enemies.
Level 1: Attack up to 2 enemies with the projectile.
Level 2: Attack up to 3 enemies with the projectile.
Level 3: Attack up to 4 enemies with the projectile.
Level 4: Attack up to 5 enemies with the projectile.
Level 5: Attack up to 6 enemies with the projectile.
*Note: it seems like even without this leveled, you were able to attack up to 2 enemies at a time.

Pact: 2nd Transformation
You can advance to the next step after Paladin.


Third Tier (Requires 15 points invested)
Petrification
Your seeking projectile can paralyze one enemy.

Grace: Potential
Increase STR, WIL, AGI, INT
Level 1: +200
Level 2: +400
Level 3: +600
*Even though nerf'd, still very powerful boost; must max for every class.


Stage Two Transformation
Benefits only starts after you go into 2nd stage trans
Fourth Tier (Requires 20 points invested)
Grace: Longevity
Increase max HP.
Level 1: +500
Level 2: +1000
Level 3: +1500


Grace: Perserverance
Increase DEF
Level 1: +250
Level 2: +500
Level 3: +750


Grace: Stamina
Recover stamina over time.
Level 1: Recover 2 Stamina over 5 Seconds
Level 2: Recover 4 Stamina over 5 Seconds
Level 3: Recover 6 Stamina over 5 Seconds
Level 4: Recover 7 Stamina over 5 Seconds
Level 5: Recover 8 Stamina over 5 Seconds

Fifth Tier (Requires 25 points invested)
Grace: Vigor
Increase SP gain rate per attack.
Level 1: +30%
Level 2: +60%
Level 3: +90%
*Stack with Grace: Fatigue; must max.

Conviction
Create a shield around yourself absorbing damage.
*About one hits from boss in hero, two hits from boss in hard fomorian base, and three to four hits in lower level boss. Don't know exact value yet. Need further testing.


Sixth Tier (Requires 30 points invested)
Grace: Regeneration
Regenerates HP over time.
Level 1: Recover 30 HP over 5 Seconds
Level 2: Recover 60 HP over 5 Seconds
Level 3: Recover 90 HP over 5 Seconds
Level 4: Recover 120 HP over 5 Seconds
Level 5: Recover 150 HP over 5 Seconds

Seventh Tier (Requires 35 points invested)
Grace: Destiny
Increase STR, WIL, AGI, INT
Level 1: +200
Level 2: +400
Level 3: +600
*Must max.

Discipline
Increase the damage absorb by conviction.
Level 1: +20%
Level 2: +40%
Level 3: +60%
Level 4: +80%
Level 5: +100%
*Not a bad skill, but since you want to max Grace: Destiny, you would only have 2 points left for this skill

Facts:
About trans exp:
1. If you only use trans, and do nothing with it till the end, you get 75 exp.
2. If you trans on the boat (the waiting room), it will not give you any trans exp.
3. There's only 4 situation that will make you receive your trans exp:
(A) when the mission boss died, which you will go into screen shot period.
(B) when you're dead.
(C.) when you left the boat.
(D) when you cancel the transformation.
4. You will only receive your trans exp once, and once only; so if you got into screenshot period before trans end, killing more stuff after that won't give you any more exp.
5. Highest trans exp you can get per trans is 100 exp, so trans exp range from 75 exp~100 exp per cast.
6. You can also get trans exp even if you're assisting.
7. Grasp/Steal also counts toward your trans exp, even if it doesn't add to your SP.
8. Killing the boss does not guarantee you 100 trans exp.
9. Approximately 1000 damage done is 1 trans exp, overkill counts as well; dealing more than 25,000 damage will guarantee you max trans exp. (Might sound a lot, but that's about Sturdy Emuloch's full HP in solo mode, or 35 veteran gnolls WITHOUT overkill.)


About trans count:
1. Trans count reset at every hour mark (7pm, 8pm etc), it's not a cool down like mediation. (You can check the time of the server by enabling it in menu>option>etc)
2. On boat, using trans before the host pressed the start button, will not take away your count for the hour.
3. Using trans after the host pressed the start button (during the starting sequence), will take away your count for the hour. (And you won't have a picture of you transforming, it will automatically fix you into pally/dk armor and skip the animation, so don't bother.)
4. If you're in a dungeon, and used trans in that dungeon, you won't be able to use trans again in that particular dungeon, even if the time just hit another hour mark. (if you used trans on boat, as long as you switch something in the quick slot or equips, you can still use trans in the dungeon.)


About Equipment status:
Equips will be broken after transformation period ends.
Weapons and shield will not break after transformation, but will return to the same state before transformation.
Broken equips before trans will not give any DEF after transformation, even though it looks unbroken (if you press alt, then you will see the part is still broken).
Broken shield, however, will be fixed temporary and work normally as unbroken, and will go back to broken status after transformation.

When a Fiona use trans without holding a shield:
She will temporarily gain one while in transformation; but you cannot do counterattack or PG extra effect with it; also, if you do something that will make your shield disappear, such as sitting, your shield will become invisible. You do not gain DEF bonus, and the shield itself seems unbreakable.



Easy way to get 100 trans exp:
Friends?: Little exp, easy mode.
Do Friends? in boat one (hard mode), there's plenty of monsters for you to get enough SP and also 100 trans exp.

*Note: Trash mob, or even bosses, in higher boats don't necessary mean higher HP than veteran gnolls, so when trans in higher boats, make sure you have killed enough.

Hidden solo: Good EXP, takes a bit skill.
Another easy way is to solo hidden, but there's two things to keep in mind.
First, you need to make sure you can gather a full SP gauge (4 sp bars) from the first room. Make sure you know which moves don't give sp at all, and which would give the most. Overkill counts toward SP, so try to make that number as high as possible. You can try to get SP from Giant Spider, but be careful, as you need to do 25k damage while in trans to get 100 trans exp, and Giant Spider in hard mode only have 26k hp.

Second, you need to make sure you can solo hidden in trans. For spears and staff, it's quite easy, just spam hurricane/magic arrow, and you can lead yourself to victory. For others, be sure you use the correct tactic, you can still die in trans.



Regarding DK vs Pally:
It's quite easy to reach ATT cap (10,000 + boss DEF) with just Potential, on the other hand, the DEF bonus always proves to be more useful. Pally wins slightly on this for Evie, and possibly Lann.

Now, for the SP aura and stamina aura. The SP aura recovers sp over time, while Stamina aura gives you 200 stamina. A full SP gauge is 1000 sp, you do the math. DK definitely fares better in this case.

As for the attack spell vs defense spell, I don't any enough data on that. If you know something about it, please share, thank you.


Credit:
jakjak4161 - enabling trans again on boat (waiting room)
Ridon - Steal damage and stolen ATT
RHINOmkII - equipment status
whocares8128 - additional information on equipment status, trans enabling on boat, and procing
TA/Tiffany/Tasha - hidden solo for trans exp.
Abaddon - SP bar value.

Taliya
04-06-2011, 01:07 AM
QUESTION! Do you have to use all skill points gained for a specific tier? Lets say, as a Pally, I put my first point into Grasp. Can I save the next 4 points I get in the following levels to instantly get 5 points for petrification? Do I have to put 5 points into Grasp to unlock petrification? Hope that was understood. >.<;

Masterdo
04-06-2011, 03:06 AM
QUESTION! Do you have to use all skill points gained for a specific tier? Lets say, as a Pally, I put my first point into Grasp. Can I save the next 4 points I get in the following levels to instantly get 5 points for petrification? Do I have to put 5 points into Grasp to unlock petrification? Hope that was understood. >.<;

1 point in Grasp unlocks the next skill, as long as you have 5 points total invested in the skills.

Taliya
04-06-2011, 10:09 AM
Ok, so I have to spend the first 15 (lol I said 5) points before I can put stuff in petrification. Thanks

xJac
04-06-2011, 11:18 AM
Yes, masterdo is correct.

foreignreign
04-06-2011, 04:01 PM
I like how you specifically state "Requires x points invested" instead of just something like "unlocks after x points" since you actually need to use x amount of skill points before unlocking a tier. In-game description is vague about that.

xJac
04-06-2011, 11:46 PM
Yea, haha, thx.
I actually saved up 3 points of trans point thinking I could add them all into SP gain right when I reach the level, then realized it's 5 points invested...
What a bummer.

Ridon
04-08-2011, 01:44 AM
Great job, really informative.

Patbini
04-08-2011, 04:06 PM
So, I've got a question...
Does the DK skill Revelation: Potential give you +500 per upgrade to all stats, or does it leave out the AGI stat? I've seen both, but I suspect it is +500 to all like it says in this guide.

Andy-Buddy
04-08-2011, 06:56 PM
So, I've got a question...
Does the DK skill Revelation: Potential give you +500 per upgrade to all stats, or does it leave out the AGI stat? I've seen both, but I suspect it is +500 to all like it says in this guide.

http://puu.sh/1uuD

Patbini
04-09-2011, 06:17 AM
http://puu.sh/1uuD

Cool, thanks :D
And sorry about this but I have another question...
Does the sole act of transforming with no points into anything give you any additional base stats, or are you just as strong (or squishy in my case) as without it? I think I read something on the Nexon forums about it giving a huge boost to attack and defense, on top of everything else, once it was leveled up. I am skeptical about most things I read from there though...

blizzire
04-09-2011, 10:37 AM
It does give some stats when you use it.

ZandarEagle
04-09-2011, 11:27 AM
Regarding transformation on the boat, can you drink SP Potions to get 2 transformations out of one dungeon ride? Or do you not get trans XP while on the boat?

xJac
04-09-2011, 01:14 PM
You can trans as many times as you want as long as you swap something in the quick slot.

Base stats are +5k ATT, +25 all stats.

Metamorphosis
04-10-2011, 02:00 AM
I've also noticed your immune (or atleast very very resilient) to knockdowns when transformed.. might be worth adding.

ZandarEagle
04-10-2011, 05:13 AM
But do you get transformation XP on the boat? I guess I have to go test this out :)

xJac
04-10-2011, 11:13 AM
I think I have already said it, you don't get xp on the boat, at all.

I will update about the trans base effects.

Btw, I used trans on legends, flicker's electric ball knocked me out of trans animation, and I am max xp, trans'd, with a full gauge of SP bar unused. (Not sure abut whether or not I am getting my trans exp or not, since I wasn't paying attention at that time.)

Conor
04-10-2011, 11:20 AM
If you trans on a boat, does it still use 10 ap?

Mikey
04-10-2011, 04:10 PM
If you trans on a boat, does it still use 10 ap?

From what I'm aware you need 10 AP to use it, but it won't actually take away your AP.

Edit: Can somebody please explain how grasp works? On the skill description it says something about projectiles, and I've seen people call then "missles," but I've never actually seen it in action. What is it? How does it work? Is that whole chain of Grasp skills worth maxing?

xJac
04-10-2011, 04:35 PM
Missiles = grasp. Basically whenever you do anything that requires smash key, you have a chance to proc them.

Maxing it is optional, entirely up to you.

Mikey
04-10-2011, 05:02 PM
Missiles = grasp. Basically whenever you do anything that requires smash key, you have a chance to proc them.

Maxing it is optional, entirely up to you.

Thanks for the quick reply! What's "proc?"

ZandarEagle
04-10-2011, 08:32 PM
Processed random occurence. Basically when you say "it has a chance to proc" it means "it has a chance to occur" (whatever the effect is that is proccing)

Mikey
04-10-2011, 08:47 PM
Processed random occurence. Basically when you say "it has a chance to proc" it means "it has a chance to occur" (whatever the effect is that is proccing)

Thank you. :3

ZandarEagle
04-11-2011, 02:46 AM
No problem. I ask enough questions on the boards that I felt that I should try to answer some :) Besides, you've helped me out on a couple of posts in the past if I recall correctly.

whocares8128
04-11-2011, 01:19 PM
Yea, haha, thx.
I actually saved up 3 points of trans point thinking I could add them all into SP gain right when I reach the level, then realized it's 5 points invested...
What a bummer.

LOL, I did the same thing.

One thing I didn't see mentioned:
Changing anything on the equipment section of the inventory screen will allow for another transformation on the boat (or inside the dungeon, after the host starts the mission). In other words, armor, accessory, and weapon swaps also reset the "transformation used status", not just quick slots).

Also, I can confirm the broken shield piece, but I also thinks it's worth noting that the "transformed" shield can break during the time you're transformed. Again, the "transformed" shield is a different shield than the one you were using before activating transformation, so the normal shield will return to whatever state it was in, regardless of what happened to the shield in your transformed state.

I wonder if similarly it's possible to break sections of armor in the transformed state...

Oh, and blocking also can proc the projectiles. (Yes, I laughed when I saw how many veteran gnolls were dying just by attacking me.)

P.S. Even if Fiona enters the dungeon without a shield, she'll gain one to use by transforming.

Andy-Buddy
04-12-2011, 01:27 AM
LOL, I did the same thing.

One thing I didn't see mentioned:
Changing anything on the equipment section of the inventory screen will allow for another transformation on the boat (or inside the dungeon, after the host starts the mission). In other words, armor, accessory, and weapon swaps also reset the "transformation used status", not just quick slots).

Also, I can confirm the broken shield piece, but I also thinks it's worth noting that the "transformed" shield can break during the time you're transformed. Again, the "transformed" shield is a different shield than the one you were using before activating transformation, so the normal shield will return to whatever state it was in, regardless of what happened to the shield in your transformed state.

I wonder if similarly it's possible to break sections of armor in the transformed state...

Oh, and blocking also can proc the projectiles. (Yes, I laughed when I saw how many veteran gnolls were dying just by attacking me.)

P.S. Even if Fiona enters the dungeon without a shield, she'll gain one to use by transforming.

Do you happen to have a screenshot of the broken shield?

(Not much doubt, I just have a thing for broken shields.)

And does the armor meter when alt is held applied to the trans shield too?

whocares8128
04-12-2011, 01:47 PM
Do you happen to have a screenshot of the broken shield?
No...but it looks the same (i.e. no broken/damaged model). I can take a screenshot if you like, or you can run Friends and counter attack everything without the fire buff, which is what I did.



And does the armor meter when alt is held applied to the trans shield too?
Yes

xJac
04-13-2011, 11:54 AM
Hmm... i thought I posted this, but anyway.

Can you check on the DEF bonus from broken shield, and no shield when trans? Since I don't have a Fiona, I can't check it myself.

Thanks.

whocares8128
04-13-2011, 03:53 PM
I'll take a look at it later. For now, I can tell you that the shield that transformation provides (when you don't actually bring one) cannot be used to counterattack, or whatever-it's-called-where-you-can-start-at-the-third-swing-after-perfect-blocking, but it does negate damage. So basically, it works like a large shield.

Other bizarreness I didn't mention earlier: If you have no weapon nor shield equipped, and transform, you'll still have a shield. However, if you sit (or perform other actions that make your shield "disappear"), it will remain gone (visually anyway...you can still do the block and heavy stander animations). I have yet to test if you can still negate damage like this or not as I've only messed with this stuff on the boat.

xJac
04-13-2011, 04:30 PM
So you won't have a weapon huh, that's funny.

Fist fighting paladin!!!!! Oh LOOOK I CAN BLOCK WITH MY HANDS.

whocares8128
04-13-2011, 08:12 PM
@xJac
Okay, as a Dark Knight, my DEF transformed is no different than normal. The same holds true for when my shield is broken; it is lessened by the same amount. However, breaking my shield and then transforming restored the lost DEF as I was given a new unbroken shield. Breaking it (while transformed) dropped my DEF back to the lower number. Repairing it with SP: Shield Repair restored that DEF, which was then lost with the transformation as I was given the shield I had when I transformed (which was broken).

So basically, you get a new shield to mess with, based on the type of shield you had (large shield if you had none), and go back to exactly what you had afterward.

Update:
I tried going in without a shield. I started with less DEF even less than with a broken shield. The DEF did not increase when I transformed and was granted a (large?) shield for use, and... there was no icon for the shield condition. As near as I can tell, the shield was unbreakable, as I used Heavy Stander nearly the entire 2 minutes and it did not break. It most certainly protected me from harm during those 2 minutes.

Next test: Without any shield or weapon
I wonder if I can even gather a full SP bar...

xJac
04-14-2011, 09:30 AM
I just thought of an easy way, drink sp potion on boat :D

But thx for the informations.

Mikey
04-14-2011, 09:54 AM
I just thought of an easy way, drink sp potion on boat :D

But thx for the informations.

If you drink it in the boat, your SP goes back down once you actually start. o;

xJac
04-14-2011, 10:14 AM
And use trans on the boat. > >

whocares8128
04-14-2011, 10:56 AM
LOL
If you use trans on the boat (and don't swap something on the equipped side of the inventory dialog), you won't be able to transform in the stage. Of course, you won't show up transformed either.

Besides... I accidentally drank my last SP potion recently. :fail:

xJac
04-15-2011, 10:24 AM
I still have 5 left. :p
Too bad you can't trade it.

whocares8128
04-15-2011, 11:21 AM
Yeah, my Evie has 6 still. :sigh:

SozenCratosFocker
04-16-2011, 11:45 PM
So, for pallies, the grasp skill only activates some of the time? like randomly?

xJac
04-17-2011, 08:52 PM
It's weird, at lower dungeon I can shoot missiles all of the time, but not on the higher level dungeon.

So I say it's depending on chance.

Fir
04-19-2011, 01:16 AM
Do you know if transformation gives you any speed or anything of that sort? I find that you can heavy stander again VERY fast after you block a smash. You can do that too w/o trans but it seems slower so I'm not sure if it's just my imagination or what.

Andy-Buddy
04-19-2011, 02:44 AM
Do you know if transformation gives you any speed or anything of that sort? I find that you can heavy stander again VERY fast after you block a smash. You can do that too w/o trans but it seems slower so I'm not sure if it's just my imagination or what.

You are given a speed boost and a weapon length boost, but the exact timing is currently unknown.

(Especially since both the speed and timing are revamped in EP9/EP8.3?)

xJac
04-19-2011, 05:12 PM
I don't know, I will have to test this.

blahblahblahx
04-19-2011, 08:22 PM
LOL
If you use trans on the boat (and don't swap something on the equipped side of the inventory dialog), you won't be able to transform in the stage. Of course, you won't show up transformed either.

Besides... I accidentally drank my last SP potion recently. :fail:A little off topic, but SP pots very rarely drop from gauntlet sacks.

xJac
04-19-2011, 10:57 PM
Trans does not grant you attack speed bonus, tested with recording and going by frame by frame. THERE IS NO ATTACK SPEED BONUS FROM TRANS.

Erubus
04-24-2011, 12:54 AM
When do you get a point? So far im at 297 xp but no point.

Mikey
04-24-2011, 01:36 AM
When do you get a point? So far im at 297 xp but no point.

2,000
If you open up your transformation page, it should say something like Exp 297/2000 at the bottom left.

Erubus
04-24-2011, 02:11 AM
Oh ok, thanks

xJac
05-08-2011, 01:49 PM
Pretty much everybody know that trans got big changes in Korea, but since it's not here yet, I am not going to change any of the info.


But here's a video for show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE90QIgIJcU&feature=player_embedded

This is done by taking advantage of the pally skill Grace:Aura, which gives SP over time. (When maxed, it can give about 3~4 times full SP for one full trans)

TA
05-09-2011, 08:54 AM
I found a nice place to do your transformation every hour: Hidden!

Yeah, that's right. Hidden.

Not only do you get like 68k (with 3 or fewer / 70k with macha) exp every time, but it's a lot faster than Friends too. You just gotta know how to maximize your SP gain in the first room. If you know how, you can get a full bar every time.

For Scythe, you have to miss your swings up to your Invisible Loom and then connect the full Invisible Loom with as many mobs as possible. Rinse, repeat.

edit: hard macha:

http://xunrama.com/i/2011_05_09_0216.jpg

Mikey
05-09-2011, 09:30 AM
I found a nice place to do your transformation every hour: Hidden!

Yeah, that's right. Hidden.

Not only do you get like 68k (with 3 or fewer / 70k with macha) exp every time, but it's a lot faster than Friends too. You just gotta know how to maximize your SP gain in the first room. If you know how, you can get a full bar every time.

For Scythe, you have to miss your swings up to your Invisible Loom and then connect the full Invisible Loom with as many mobs as possible. Rinse, repeat.

edit: hard macha:

http://xunrama.com/i/2011_05_09_0216.jpg

Wouldn't Nightmare at the Ruins be better?
I solo it in just under 3 minutes every hour (with looting first stage). Gets me nice experience and a fair amount of profit!

TA
05-09-2011, 09:38 AM
Wouldn't Nightmare at the Ruins be better?
I solo it in just under 3 minutes every hour (with looting first stage). Gets me nice experience and a fair amount of profit!

Ohhhhh! I didn't think about that!

xJac
05-09-2011, 11:18 PM
Don't know about Nightmare at the Ruins... but Hidden is definitely a good way for higher levels (You do need to be very careful about sp gathering, since for Lann, normal attack doesn't give any sp at all.).

I don't think a lot people can solo hidden even with trans at lower level (44~50), since there's no defense bonus, and the only noob friendly way is spin/spam to win (spears and staff only).

Mikey
05-10-2011, 09:11 PM
Don't know about Nightmare at the Ruins... but Hidden is definitely a good way for higher levels (You do need to be very careful about sp gathering, since for Lann, normal attack doesn't give any sp at all.).

I don't think a lot people can solo hidden even with trans at lower level (44~50), since there's no defense bonus, and the only noob friendly way is spin/spam to win (spears and staff only).

I've been soloing Nightmare at the Ruins since maybe 45 (around the time transformation was released).
Gliding Fury gives a lot of SP. I can collect all my SP at stage one before Ailliagh even spawns. Then I transform as he spawns, spin2win him, and have time to loot. Then I go inside, and just spin to win forward. It usually pins both spiders against the wall and kills them before transformation runs out. Then I just use my mine bomb, loot the ores, loot any non- evilcore drops, and then get my 20 AP, 100 Transformation Experience, money and experience. It's fun and worth it. n.n
Since I leave for school at 7:10 AM, I usually do two between 6:55 and 7:05.

But yeah, spin2winning knocks them back so it makes it possible at low levels. Also leveling up the HP skill helps, too.

TLCBonaparte
05-11-2011, 12:33 PM
I need professional opinion. I like DK's damage boost but hate how DK looks... I want to know just how much better a scythe Evie get when paladin damg boost kick in.

TA
05-11-2011, 12:46 PM
I need professional opinion. I like DK's damage boost but hate how DK looks... I want to know just how much better a scythe Evie get when paladin damg boost kick in.

If you hate how DK looks, use Paladin. The defense will benefit a glass-cannon type character like Evie. There are also benefits to be had with the new skills pally will get. Some skill that gives some huge amount of SP over a period of time.

You aren't gonna go wrong either way. They're pretty evenly matched. Currently, the armor will benefit you more anyways with the damage cap. It is going to be uncapped, but then pallys will have that new skill. So, it doesn't really matter what you choose. Both are good. If you like how pally looks, go with that instead. That's my opinion.

xJac
05-11-2011, 01:18 PM
Go for pally if you don't like how DK looks. Currently, you can easily reach ATT cap even on later bosses, so DK doesn't give any more offense ability.

2nd stage, things are different, but Pally still have the awesome skill SP Aura, which can come in really handy when trying deal **** loads of damage on the boss.

Right now I am experiencing becoming super huge in trans, and a 10% slower attack speed when in trans. I want to know if anyone else is experiencing the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW4YKNuo9qQ

TLCBonaparte
05-11-2011, 02:05 PM
ok I am convinced. Going for Pally :D Maybe I will get DK on my fiona when she gets there.

Dukhan
09-06-2011, 10:31 PM
Easy way to get 100 trans exp:
Friends?
For Skill Path 1, you can just kill everything in the first map of a Battle. Found that out by accident while grinding Gnoll Chieftain titles. Zoned in and realized it was 3 minutes before the hour, so I transformed thinking I'd just take what points I could get. I killed everything using Ice Blast and Firebolt spam and it ended up being 100 points. I just clear the first room in Dethrone the White Tyrant, now, then take another few minutes and kill the bear for the 10 AP.

[edit]- Guess I should have mentioned, I was slow at getting to the Pact quests and took a long break from the game. My Evie is lvl 59, so the overkill is high.

xJac
09-07-2011, 06:04 PM
Yea.. haha, i need to update my guide, it's really outdated.

Since trans 1 doesn't require sp to use, you can basically max trans exp if you have killed 10+ mobs (monster hp + overkill both counts).

Zyrus
09-14-2011, 11:08 PM
I just got trans...how do I use trans skill points? I dont see where they can be used.

Conor
09-15-2011, 01:58 AM
I just got trans...how do I use trans skill points? I dont see where they can be used.

Trans EXP =/= Trans points
2,000 Trans EXP = 1 Trans Level = 1 Trans point.

Dukhan
09-15-2011, 04:05 AM
I just got trans...how do I use trans skill points? I dont see where they can be used.
Open the Character panel then click on the Path button. That opens the trans panel where you will see a tree of skills plus info on how much trans xp and skill points you have.

Timotei
09-18-2011, 03:33 AM
I just got trans...how do I use trans skill points? I dont see where they can be used.

Press C, click on Path Skills.

tai
10-18-2011, 02:15 PM
I remember seeing trans builds somewhere, but I can't remember where. Does anyone have these handy? It'd be great to have those edited in the OP too.

xJac
10-19-2011, 01:50 PM
Shh.... I am procrastinating, stop bumping this thread! D:

Timotei
10-19-2011, 08:08 PM
Procrastination

Fixed for you, hope you don't mind.

MareneCorp
10-19-2011, 08:10 PM
Transformation

xJac
10-19-2011, 10:31 PM
lol, i updated paladin's part, now to dk's .....


Gota finish my lab report first > >

Basdeth
10-24-2011, 02:42 PM
Oooh, I did not know that killing monsters after killing the boss does not give trans exp. Handy! Thank you! :) I don't like being in trans, so now I can cancel the trans as soon as the cut scene ends without worrying about losing out on exp! (not going to worry about specially killing trash mobs before killing bosses for trans exp, not worth it to me >//<;)

TLCBonaparte
10-31-2011, 04:30 PM
Question: How many points can you put into a trans path? I mean can I put points in every single skill or do I have to pick? And if I have to pick, what's the number of points I can spend on each path?

whocares8128
11-01-2011, 01:28 PM
You have to pick.

Currently, the cap is 40 points to spend total. Previously, it was 20 points. Presumably, the cap will be raised again, but there will also be new things to spend points on. However, Nexon will likely reset your point distribution, as they did when 2nd Transformation came out.

TLCBonaparte
11-01-2011, 02:01 PM
You have to pick.

Currently, the cap is 40 points to spend total. Previously, it was 20 points. Presumably, the cap will be raised again, but there will also be new things to spend points on. However, Nexon will likely reset your point distribution, as they did when 2nd Transformation came out.

So I guess 20 points for each path then? ok I can work with that.

whocares8128
11-01-2011, 05:56 PM
If you want you can put more than 20 points in the first path, but you have to spend 20 before you can put any into the second transformation's benefits.

TLCBonaparte
11-01-2011, 10:35 PM
If you want you can put more than 20 points in the first path, but you have to spend 20 before you can put any into the second transformation's benefits.

Good to know. I need to check second trans more carefully. If there's nothing I want, then sure 20+ on path 1 might work out better.

whocares8128
11-02-2011, 02:46 PM
One thing worth pointing out (in case it isn't obvious)...
The bonuses you get from the first path always apply during the transformation, whether in stage 1 or 2. The second path skills and abilities only apply while you're in stage 2.

TLCBonaparte
11-02-2011, 03:50 PM
One thing worth pointing out (in case it isn't obvious)...
The bonuses you get from the first path always apply during the transformation, whether in stage 1 or 2. The second path skills and abilities only apply while you're in stage 2.

k ty.

xJac
11-03-2011, 10:22 PM
Most likely 2nd trans bonus will look better, and you will have trouble trying to squeeze in as much points into 2nd trans.

Try to aim for 2nd trans bonus first, or plan out how you are going to add all the points, since most likely you will be spending some points in 1st at higher level, because you don't have enough points invested to unlock better ones.

I will try to update dk part, and rest of the guide soon.

TLCBonaparte
11-03-2011, 10:37 PM
Most likely 2nd trans bonus will look better, and you will have trouble trying to squeeze in as much points into 2nd trans.

Try to aim for 2nd trans bonus first, or plan out how you are going to add all the points, since most likely you will be spending some points in 1st at higher level, because you don't have enough points invested to unlock better ones.

I will try to update dk part, and rest of the guide soon.

I am pally actually :D So, I can get the infos I want from your threat right now.

TLCBonaparte
11-04-2011, 01:02 AM
Question: does Grace Aura stack? Can two paladins trans together double the SP gaining effect?

SozenCratosFocker
11-04-2011, 09:36 AM
You know, there's an edit button.


And no, when there are 2 ppl using the same kind of trans aura, they don't stack. Pally aura will stack with DK aura though.

TLCBonaparte
11-04-2011, 11:10 AM
You know, there's an edit button.


And no, when there are 2 ppl using the same kind of trans aura, they don't stack. Pally aura will stack with DK aura though.


Guess there really is no point in invest in aura then. Unless they buff it of course.

sakraycore
11-12-2011, 10:52 PM
lol, what are you gonna spend it on. the grace aura is pretty much must-max for pally

caskachan
01-21-2012, 06:34 AM
Hello i came here brought by google and days of looking for information about DK's Steal Skill and i have discovered a hidden bonus(perhaps you all know about ti but i did not find a mention of it anywhere on the internet)

The DK steal skill at level one, and in trans 1 will grant you +160 Mattk per point invested in "Potential" at the moment you cast a smash, then on the second trans every point you have invested in "Destiny" will grant +240 mattk upon casting your first smash on the second trans for a total of +1200 Mttk bonus, plus 3-4 mttk per smash regardless of enemy hp

I found this out, because i had never invested in Steal, and by level 35 i had no other skill to invest other than steal, and when i got it, i had a flat 480 mttk increase whenever i did 1st trans cast my first smash (already had 3 points in potential). then after when i leveled destiny, each point gave me exactly +240 mattk

I tested this with Shakarr on normal and hard (its not enemy hp dependant) and then with Red spider in normal hard and hero, i always had the same increase, i did vary my int with items during my testing and the damage bonus was flat a consistent , i did not test with a different weapon (+10 dw)

just wanted to let you know about it, i will try to conduct more science ;D i am a Staff evie BTW!

:D

edit: While doing this i reach a total of 23,000 Mtk and given the Rg formulas, i am supposed to hit for 12,800 per rg (it does not crit) and sure enough during various test on normal hiden ive done overkills of 12500 to it o.o

edit2: out of boredom i wanted to verify the damage formula for RG , and i fought chief information kalis on hard

http://vindictusdb.com/monster?i=75

vindictusdb lists his hp as 8050, and i know hard mode is "normal" hp,

i gathered exactly 10578 Mattk, fiddling with items, the formula says my rg would be

((10578+10500) * 1/3) * (1.15) (maxed skill at 15%) = 8080 dmg

and sure enough the overkill was of 31 points LOL