G14 was really easy.

[Oizen]

._.

I finished G14 in about 3 hours.

Never fought a mob lager then 4 monsters, and the Boss never attacked me once.

[Intimacy]

only hard part was hardmode romeo missions

[EndlessDreams]

only hard part was hardmode romeo missions

Same, I only had trouble with Romeo RPs because Romeo is such a cripple.

[Kingofrunes]

I think we can all agree that G14 was pretty easy save for Romeo because Romeo is the suxors. He needs more lessons from Hamlet obviously. (G14 Credit Outtakes were win btw)

[Kenero]

I think we can all agree that G14 was pretty easy save for Romeo because Romeo is the suxors. He needs more lessons from Hamlet obviously. (G14 Credit Outtakes were win btw)

Hamlet at least had magic, healing and firebolt. Romeo fails. No magic... would have been useful vs. skeletons.

Not only he did not have any magic, but he also had an inadequate supply of potions, unprepared compared to Hamlet.

[Cathaoir]

Never fought a mob lager then 4 monsters

I really must be doing something wrong.

[Almah]

I really must be doing something wrong.

Me too....

[Kingofrunes]

Did ya two try picking all 5 herbs first?

I hear that you have to pick the patch completely dry (which is 5) for them to quit spawning.

Having a pet out for aggro management is also a good idea. Just have pet out and set to magic counter ai or something when you go in.

[Almah]

Did ya two try picking all 5 herbs first?

I hear that you have to pick the patch completely dry (which is 5) for them to quit spawning.

Having a pet out for aggro management is also a good idea. Just have pet out and set to magic counter ai or something when you go in.

No I didn't try that. I'll try it though, I gave up last night, so I'll try that later today. Thanks for the tip!

[ＣＩＲＮＯ]

G14 is cake.

[Cathaoir]

Did ya two try picking all 5 herbs first?

I hear that you have to pick the patch completely dry (which is 5) for them to quit spawning.

Having a pet out for aggro management is also a good idea. Just have pet out and set to magic counter ai or something when you go in.

Yep did that.

Finally beat it, ended up wm spamming rather than using smash to take down as much hp as possible from the mobs. Then proceeded to smash-mill the remaining two mobs after 2 mobs were killed from wm. Took forever, but only had to kill 4 mobs.

[Hanna]

Same, I only had trouble with Romeo RPs because Romeo is such a cripple.

this and that f*cking panther
other than that g14 was no harder than g13

and bran was a pushover >_>

[Cathaoir]

and bran was a pushover >_>

This. The only thing that hit me was his shockwave thing, and that only pushed me back, dealing like 50 damage to my mp. Then I kept mag spamming him.

[Sinned]

Unnerfed Bran would've been fun but Romeo RP and Leopards were the most frustrating
Those two parts were the most terrible, especially when I thought Tybalt was learning from me and did a N+WM crit on me D<

If I'm going to suffer unnessarily in hard mode Romeo RP where romeo does 300dmg and everything else has 3k HP, at least let me take out my angry on something dangerous with my own character :v

[Zeo]

I only got lucky with Romeo vs. Tybalt RP, because Tybalt lagged the whole time so I just smashed him to death.

But trust me.. you'll hate the RPs if it's not laggy.

[Richard]

Can someone walk me through the final stage mission?

[truefire]

Can someone walk me through the final stage mission?

Start the fight with a smash, prep Windmill or Counter. Keep using things to knock Paris back until you can Windmill him into a wall, proceed to Smashmill. If you knock him back with a non-Windmill move and he preps a skill, use Counter just in case the skill he preps is Windmill. You have plenty of potions to deal with error. You can also just wait him out with Counterattack, but this takes much longer. It's also possible to summon a pet before entering the mission (preferably a tiger or fire horse) and use their abilities to battle him instead (ie. Ice Counter). Once he's defeated, it's time for Bran.

Pop trans and Mana Shield if you have them, have plenty of potions ready if you don't, and just smash fest him. Shockwave does minor damage and knocks back. Do not be in front of him if he chooses to Charge (very lengthy telegraph so you should be able to move out the way in time). The only dangerous thing that can catch you off guard is his Strong Arm (hits hard, very specific range in front of him, leaves you stunned for a few seconds if hit). This assumes you're ranged, though. Archers can likely Magnum spam him; Mages can either CC+4 Firebolt him, Hailstorm him, or Thunder him (charge count dependent on how much time he gives you to charge it). He is VEEEEEERY slow, taking forever to lumber after you. At a distance, you only have to worry about his Charge if you're in front of him or his Shockwave if you're in range of it. The Shockwave does more damage the closer you are, though, but even at point blank it's manageable.

Also, if you have a decent-ranked Awakening of Light (no other Demi skills needed) and Mana Shield, this fight is significantly trivialized. Seriously, do not waste a Spear of God on him. This advice taken from a melee character on HM with maybe 280 max damage while Trans'd.

[Richard]

Thank you! :)

[Oizen]

Romeo's RP wasn't hard at all.

Smashmill owned everything in there ._.

also if you swap his weapons, you can teach him sword mastery

and I ranked Combat Mastery through out fighting with him.

[truefire]

Romeo's RP wasn't hard at all.

Smashmill owned everything in there ._.

also if you swap his weapons, you can teach him sword mastery

and I ranked Combat Mastery through out fighting with him.

^This. Tried and true since G13. Including pre-G13 RPs (such as Voight).

[Wolfo]

Smashmilled through the Romeo missions. Easy as pie.

[Cuathal]

How the hell do you guys do that?! Seriously, even on Basic, the very first Act (after the intro sequence), if I even let one Montague die, then I consider it a failure (since only 3 of them need to die for a failure). Their AI is crap, the enemy faction clearly has the better weaponry - it's like G13's "Protect the Citizens" all over again, but the numbers are smaller and failing is much easier (especially since the enemy family hits for about 21-27 consistently while my side hits for crap).

[Xemnas]

How the hell do you guys do that?! Seriously, even on Basic, the very first Act (after the intro sequence), if I even let one Montague die, then I consider it a failure (since only 3 of them need to die for a failure). Their AI is crap, the enemy faction clearly has the better weaponry - it's like G13's "Protect the Citizens" all over again, but the numbers are smaller and failing is much easier (especially since the enemy family hits for about 21-27 consistently while my side hits for crap).

the sides are exactly the same, and you switch after about 10-11 minutes and protect the other/fight the other.

[Oizen]

the sides are exactly the same, and you switch after about 10-11 minutes and protect the other/fight the other.

I don't think you even need to do anything. ._.

[Xemnas]

I don't think you even need to do anything. ._.

not on adv-HM but on basic-int theyre too weak to tank.

[Cathaoir]

I don't think you even need to do anything. ._.

All you really need to do is kill 1-2 of them and then afk in a corner. But then again, it's a good chance for an unlimited source of kills for homestead stones.

[ihateyou2]

G14 was just as easy at G13, had absolutely no problem for Intermediate and got everything done within 2-3 hours tops.

[Sinned]

I need help with 1.1 too on basic :V

Since this is the easy thread, B>tips
I've done it only twice on basic (thanks to spawn lag which is never around when I need it anymore >_>) and I need to do it many more

NPCs you have to defend - 150ish HP
Damage they take per hit - 1 to 30 Damage
Time to defend for - 23minutes.

Basic mode is hell.

[Cathaoir]

G14 was just as easy at G13, had absolutely no problem for Intermediate and got everything done within 2-3 hours tops.

To be honest, int would probably be the easiest of all difficulties. Act 1 Scene 1 mobs would have enough hp to survive, and Romeo is OP in lower difficulties.

[Cuathal]

So the impression I've got from the Generation progress as of the Shakespeare arc is this: You do G13 when you're a newbie, to get you used to the Generation style quests (it also semi-serves as training for the Alchemist arc, since you cannot rez on spot in SMs, and they remove the protection of keeping blessings and items and whatnot). Then a little later, when you have a bit of the Alchemist arc done (and you've passed the point where you've hardened out a skillbuild to not need Duncan's free resets), you then return to Avon and deal with the next Gen in the Shakespeare Arc - G14. My guess is that G15 will have those newbies doing it at Adv, with G16 being the hardest of the Arc (G1~3 was hard the whole way without concise planning - G2 needing some good confidence fighting by yourself; G8 could be said to be ridiculously hard, regardless of total).

My guess is that this particular saga is showing newbies the rise in difficulty, and that they won't stay new forever.

[Xemnas]

So the impression I've got from the Generation progress as of the Shakespeare arc is this: You do G13 when you're a newbie, to get you used to the Generation style quests (it also semi-serves as training for the Alchemist arc, since you cannot rez on spot in SMs, and they remove the protection of keeping blessings and items and whatnot). Then a little later, when you have a bit of the Alchemist arc done (and you've passed the point where you've hardened out a skillbuild to not need Duncan's free resets), you then return to Avon and deal with the next Gen in the Shakespeare Arc - G14. My guess is that G15 will have those newbies doing it at Adv, with G16 being the hardest of the Arc (G1~3 was hard the whole way without concise planning - G2 needing some good confidence fighting by yourself; G8 could be said to be ridiculously hard, regardless of total).

My guess is that this particular saga is showing newbies the rise in difficulty, and that they won't stay new forever.

That's a good theory, until all said newbies get murdered from the panther/fail nonstop and quit at the romeo RPs.

[Cuathal]

That's a good theory, until all said newbies get murdered from the panther/fail nonstop and quit at the romeo RPs.

That's part of the whole "evolution process" from newbie to non-newbie. They learn to tough it out. Which is why I said that G15 will be when they need to step up to the plate and get better - or they're gonna fall hard.

In other words, the chasm between G14 and G15 will be a barrier between the weak and the strong. Those who care enough to want to surpass that chasm will make the change - in whatever way they can. Those who can't accept the changes will not be able to grow as players.

I'm not saying that it will ultimately shape their personalities (that is up to the player), but it will shape their skills into something formidable. So that everyone CAN pull their own weight in the game - regardless of help or not.

It's been said time and time again that Gear doesn't cover the void that skill fills. You can have all the best enchanted stuff in the game, and it won't be worth squat if you don't have the skill to use it.

[Rozel]

Somewhat off-topic and random, the day this came out for Mabinogi I was up with my aunt and she decided to watch Gnomeo and Juliet the very same day. (Knowing nothing about Mabinogi...) It made me Lol.

[Lyrveil]

That's part of the whole "evolution process" from newbie to non-newbie. They learn to tough it out. Which is why I said that G15 will be when they need to step up to the plate and get better - or they're gonna fall hard.

In other words, the chasm between G14 and G15 will be a barrier between the weak and the strong. Those who care enough to want to surpass that chasm will make the change - in whatever way they can. Those who can't accept the changes will not be able to grow as players.

I'm not saying that it will ultimately shape their personalities (that is up to the player), but it will shape their skills into something formidable. So that everyone CAN pull their own weight in the game - regardless of help or not.

It's been said time and time again that Gear doesn't cover the void that skill fills. You can have all the best enchanted stuff in the game, and it won't be worth squat if you don't have the skill to use it.

Interesting theory you have there. I'd be willing to agree with it, but I have to add something on your last sentence. You might have the best skill (as a player) but lag could still screw you over. Which is why I'm quite scared that what you said about generation 15 being the gap might be true. Generation 14 while quite easy got me killed so often because I'd lag and couldnt react.

[Cuathal]

Yet lag is something that a player really cannot control entirely (with in-game ordeals anyways, that's a real-life issue). So a player cannot be held accountable for death by lag, but what I said will most likely be true.

On a side note, G14 introduced some new hunting quests - I'd love to see them do some work on Tir to include some Ranged and Alchemy Tutorials - maybe have a non-Orange Newbie quest send em to Tir to talk with, oh I dunno, Dorren or Eabha? And maybe have Trefor or someone teach the basics of range? It would not only cover all four bases (as far as the destiny system goes), it does two other things:

1)Gives the newbie four free styles to try out whilst they're making their decision (during the transition from Basic to Int) on what style to focus on first.
2)Would officially COMPLETELY make humans a newbie friendly race (though it would strengthen that Berlin Wall, something I'm against)

[Meikeru]

So how hard is it to do g14 on a brand new character?

[Murasaki]

Boss was the easiest part for me.
Romeo vs Tybalt, on the other hand...
As an archer, I found Smashmill without Sharp Mind feeling significantly counter-intuitive. Eventually, I got it right, and he seemed to lag, because he stayed on the ground for 30 seconds before I realized he wasn't going to get up. I was almost too scared to hit him again, and indeed, he almost took me out near the end (again), so after getting him to around 5% I spammed Windmill because my life depended on being extremely paranoid. Beat him in 4 minutes.

For the mission that requires me to sneak around to the balcony, one of my guards would always go to the wall that's the easiest to sneak behind. Without fail, every time I entered that mission, he would be there. I got it eventually, by sneaking the long way, and running from my hiding place in the plants as quickly as possible.

Fun fun fun. Pretty nice exp though. >w>

[Kendoza]

Romeo...

I hate Romeo, he really needs to hit the gym and get some better skills :/

[Kenero]

Romeo...

I hate Romeo, he really needs to hit the gym and get some better skills :/

He just needs to learn Magic... Hamlet at least had firebolt.

Having even just Icebolt would make Romeo 10x easier. The man has a lot of mana that was unused during the whole RP!

[Meikeru]

Or mana shield.

[Kenero]

Or mana shield.

The skeletons hit so ridiculously high, mana shield may not be as effective as a magic bolt.

That, coupled that the skeletons apparently have r5+ windmill ranks... I was trolled by one who stayed in windmill for the longest time (literally I could watch a whole 30 minute episode tv show) and if I walk up to it with defense, it could crit wm me to deadly. I rather have a magic bolt to stun it and add more offense to my attacks, especially on a timed mission.

[truefire]

Or mana shield.

Going to have to agree with Kenero on this. Mana Shield seems like a good idea until whatever you were using it on crits you, while defending, with your trans on, into deadly. From full health. In fact, crits not required. With the exception of the Montague/Capulet servants and Bran, everything else in the mainstream can hit like a truck.

Romeo would likely also have rF Mana Shield and little to no int to strengthen it, making it only good for being slightly more reckless against Tybalt/Paris. Only slightly. And he'd have no MP pots.

[Fabian]

It was pretty easy.

But I got a question: Was everything an act? Was the Bran the only thing "real"? Basically the people in Avon hired people to play "Hamlet" and "Romeo and Juliet"?

Darn, I actually thought his plays became "real".

[Dracius]

It was pretty easy.

But I got a question: Was everything an act? Was the Bran the only thing "real"? Basically the people in Avon hired people to play "Hamlet" and "Romeo and Juliet"?

Darn, I actually thought his plays became "real".

Everything was an Act. The plays for Romeo & Juliet/Hamlet were never completed (Or they were, but they were destroyed and lost through time), and once they were completed, the Guardian came and attempted to destroy it again.

[Okami]

I thought it was pretty easy too. I only had trouble with the last Romeo RP, but I managed to do that in 2-3 tries.

[Dracius]

Hating the first mission.

[Taycat]

It was pretty easy.

But I got a question: Was everything an act? Was the Bran the only thing "real"? Basically the people in Avon hired people to play "Hamlet" and "Romeo and Juliet"?

Darn, I actually thought his plays became "real".

i'd like to say that all the actors are actually spirits just as you are a spirit of somebody else. thus they don't truly die...or they are the other people that were thrust into avon like you but had no way to get out so they chose the death, in case of romeo, hamlet and juliet, so they could finally escape.

[Dracius]

i'd like to say that all the actors are actually spirits just as you are a spirit of somebody else. thus they don't truly die...or they are the other people that were thrust into avon like you but had no way to get out so they chose the death, in case of romeo, hamlet and juliet, so they could finally escape.

Some kind of tame Fomor?

[Taycat]

Some kind of tame Fomor?

-shrug-

could be.

[Kenero]

Aren't the actors just lesser gods themselves?

[Taycat]

Aren't the actors just lesser gods themselves?

that's what i was trying to get at.

[Perfectio]

So how hard is it to do g14 on a brand new character?

I have NOT tested this, but if you're willing to grind a bit for mats, a fresh newbie char can hit R5 Summon Golem in a couple of days, then throw out Forest Golems to overkill the basic Skeleton mobs.

The RPs still might be hard though.