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BobYoMeowMeow
05-25-2010, 07:44 PM
Playing video games before bedtime may give people an unusual level of awareness and control in their dreams, LiveScience has learned.

That ability to shape the alternate reality of dream worlds might not match mind-bending Hollywood films such as "The Matrix," but it could provide an edge when fighting nightmares or even mental trauma.

Dreams and video games both represent alternate realities, according to Jayne Gackenbach, a psychologist at Grant MacEwan University in Canada. But she pointed out that dreams arise biologically from the human mind, while video games are technologically driven by computers and gaming consoles.

"If you're spending hours a day in a virtual reality, if nothing else it's practice," said Jayne Gackenbach, a psychologist at Grant MacEwan University in Canada. "Gamers are used to controlling their game environments, so that can translate into dreams."

Gackenbach first became interested in video games in the 1990s, when she watched her son repeatedly kiss a new Nintendo gaming console on the way home from a Toys "R" Us. She had previously focused on studying lucid dreams, in which people have awareness of being in a dream.

The last decade of game-related research has since yielded several surprises, although the findings represent suggestive associations rather than definitive proof, Gackenbach cautioned. She is scheduled to discuss her work as a featured speaker at the Sixth Annual Games for Health Conference in Boston this week.

What dreams may come

Several intriguing parallels between lucid dreams and video games first emerged when Gackenbach examined past research on games. Both lucid dreamers and gamers seemed to have better spatial skills and were less prone to motion sickness.

The two groups have also demonstrated a high level of focus or concentration, whether honed through lucidity-training activities, such as meditation, or through hours spent fighting virtual enemies to reach the next level in a game.

That encouraged Gackenbach to survey the dreams of both non-gamers and hardcore gamers, beginning with two studies published in 2006. She had prepared by conducting larger surveys in-class and online to get a sense of where to focus questions.

The first study suggested that people who frequently played video games were more likely to report lucid dreams, observer dreams where they viewed themselves from outside their bodies, and dream control that allowed people to actively influence or change their dream worlds - qualities suggestive of watching or controlling the action of a video-game character.

A second study tried to narrow down the uncertainties by examining dreams that participants experienced from the night before, and focused more on gamers. It found that lucid dreams were common, but that the gamers never had dream control over anything beyond their dream selves.

The gamers also frequently flipped between a first person view from within the body and a third person view of themselves from outside, except never with the calm detachment of a distant witness.

"The first time we simply asked people how often they had lucid dreams, looking back over their life and making judgment calls," Gackenbach told LiveScience. "That's open to all kinds of bias, [such as] certain memory biases, self-reported biases."

Gackenbach eventually replicated her findings about lucid dreaming and video games several times with college students as subjects, and refined her methods by controlling for factors such as frequency of recalling dreams.

Mastering the nightmare world

Finding awareness and some level of control in gamer dreams was one thing. But Gackenbach also wondered if video games affected nightmares, based on the "threat simulation" theory proposed by Finnish psychologist Antti Revonsuo.

Revonsuo suggested that dreams might mimic threatening situations from real life, except in the safe environment of dream world. Such nightmares would help organisms hone their avoidance skills in a protective environment, and ideally prepare organisms for a real-life situation.

To test that theory, Gackenbach conducted a 2008 study with 35 males and 63 females, and used independent assessments that coded threat levels in after-dream reports. She found that gamers experienced less or even reversed threat simulation (in which the dreamer became the threatening presence), with fewer aggression dreams overall.

In other words, a scary nightmare scenario turned into something "fun" for a gamer.

"What happens with gamers is that something inexplicable happens," Gackenbach explained. "They don't run away, they turn and fight back. They're more aggressive than the norms."

Levels of aggression in gamer dreams also included hyper-violence not unlike that of an R-rated movie, as opposed to a non-gamer PG-13 dream.

"If you look at the actual overall amount of aggression, gamers have less aggression in dreams," Gackenbach said. "But when they're aggressive, oh boy, they go off the top."

No fear

The gamer dream experience of high aggression levels matched with little or no fear inspired Gackenbach to pursue a new study with Athabasca University in Canada. If gaming can act as a semi-protective function against nightmares, she reasoned, maybe it could help war veterans who experience post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) after enduring combat.

"I don't think anyone has looked at whether there's been a protective function," Gackenbach said. "It makes a lot of sense, but it's a hypothesis."

Psychologists consider nightmares as one of the symptoms of PTSD, and studies have shown incredibly high rates of nightmares ranging from 71 to 96 percent among PTSD patients. By contrast, just 3 to 5 percent of civilians reported the same levels of nightmares.

Virtual reality simulators have already been used to help PTSD patients gradually adjust to the threatening situations that plague their waking and sleeping thoughts. If Gackenbach's hunch is correct, perhaps video games could also help relieve the need for nightmares.

Finding the balance

Gackenbach hopes to someday get a sleep lab and perhaps a virtual reality lab to verify her results, even if studies about video games and dreams have not proven the highest priority for receiving funds. Yet studying video games has attracted more interest and respect from colleagues than studying just dreams alone, she has noticed.

Some of Gackenbach's latest work includes studying the violence levels in games, based upon the video game ratings given out by the Entertainment Software Rating Board, and seeing what effect they have upon aggression within dreams.

"I'm not saying [gamers] don't get more aggressive, not saying there's not more problems with addiction, and not saying there's not obesity issues," Gackenbach said. "As with everything else, there's a balance."

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The cat can somewhat controls his dream
like being in a zombie outbreak and making choices to survive

This means that you have control over your mind
what you can think even when unconscious.

Taycat
05-25-2010, 07:48 PM
I actually do.

To an extent.

Papaya Pok Pok
05-25-2010, 07:54 PM
Does this happens if you watch TV before you sleep? o_O

hengsheng120
05-25-2010, 07:56 PM
Jayne Gackenbach... I read her book, Psychology and the Internet: Intrapersonal, Interpersonal, and Transpersonal Implications. Tells you everything from why games are addicting to how a troll's mind works to why flamewars start to the psychology of future robots. It's very a interesting read.

Moppy
05-25-2010, 07:58 PM
I have quite a lot of control of my dreams when I do have dreams. In most cases, I can't remember my dreams at all.

Chockeh
05-25-2010, 07:59 PM
How many of you have the power to go all the way, before waking up?
I sure as hell do not.

Sleeperdial
05-25-2010, 08:05 PM
This is basically lucid dreaming, its not wierd new age **** either.
http://www.mabiguru.com/forums/everything-else/31545-want-dream-while-your-awake.html

BobYoMeowMeow
05-25-2010, 08:10 PM
How many of you have the power to go all the way, before waking up?
I sure as hell do not.

dreams aren't supposed to have endings.

Lan
05-25-2010, 08:17 PM
Doesn't anyone have the power to dismember werewolves in dreams?

Don't you hate it when you're in too much control of your dream so you wake up? Now I just go with the flow ^_^

Sleeperdial
05-25-2010, 08:46 PM
Am I the only one who can't control dreams :T_T:

Science
05-25-2010, 08:50 PM
I can't really control my dreams, but my dreams are freakishly based on school life and my friends, but it's basically just messing around in the hallways rather than actual schtuff. And they usually are not bad...Like I don't wanna shoot myself with a nerf gun in the morning, gee.

Sleeperdial
05-25-2010, 08:55 PM
I'm doing all this work to turn my dreams into a real life gmod and I find out people can do it anyway.

Swordslayer
05-25-2010, 08:59 PM
I had one ending before... it was really sad, all the characters in my dream were saying goodbye to me, telling me that I'll never see them again as I started to wake up....

I feel really depressed now =[

Osayidan
05-25-2010, 09:00 PM
I either never have dreams or can not remember them. I've had so few dreams I could remember in detail that I could count them on my fingers going back to preschool.

Chockeh
05-25-2010, 09:06 PM
I remember one where the gorilla from beasties was trying to kill me. Only other monster I had nightmares about was the clown from Twisted Metal.

Sleeperdial
05-25-2010, 09:08 PM
There seems to be an eerie connection, people who can control their dreams never remember them and people who can't control them can remember their dreams.

Nakishu
05-25-2010, 09:09 PM
Heh, I can't control my dreams most of the time.

Osayidan
05-25-2010, 09:13 PM
There seems to be an eerie connection, people who can control their dreams never remember them and people who can't control them can remember their dreams.
If I can control them, then I don't remember ever doing it.

The only really odd thing is most of the dreams I do remember are too inappropriate for this forum. Maybe that's the reason I remember them D:

Chockeh
05-25-2010, 09:16 PM
Do you guys get the feeling that when something happens, you had a feeling you dreamed about it before an event actually happens?

BobYoMeowMeow
05-25-2010, 09:16 PM
If I can control them, then I don't remember ever doing it.

The only really odd thing is most of the dreams I do remember are too inappropriate for this forum. Maybe that's the reason I remember them D:

Osayidan has the mind of a serial killer? owo

Osayidan
05-25-2010, 09:18 PM
Do you guys get the feeling that when something happens, you had a feeling you dreamed about it before an event actually happens?
Not that I dreamed it, but that it actually happened. Sometimes I'm totally convinced of it, and stuff will be freakishly accurate D: Like I'll know where something is even if I shouldn't.


Osayidan has the mind of a serial killer? owo

Probably D: I do eat lots of cereal.

Science
05-25-2010, 09:26 PM
He has the mind of a boy enduring puberty ;D~~

Baku
05-25-2010, 09:31 PM
I either never have dreams or can not remember them. I've had so few dreams I could remember in detail that I could count them on my fingers going back to preschool.
Everyone dreams, every night. Unless you sleep less than 3-4 hours. (depends on person, some start REM sleep pretty damn quick.)
Even if you slept so little, you might still have a non-REM dream.
You just don't remember them.


There seems to be an eerie connection, people who can control their dreams never remember them and people who can't control them can remember their dreams.
Nah, plenty of people can control and remember. You need a decent Dream Recall to remember a Lucid Dream, they are easier to remember than regular dreams, because of awareness.
And people who can't control their dreams, can learn to.
_

Also, like Sleeperdial said, Lucid Dreaming (controlling your dreams) isn't anything new.
I'm a Lucid Dreamer, and it doesn't seem like gaming helped with it, just plenty of dedication - Or maybe Video Games actually helped me with it , I just don't know it o3o.

I can remember about 8 dreams every night, and Lucid Dream about twice a week. Current goal is to LD every night D:
Since we are on this topic, I actually recommend trying LDing to everyone, is amazing, or atleast improving dream recall. And since we spend a third of our life sleeping, why not try to make the most of it.

Also, there's a difference between being aware you are dreaming, and having control over it. For example, lot of natural Lucid Dreamers, are aware that they dream most of the time, but since they don't know the power that gives them over them, they don't control it; which is the fun part of LDing.

Chockeh
05-25-2010, 09:34 PM
Everyone dreams, every night. Unless you sleep less than 3-4 hours. (depends on person, some start REM sleep pretty damn quick.)
Even if you slept so little, you might still have a non-REM dream.
You just don't remember them.


Nah, plenty of people can control and remember. You need a decent Dream Recall to remember a Lucid Dream, they are easier to remember than regular dreams, because of awareness.
And people who can't control their dreams, can learn to.
_

Also, like Sleeperdial said, Lucid Dreaming (controlling your dreams) isn't anything new.
I'm a Lucid Dreamer, and it doesn't seem like gaming helped with it, just plenty of dedication - Or maybe Video Games actually helped me with it , I just don't know it o3o.

I can remember about 8 dreams every night, and Lucid Dream about twice a week. Current goal is to LD every night D:
Since we are on this topic, I actually recommend trying LDing to everyone, is amazing, or atleast improving dream recall. And since we spend a third of our life sleeping, why not try to make the most of it.

Also, there's a difference between being aware you are dreaming, and having control over it. For example, lot of natural Lucid Dreamers, are aware that they dream most of the time, but since they don't know the power that gives them over them, they don't control it; which is the fun part of LDing.Omg, if I could study while in my dream, that would be amazing.

Baku
05-25-2010, 09:45 PM
If the knowledge you have to study it's not in your head then you won't be able to study it in your dream =P

And besides, reading in a dream is known to be pretty damn hard. And is used as a Dream Sign by many LDers. (Look at some words, look away, look again. Most of the time it says something different = you are dreaming.)

Osayidan
05-25-2010, 09:51 PM
Omg, if I could study while in my dream, that would be amazing.

I do that with meditation rather than sleep. I can program or plan something in my mind as if I was doing it for real, then go and do it, and it usually works.


I tried the lucid dreaming thing a few years ago. The first step every 'guide' or source of info on it tells us to do is to improve dream recall by keeping notes of all the dreams we can remember as soon as we wake up. I tried this for 2 weeks, kept a paper and pen near my bed.

2 problems occured. First, unlike most people who were talking about it at the time, I never woke up in the middle of the night from a dream. Second, in the morning no matter how hard I tried, it was just a blank. All I could remember was going to bed. I tried that trick where you don't get up right away but stay half asleep and try to think about your dream, but that didn't work either.

So I gave up and have been sleeping dreamless, or at least entirely unaware of any dreams, for pretty much all of my life.

Baku
05-25-2010, 09:56 PM
That sucks Os D: I think dreams are amazing, and it's very much worth trying to improve dream recall. I used to remember 1 dream every night if I was lucky, but after months of practice I remember 6 to 8 every night.
And it's all about dedication, because the more you try the more your subconscious will process all of this.

For dream recalling it's good to use mantras before going to sleep, repeating to one-self that you are going to wake up after every dream, and remember it; this has helped me a lot. Also, thinking about what you did that day before going to sleep, helps on dream recall.
Some people keep wake journals to improve Dream Recall, I just think about what I did. And dream journals help tons.

Lan
05-25-2010, 10:37 PM
I forget my dreams 5 minutes or so after I wake up, unless it has zombies <3

Forsaken
05-25-2010, 10:44 PM
This information is old..

It was found ~5 years ago during a clinical insomnia study, where one of the control groups that played video games was able to process the game into their dream, or relive the game sequence, and change outcomes.


Everyone dreams, every night. Unless you sleep less than 3-4 hours. (depends on person, some start REM sleep pretty damn quick.)
Even if you slept so little, you might still have a non-REM dream.
You just don't remember them.


I have a condition where I don't dream, or I rarely dream. More often than not I am thinking (I've been in studies for it, as they found it while I was in a clinical insomnia study), and I will wake nearly instantly from REM.

Tedio
05-25-2010, 10:49 PM
everything really affects my dreams...

I once dreamed about a person with the Comedy CH on. when I heard her say a joke that I already heard:

I laughed, then woke up.

Taycat
05-26-2010, 01:52 AM
From studies, I always get to sleep too fast.

I dream a lot, as they told me, and my brain is VERY active while I sleep.

Yogurticecream
05-26-2010, 01:56 AM
I can control my dreams...only in the last few minutes before it's about to end and I awake from slumberland.
But I don't dream much these days...probably because of my sleeping pattern problems.

starpaw7
05-26-2010, 10:49 AM
Do you guys get the feeling that when something happens, you had a feeling you dreamed about it before an event actually happens?

Very often :scare:

If I retold my dreams, anyone else would say they make no sense, but strangely it does to me :what:

Not that they have things that happened in only my life, but I have a feeling that tells me that all of it makes perfect sense

Imagine me being the residents of Wonderland, and everyone with common sense (Alice) would even be confused of the answers to her questions that is given @_@

Liraiyu
05-26-2010, 06:24 PM
I don't dream. ;-;