Why Bunshin should not be released, my argument.

[Nohowcold]

Rather than use my words, I have recorded a video in order to shine some light on this matter.
This video depicts me using the Berserk Golem glitch to solo Shadow Wizard Elite.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ZUheVJ1f8



Berserk Golem Skill Data-
The skill's damage is based on base damage. Golem's base damage is very high. Monster protection had no effect on the skill.
The skill has no cooldown or cost of any kind (only on golems). Humans have a long cooldown.( No -10% HP like WM )
The skill load time is instant.
The skill's damage comes from an explosion triggered by canceling the skill.
The skill has a high AoE and stuns mobs very heavily.
The skill's critical hit rate is not based on protection.


Similarities to Bunshin:
Bunshin's damage is based on skill rank and stamina. Monster protection has no effect on the damage.
Because of the canceling glitch that allows you not to use "souls" when using Bunshin, and cypress items negating the high stamina cost, Bunshin does not have any costs or cooldowns of any kind.
The skill load time is a few seconds, but because of your clones stalling the mob already, this is trivial. You will be able to use it as often as you like.
The skill's damage comes from clones that can reach a large radius.
The skill has a high AoE ( you can teleport to the target ) and stuns the mob for enough time for you to reload the skill.
The skill's critical hit rate is not based on protection.

Do you really want something almost as powerful as Berserk Golem to be usable by anyone? If this skill is allowed into the game, it will be the only thing anyone is using at all. Anyone at level 300-ish with r1 Bunshin and 2 cypress items will be just as good as even 4k+ players like myself. Why would anyone want this skill implemented? We all know nexon will not fix the bug, they are idiots. The reason I argue against this skill is not because it is a Narutard thing, it is because it is ridiculously overpowered. Please vote against it right now.

[Aubog007]

The stamina taken for the cost of Bunshin is calculated into the damage bunshin does.

The more stamina taken, the more damage done.

on tarlach we have some JP people, I can pull up the damage formula later if you wish?


So cypress has an effect of lowering damage output.

Also a very poor multi aggro skill.

[ShadowFox31]

Rather than use my words, I have recorded a video in order to shine some light on this matter.
This video depicts me using the Berserk Golem glitch to solo Shadow Wizard Elite.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ZUheVJ1f8



Berserk Golem Skill Data-
The skill's damage is based on base damage. Golem's base damage is very high. Monster protection had no effect on the skill.
The skill has no cooldown or cost of any kind (only on golems). Humans have a long cooldown.( No -10% HP like WM )
The skill load time is instant.
The skill's damage comes from an explosion triggered by canceling the skill.
The skill has a high AoE and stuns mobs very heavily.
The skill's critical hit rate is not based on protection.


Similarities to Bunshin:
Bunshin's damage is based on skill rank and stamina. Monster protection has no effect on the damage.
Because of the canceling glitch that allows you not to use "souls" when using Bunshin, and cypress items negating the high stamina cost, Bunshin does not have any costs or cooldowns of any kind.
The skill load time is a few seconds, but because of your clones stalling mobs already, this is trivial. You will be able to use it as often as you like.
The skill's damage comes from clones that can reach a large radius.
The skill has a high AoE and stuns mobs.
The skill's critical hit rate is not based on protection.

Do you really want something almost as powerful as Berserk Golem to be usable by anyone? If this skill is allowed into the game, it will be the only thing anyone is using at all. Anyone at level 300-ish with r1 Bunshin and 2 cypress items will be just as good as even 4k+ players like myself. Why would anyone want this skill implemented? We all know nexon will not fix the bug, they are idiots. The reason I argue against this skill is not because it is a Narutard thing, it is because it is ridiculously overpowered. Please vote against it right now.

Please tell me how to do this, because I have the skill and I can't do anything like that. I can only target one monster, I can't reload it again, tell me how to glitch it, There is no splash damage.

I know I have only rE, but really. All I would EVER use it on is blinkers. Other then that, the only other use I see if random bunshin into smash.

[Aubog007]

Max damage for bunshin at rank 1 is.

200~300 + .07*max stamina*7.5.

Is what i am hearing.

Calculating mine into effect would be 500-600 damage output for my character.

[Nohowcold]

Simply cancel the skill after the clones have been generated and the clones will attack without taking any souls out of your count.
Switch to R weapon, load skill, use skill, cancel skill after clones have generated, switch to 2 Cypress Healers, Regain 240 stam, Switch to R weapon, Repeat.

[Nohowcold]

Max damage for bunshin at rank 1 is.

200~300 + .07*max stamina*7.5.

Is what i am hearing.

Calculating mine into effect would be 500-600 damage output for my character.

*6. ( not counting yourself into the 7 attacks ) = 3000-3600 damage.

[Maenad]

My argument is, the only way any enemy can possibly retaliate against Shadow Bunshin is to have Advanced heavy stander.
There's no skill involved, there's no different, more or less effective way to use it.

You load it, use it, and win.

[Aubog007]

*6. ( not counting yourself into the 7 attacks ) = 3000-3600 damage.

I know that.

Also master title adds 15% damage.



Also. Skill has 0 multi aggro capability.

Nerfed Golem's more useful than this in multi aggro.

You want broken? Try prenerfed golems with modded WM AI.

All i did was ride around on pets and use stone golems and all basic>inter dungeons/missions were done with 0 effort on my part.

Bunshin's far less broken than golems were. Hell even snow golems with modded AI still destroy defensive elite.


JP players says Bunshin is as broken as pets with poison.
Food4Thought.

Also bunshin gets damage reduction from protection and defense and heavy stander.

[Nohowcold]

and that damage is not even with R upgraded crits. How could anyone want this, seriously? Parties of people spamming this are going to make everything insanely easy and pointless. every other skill will be nearly useless.

[Armi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pOLOskkv2E

AHHHHhhhhh. my brain.

[Aubog007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pOLOskkv2E

AHHHHhhhhh. my brain.


Broken version. Which makes me wonder.

Do we even have bunshin in our data?

If not then i doubt they will give us the broken version in the first place.

[Ninjam]

I propose that no one be allowed to complain about skills until they have obtained them themselves.

Really, the only people who know how this thing will really work are people who have actually used them.

I know of this really op skill guys, it does 500% of your damage and always knocks back the target! Its op because enemies cant fight back unless they have a really high rank of heavy stander! It needs to be nerfed!

I cant take a side on this argument until i actually use the skill itself.

[ShadowFox31]

I'm sorry to break your dreams, but I'm pretty sure they removed the glitch, because I knew about it. I'm logging on RIGHT NOW to try it out again, but other then that, this skill ISNT OP. Congratulations, you can do 2k damage using one move. Guess what, I can do 2k damage as well, but with a smash attack.

[TheKartheus]

I'm sorry to break your dreams, but I'm pretty sure they removed the glitch, because I knew about it.

I doubt Nexon will bring it over here un-glitched, it's not like they do things intelligently.

[Wasbewwi]

Why create ANOTHER rage thread about this skill?

It's just an argument on a video on WHY or WHY NOT we should get it?

We should accept the fact that nexon is letting us decide.

I say stop QQ-raging and acknowledge the fact that it is another skill like the rest. Get it, rank it, use it and later it will be used in our daily lives and we'll talk about how it saved us from death.

[Kaeporo]

I'm sorry to break your dreams, but I'm pretty sure they removed the glitch, because I knew about it. I'm logging on RIGHT NOW to try it out again, but other then that, this skill ISNT OP. Congratulations, you can do 2k damage using one move. Guess what, I can do 2k damage as well, but with a smash attack.

You can potentially hit 3-5k per arrow using Arrow Revolver in G15.

http://files.sharenator.com/just_saiyan_RE_The_Off_topic_topic_post_2_Return_o f_Confusion-s360x328-164470.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/baluf.jpg

[Kingofrunes]

Wait wait.

From what I heard they had already fixed the cancelling glitch and made it so it couldn't hit blinkers.

Not going to bother reading the rest until I can get some confirmation on those two points.

[Zeo]

Wait wait.

From what I heard they had already fixed the cancelling glitch and made it so it couldn't hit blinkers.

Not going to bother reading the rest until I can get some confirmation on those two points.

They're confirmed too. You cannot hit the "flying" blinkers. They also fixed the cancelling glitch LONG time ago.

So yeah, you can't really spam it since each use will consume 5 souls. Plus, you don't get to keep the souls everytime you CC or log out.

[Phunkie]

I want this skill!

It's not OP at all.

[Zeo]

I want this skill!

It's not OP at all.

Welcome to the club, bro.

But yeah the skill isn't OP, since you'll eventually run out of the souls to use. Plus it's only useful for single mob, or boss. There's many other skills that is far more powerful than Bunshin skill.

[Rozel]

Welcome to the club, bro.

But yeah the skill isn't OP, since you'll eventually run out of the souls to use. Plus it's only useful for single mob, or boss. There's many other skills that is far more powerful than Bunshin skill.

-thumbs up- :3

[Aubog007]

I do like hearing other people's opinions and thoughts though on bunshin.

Personally i think it will be novelty. Like final hit.

[Maenad]

Welcome to the club, bro.

But yeah the skill isn't OP, since you'll eventually run out of the souls to use. Plus it's only useful for single mob, or boss. There's many other skills that is far more powerful than Bunshin skill.
Then why do you want it?

[MikeHo]

Then why do you want it?

Str per Ap ratio is really good.

Also i dont see the reasoning that a skill is Glitched/bugged/or exploitable to be reasoning not to release it because those things CAN be fixed.

If we go with that logic, that we should never releasing anything that is glitched/exploitable, nothing would ever get released.

I mean look at the hell it cause on other servers im pretty sure nexon at least knows about it already.

So there is no evidence that they will give us the bugged version. Most likely they will give us the version that has been fixed.

Bugged or not i still want it.

[TheKartheus]

Str per Ap ratio is really good.



Except Zeo is a magic using elf, so I'm still curious why he wants it so much.

[Maenad]

Str per Ap ratio is really good.

Also i dont see the reasoning that a skill is Glitched/bugged/or exploitable to be reasoning not to release it because those things CAN be fixed.

If we go with that logic, that we should never releasing anything that is glitched/exploitable, nothing would ever get released.

I mean look at the hell it cause on other servers im pretty sure nexon at least knows about it already.

So there is no evidence that they will give us the bugged version. Most likely they will give us the version that has been fixed.

Bugged or not i still want it.

Saying you want this skill so badly for 23 Str is a load of bull.
Carpentry gives almost twice as much Str for less AP.
Why do you want this skill so badly when Berserker gives more str, and will as well, and is so much better?

[MikeHo]

Saying you want this skill so badly for 23 Str is a load of bull.
Carpentry gives almost twice as much Str for less AP.
Why do you want this skill so badly when Berserker gives more str, and will as well, and is so much better?

the more str the better?

Who said i did not want the Berserker skill?

Ill take both shadow Bunshin and Berserker if they ever come out.

Also Carpentry for most people will be done eventually

So i say yay for more str! :hypno:

[Aubog007]

Saying you want this skill so badly for 23 Str is a load of bull.
Carpentry gives almost twice as much Str for less AP.
Why do you want this skill so badly when Berserker gives more str, and will as well, and is so much better?


Stamina + Strength for less work.

Running out of easy stamina/strength skills. And really dont feel like doing carpentry until the speed lumber axe upgrades are released.


Or enthralling/smithing. (Not doing smithing until i'm in the mood for it)

[Maenad]

the more str the better?

Who said i did not want the Berserker skill?

Ill take both shadow Bunshin and Berserker if they ever come out.

Also Carpentry for most people will be done eventually

So i say yay for more str! :hypno:

The point being, Bunshin doesn't even add 10 max damage. You put me under the impression that if you had to choose between Berserker and Bunshin, you'd pick Bunshin.

[Aubog007]

The point being, Bunshin doesn't even add 10 max damage. You put me under the impression that if you had to choose between Berserker and Bunshin, you'd pick Bunshin.


Don't know info about berserker. For all i know, stat bonuses will be changed.

[MikeHo]

The point being, Bunshin doesn't even add 10 max damage. You put me under the impression that if you had to choose between Berserker and Bunshin, you'd pick Bunshin.

There was never a mention of picking between the two. This topic is not even talking about choosing between the berserker skill and shadow bunshin.



I would like both.


Also 23 str is still a good amount

[Maenad]

Don't know info about berserker. For all i know, stat bonuses will be changed.
Wasn't talking to you.


There was never a mention of picking between the two. This topic is not even talking about the berserker skill so i do not see how what i post here has relevance to choosing between the beserker skill and the shadow Bunshin Skill.

I'd rather we get Berserker because it actually requires skill to execute.

[Aubog007]

Wasn't talking to you.



I'd rather we get Berserker because it actually requires skill to execute.

PM function for to talk to someone specifically.

Berserker isn't even fully implemented. How do you know what it needs to execute?
You don't.

Taking INCOMPLETE skill files and "judging" it doesn't even do it justice.

[Zeo]

Except Zeo is a magic using elf, so I'm still curious why he wants it so much.

I have some alchemy build, and slight melee build. I'd like to use it for some Str. It also doesn't cost so much AP to get Str as well.

Araria: Why do you not want Bunshin so much? I could ask you the same question.

[Vejosa]

If the move comes out lvl 1 elves can run around and fight things HEAD ON (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrriBr-46_I&feature=relmfu)!!!! believe it!

[Royale]

lets just pretend that this is the year 1492 and naruto has yet to be published, so we can look at this skill without it overshadowing our opinions:

"can't be used when equipped with a bow"

........nevermind its a useless skill:shoe:

[Maenad]

PM function for to talk to someone specifically.

Berserker isn't even fully implemented. How do you know what it needs to execute?
You don't.

Taking INCOMPLETE skill files and "judging" it doesn't even do it justice.
I got a pretty good idea of how Berserker works after watching a ton of people mod to be able to use it a while ago.


I have some alchemy build, and slight melee build. I'd like to use it for some Str. It also doesn't cost so much AP to get Str as well.

Araria: Why do you not want Bunshin so much? I could ask you the same question.

Because it requires no skill to execute.

[EndlessDreams]

What on earth is a Berserk golem glitch? If it is involving mods to allow you to use Berserk, why is that even a comparison to Bunshin? That is like trying to compare the old "god-shot" magnum to regular magnum.



Because it requires no skill to execute.

What kind of skill would take "skill" to execute then? Whatever "skill" is supposed to mean.

For most of the skills, all I do is just load the skill, click on any monster, and they just die. It isn't like I have to micromanage my character like a game of Starcraft.

[TheKartheus]

What on earth is a Berserk golem glitch? If it is involving mods to allow you to use Berserk, why is that even a comparison to Bunshin? That is like trying to compare the old "god-shot" magnum to regular magnum.


The point is that Bunshin is as game-breaking as the berserk glitch.

[iloveyou]

I got a pretty good idea of how Berserker works after watching a ton of people mod to be able to use it a while ago.
" Taking INCOMPLETE skill files and "judging" it doesn't even do it justice."

Because it requires no skill to execute.
You act like it take any skill to execute any skill in the game. Click that little button, click monster, watch it die, mmk?

^

[iloveyou]

The point is that Glitch Bunshin is as game-breaking as the berserk glitch.
fixed it for you.
Glitch-free bunshin in JP mabi work just fine bro.

[Natural Harmonia Gropius]

Because it requires no skill to execute.

this game requires skill? you must be playing a different game then, because last time i checked all you did was the same as any other generic game. press a button for a skill, click the enemy, ???, profit.

[Kaeporo]

this game requires skill? you must be playing a different game then, because last time i checked all you did was the same as any other generic game. press a button for a skill, click the enemy, ???, profit.

You've got to be trolling.
...
What exactly is the point of this thread? What are we even arguing about here?

1. New content is always a good thing, if that content does not overcentralize the metagame.
2. The patched version of the skill is balanced.
3. If you hate naruto, keep that stuff to yourself. "ie: I hate Pikachu. Lets remove Lightning Bolt and Thunder!"
4. The "Beserker" skill is completely irrelevent. It doesn't exist in any version of Mabinogi, excluding hacking scumbags who think the version they have mimicks the final skill. While we're at it, let's discuss dagger mastery.

[Maenad]

You've got to be trolling.
...
What exactly is the point of this thread? What are we even arguing about here?

1. New content is always a good thing, if that content does not overcentralize the metagame.
2. The patched version of the skill is balanced.
3. If you hate naruto, keep that stuff to yourself. "ie: I hate Pikachu. Lets remove Lightning Bolt and Thunder!"
4. The "Beserker" skill is completely irrelevent. It doesn't exist in any version of Mabinogi, excluding hacking scumbags who think the version they have mimicks the final skill. While we're at it, let's discuss dagger mastery.
Are you an idiot? Just because nothing can use something, doesn't mean it's incomplete. If it was incomplete, yet you could still use it, the channel would crash, like making a golem win the fashion contest.


this game requires skill? you must be playing a different game then, because last time i checked all you did was the same as any other generic game. press a button for a skill, click the enemy, ???, profit.

Aiming, combos, etc.

[EndlessDreams]

Are you an idiot? Just because nothing can use something, doesn't mean it's incomplete. If it was incomplete, yet you could still use it, the channel would crash, like making a golem win the fashion contest.


It isn't very fair to compare skills that a obtainable by hacks/modifications to skills that don't have such modifications.



Aiming, combos, etc.

Yea, just waiting for the number to go up for aiming takes so much skill. Just like hitting the same skill button for combos like mindless WM/Smash spam. Aiming in Mabinogi has more to do with luck than actual aiming. Vindictus throwing is actual aiming.

[Natural Harmonia Gropius]

Aiming, combos, etc.

true but compared to games that actually do revolve around having skill to play it, this is just a press a button and clicky clicky. also, you people raging about bunshin are talking about the GLITCHED bunshin, not the actual one. its either already fixed/gonna be fixed when we get it. that or the only reason your hating it is because it looks similar to something from naruto (though i can guarantee you that naruto copied it from somewhere else.)

[iloveyou]

People gotta realize Glitch Bunshin =/= Current Bunshin that JP has. THEY FIXED IT.

Hater gonna hate, Naruto still one of the most successful/popular/most view anime show whether you like it or not. If this skill will bring more new player into the game, that should be a good thing. God know some of you make "this game is dying" thread every week, this skill should help bringing new player in.

[Natural Harmonia Gropius]

If this skill will bring more new player into the game, that should be a good thing. God know some of you make "this game is dying" thread every week, this skill should help bringing new player in.

this, this, this. if this game got more attention, even from "narutards", it would probably get more money and maybe nexon would quit ignoring it like they seem to do. more people for shadow missions is always a + for me, as i only really use them to take aggro off me. if they die, that means i didnt and can take out enough stuff in that time to have no problem reviving them.

[Maenad]

It isn't very fair to compare skills that a obtainable by hacks/modifications to skills that don't have such modifications.



Yea, just waiting for the number to go up for aiming takes so much skill. Just like hitting the same skill button for combos like mindless WM/Smash spam. Aiming in Mabinogi has more to do with luck than actual aiming. Vindictus throwing is actual aiming.

Aiming as in lining up enemies for ice spear, or picking the center enemy to launch fireball, or smashing an enemy into a crowd of enemies so you can follow up with Assault Slash and then windmill, etcetera

[ikotomi]

Hater gonna hate, Naruto still one of the most successful/popular/most view anime show whether you like it or not. If this skill will bring more new player into the game, that should be a good thing. God know some of you make "this game is dying" thread every week, this skill should help bringing new player in.

I really doubt that the effect of some skill added in some unknown game is going to be significant. If shadow cloning is the only reason why you're starting mabi, you'll probably first find out you don't start with the skill, die to a wolf, and quit forever.

[Cynic]

People gotta realize Glitch Bunshin =/= Current Bunshin that JP has. THEY FIXED IT.

Hater gonna hate, Naruto still one of the most successful/popular/most view anime show whether you like it or not. If this skill will bring more new player into the game, that should be a good thing. God know some of you make "this game is dying" thread every week, this skill should help bringing new player in.

I'm beginning to think most people just want to complain. The Mabinogi community is full of whiners.

[meren]

The cancelling glitch was already fixed since day 1 (TW server), and no, this skill is not game breaking at all. =\

[Syrion]

except for damage calculations, bunshin is nothing like berserk golem

which is a spammable AOE skill, with 0 theoretical activation/cd thats currently obtained from abusing the coding of the game

it just looks like your showing off your modifications and wiz elite solo lol

[Fabian]

Rather than use my words, I have recorded a video in order to shine some light on this matter.
This video depicts me using the Berserk Golem glitch to solo Shadow Wizard Elite.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ZUheVJ1f8




Berserk Golem Skill Data-
The skill's damage is based on base damage. Golem's base damage is very high. Monster protection had no effect on the skill.
The skill has no cooldown or cost of any kind (only on golems). Humans have a long cooldown.( No -10% HP like WM )
The skill load time is instant.
The skill's damage comes from an explosion triggered by canceling the skill.
The skill has a high AoE and stuns mobs very heavily.
The skill's critical hit rate is not based on protection.


Similarities to Bunshin:
Bunshin's damage is based on skill rank and stamina. Monster protection has no effect on the damage.
Because of the canceling glitch that allows you not to use "souls" when using Bunshin, and cypress items negating the high stamina cost, Bunshin does not have any costs or cooldowns of any kind.
The skill load time is a few seconds, but because of your clones stalling the mob already, this is trivial. You will be able to use it as often as you like.
The skill's damage comes from clones that can reach a large radius.
The skill has a high AoE ( you can teleport to the target ) and stuns the mob for enough time for you to reload the skill.
The skill's critical hit rate is not based on protection.

Do you really want something almost as powerful as Berserk Golem to be usable by anyone? If this skill is allowed into the game, it will be the only thing anyone is using at all. Anyone at level 300-ish with r1 Bunshin and 2 cypress items will be just as good as even 4k+ players like myself. Why would anyone want this skill implemented? We all know nexon will not fix the bug, they are idiots. The reason I argue against this skill is not because it is a Narutard thing, it is because it is ridiculously overpowered. Please vote against it right now.



Am I the only one who sees someone abusing the game through hacking? O.o

On another note, Shadow Bunshin will be available to everyone, unlike Berserker which is only available to hackers/modders/glitchers/trash.

[Jahrakal]

just LOL...

Nice job d00k

[Legault]

If anyone looked closely at the person's levels, He leveled from 34 to 56 easily in a Solo Elite Missions from that glitch. Especially at how fast that golem knocked the hell out of that room in a few minutes.

I think you're comparing the golem's level with nameless' current.

[Kyubey]

I think you're comparing the golem's level with nameless' current.

LOOOOOL

@dejosa, golem lvs are always lv 34, and that lv will show when you control the golem, once you switch it will show your character current

[Fabian]

It doesn't change the fact that said person is soloing an Elite mission thanks to a hack. It's weird that I've seen the same person still running around. Even with Nexon's reputation, this much proof would be enough for anyone to proceed, no?

Anyways, the poster is against the skill because it will be a legit way of doing what some people do through hacking....? Regardless, the comparison is non-existent.

[Kyubey]

It doesn't change the fact that said person is soloing an Elite mission thanks to a hack. It's weird that I've seen the same person still running around. Even with Nexon's reputation, this much proof would be enough for anyone to proceed, no?

Anyways, the poster is against the skill because it will be a legit way of doing what some people do through hacking....? Regardless, the comparison is non-existent.

what he means, is that bunshin is bugged, nexon NA wont fix it, and the power of glitched bunshin is comparable to one snow golem using berserk skill

Beserker is currently fixed, the point of saying "its only a person abusing one hack" its pointless now since its dead and buried, you're only calling upon unnecessary points to make drama about this

[Fabian]

what he means, is that bunshin is bugged, nexon NA wont fix it, and the power of glitched bunshin is comparable to one snow golem using berserk skill

Beserker is currently fixed, the point of saying "its only a person abusing one hack" its pointless now since its dead and buried, you're only calling upon unnecessary points to make drama about this

My bad, I had no idea it was already fixed. About your point "It's pointless now since it's dead and buried...", just because you stopped doing it doesn't mean it is alright to have done it.

Another point worth mentioning: It will be available to everyone, not just to hackers. That changes things by a lot.


[Edit] If it turns out to be way too overpowered, Nexon will simply nerf it, just like they did to golems. There's no point complaining about glitches and all those things since they were already fixed.

[guyguru]

Bushin is a skill in the game, it will eventually be release. When the time come, you can either get the skill and rank it up to use. Otherwise, don't get the skill.

@OP you can't compare one skill to another, they are completely two different skill?

Beserker: This skill is not currently implemented in any version of Mabinogi.
Required AP (Total) 391 ap


Shadow Bushin: Currently only available in JP and TW server.
Required AP (Total) 173 ap

There go your exclusive to JP server argument.

[Lan]

._. In NA we always get the nerfed versions of things, ALWAYS. Every nerf gets passed down towards us, it's inevitable. AR got nerfed, Ice spear + Blaze got nerfed, and golem got nerfed. Why wouldn't we get the non glitched version of bushin? We get our files straight from KR and they fixed it ._.

[TheKartheus]

._. In NA we always get the nerfed versions of things, ALWAYS. Every nerf gets passed down towards us, it's inevitable. AR got nerfed, Ice spear + Blaze got nerfed, and golem got nerfed. Why wouldn't we get the non glitched version of bushin? We get our files straight from KR and they fixed it ._.

Blaze and golem got nerfed after they were already hear in non-nerf form though. It's not like the second KR fixes it, we get it too.

[Lan]

Blaze and golem got nerfed after they were already hear in non-nerf form though. It's not like the second KR fixes it, we get it too.

But we still get the nerfed versions, since we're not that far behind KR Mabi when they release something and it's rather OP they'll fix it later but by that time we'll have received the unnerfed version. However in the end we always receive the fix.

[Zeo]

Because it requires no skill to execute.

Again, like I said on Nexon forums (Yes, I'm Uranutos, Araria) and in here... many other skills require no skill to use as well. Other people said it as well.

Plus why are you complaining about one specific skill? There's many other skills that is more stronger and can do larger damages than Bunshin. Bunshin have more pros than other skills do, yes. But it does have more cons than other skills as well.

[Aubog007]

If KR Nexon made this skill instead of JP.


I'd think noone would really care.


I demand that WM and Crash Shot be taken from the game!

Along with Fireball



Smash, Magnum, Full charge firebolt. Back to basics, go go.

[Lan]

If KR Nexon made this skill instead of JP.


I'd think noone would really care.


I demand that WM and Crash Shot be taken from the game!

Along with Fireball



Smash, Magnum, Full charge firebolt. Back to basics, go go.

NUH! Instead I demand Rain of Thunder ADV skill D:<

[Aubog007]

NUH! Instead I demand Rain of Thunder ADV skill D:<

I demand a skill where you poke an enemy with a trinity staff and they explode into thunderous pieces.

[Zyrus]

I demand a skill where you poke an enemy with a trinity staff and they explode into thunderous pieces.

I actually like that idea. Make it have a range of like 500 and you charge for a few seconds. Stab enemy emit lighting bolt, explosion happens.

[Paradise]

LOOOOOL

@dejosa, golem lvs are always lv 34, and that lv will show when you control the golem, once you switch it will show your character current

Golems can lvl up at Metus owo


Rather than use my words, I have recorded a video in order to shine some light on this matter.
This video depicts me using the Berserk Golem glitch to solo Shadow Wizard Elite.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ZUheVJ1f8



Berserk Golem Skill Data-
The skill's damage is based on base damage. Golem's base damage is very high. Monster protection had no effect on the skill.
The skill has no cooldown or cost of any kind (only on golems). Humans have a long cooldown.( No -10% HP like WM )
The skill load time is instant.
The skill's damage comes from an explosion triggered by canceling the skill.
The skill has a high AoE and stuns mobs very heavily.
The skill's critical hit rate is not based on protection.


Similarities to Bunshin:
Bunshin's damage is based on skill rank and stamina. Monster protection has no effect on the damage.
Because of the canceling glitch that allows you not to use "souls" when using Bunshin, and cypress items negating the high stamina cost, Bunshin does not have any costs or cooldowns of any kind.
The skill load time is a few seconds, but because of your clones stalling the mob already, this is trivial. You will be able to use it as often as you like.
The skill's damage comes from clones that can reach a large radius.
The skill has a high AoE ( you can teleport to the target ) and stuns the mob for enough time for you to reload the skill.
The skill's critical hit rate is not based on protection.

Do you really want something almost as powerful as Berserk Golem to be usable by anyone? If this skill is allowed into the game, it will be the only thing anyone is using at all. Anyone at level 300-ish with r1 Bunshin and 2 cypress items will be just as good as even 4k+ players like myself. Why would anyone want this skill implemented? We all know nexon will not fix the bug, they are idiots. The reason I argue against this skill is not because it is a Narutard thing, it is because it is ridiculously overpowered. Please vote against it right now.

http://jugo.sopaipleto.com/files/2011/07/memes-smart-ass-cat-i-dont-see-your-problem.jpg

[Kaino]

I still think Bunshin is a bad idea...
:cry:

[Zeo]

I still think Bunshin is a bad idea...
:cry:

Why so? I'd like to hear your excuse/reason/opinion.

[Kaino]

Why so? I'd like to hear your excuse/reason/opinion.
It just seems so...so gamebreaking. You can do a lot of cheap stuff with it to be honest, and I already explained it on the last thread. Now what's your reasoning behind Bunshin being a good idea to bring into the game?

[EndlessDreams]

It just seems so...so gamebreaking. You can do a lot of cheap stuff with it to be honest, and I already explained it on the last thread. Now what's your reasoning behind Bunshin being a good idea to bring into the game?

More melee skills, even though it seems like a mediocre skill, and more importantly, +str/stamina?

I guess even more importantly, to troll those haters as well.

[NomadTrooper]

I actually like that idea. Make it have a range of like 500 and you charge for a few seconds. Stab enemy emit lighting bolt, explosion happens.

I can't believe I thought you were a real mage. I should've kicked your butt when I saw you at Calida mana tunnel on Saturday. No real mage asks for a MELEE skill to be called magic! A real mage knows not to let their prey even get close! Blaze is pseudo magic! If blaze is magic, then so is mirage missile.

[Paradise]

bunshin should not be released cause trolls will die ;D
and some known mages and rangers willl go buu buuuu QQ

DONT LET TROLLS DIE!
DONT MAKE TROLLS QQ!

[Kaino]

More melee skills, even though it seems like a mediocre skill, and more importantly, +str/stamina?

I guess even more importantly, to troll those haters as well.
I'd be fine with any other skill just...when I played for a bit on KR it was terrible...Bunshin was so overused and so OP that my party who was doing a Uroboros final run couldn't do anything since a level 1.2k with capped Bunshin basically beat the whole thing without us doing anything. I wanted to hit the snakey...

[Cynic]

I don't see why rangers/mages would QQ. It's pretty useful for all classes.

[Kyubey]

I can't believe I thought you were a real mage. I should've kicked your butt when I saw you at Calida mana tunnel on Saturday. No real mage asks for a MELEE skill to be called magic! A real mage knows not to let their prey even get close! Blaze is pseudo magic! If blaze is magic, then so is mirage missile.

mirage missile are aids, elves dont make safe sex ):

[truefire]

I don't see why rangers/mages would QQ. It's pretty useful for all classes.

^This. While the skill itself gives STR/Stam per rank, the damage formula is one such that it actually benefits non-melee specialized characters more. Its base damage is set but its true potential lies in your stam bar * the number of souls you acquired. Archers with any non-bow back-up weapon, alchemists, and Paladins will love the skill in particular (all people who would have high stam besides meleers). This being solely based on how the skill is supposed to function, not the glitch. Its advantage and disadvantage is that its damage is set.

The glitch was not out for long in JP before it got fixed. The skill will be appearing in KR after having debuted in JP, and for that reason will likely appear in KR un-glitched. I highly doubt the original version of Mabi will get a skill tested in a non-original version that comes with all the fundamental problems of that version when everything would have been designed by devCat in the first place. And since whatever we go through is influenced by KR, we will likely also not be seeing this glitch. And even if by some off chance we experience it, it won't be around long enough to matter. It won't even come close to when Golems were at their peak. And again, the glitched version might have made waves during a time when there were a lot less hackers running around, but it will hardly make a ripple in our current Mabi situation.

So really, can everyone go back to posting five "Mabi is dying" threads an hour? Because I really don't see how this one skill with limited power and high likelihood of arriving un-glitched is going to be a thing.

[Zeo]

I'd be fine with any other skill just...when I played for a bit on KR it was terrible...Bunshin was so overused and so OP that my party who was doing a Uroboros final run couldn't do anything since a level 1.2k with capped Bunshin basically beat the whole thing without us doing anything. I wanted to hit the snakey...

lol... KR doesn't have Bunshin skill at all. And Bunshin are pretty slow to load... how can you use it without being hit by Uroboros's breath? I probably can beat it faster with ego Ice wand with 4+ CC than r1 Bunshin. x:

Sorry but I think this is either BS, or you're trying to lie to make Bunshin look worse.


No real mage asks for a MELEE skill to be called magic! A real mage knows not to let their prey even get close! Blaze is pseudo magic! If blaze is magic, then so is mirage missile.

I lol'd. I'm a real mage, but I do specialize in some alchemy skills. Does that not make me a "real mage" then?

[sakraycore]

The only skill that was "clearly" op in the whole history of mabinogi is unnerfed golems.

[Kyubey]

The only skill that was "clearly" op in the whole history of mabinogi is unnerfed golems.

only skill that is clearly op in the whole history of mabinogi is wm, unnerfed golems just brought wm to a stupid whole new level

[Kaino]

lol... KR doesn't have Bunshin skill at all. And Bunshin are pretty slow to load... how can you use it without being hit by Uroboros's breath? I probably can beat it faster with ego Ice wand with 4+ CC than r1 Bunshin. x:

Sorry but I think this is either BS, or you're trying to lie to make Bunshin look worse.



I lol'd. I'm a real mage, but I do specialize in some alchemy skills. Does that not make me a "real mage" then?
Did it SERIOUSLY take you that long..?
http://i56.tinypic.com/b5hbad.jpg
I honestly find Bunshin stupid..all of the gameplay videos I've seen and reviewed, Bunshin still looks stupidly retarded. It's a game based on Celtic and Irish Lore...how the hell did we get dancin' samurai's in Celtic Lore. I wouldn't mind it if the skill was true to the game origin but no, it isn't. Plus from ALL of the information I have reviewed...it seems like a completely pointless skill.


only skill that is clearly op in the whole history of mabinogi is wm, unnerfed golems just brought wm to a stupid whole new level
^This, hi there-you hate OP WM too ;D?

[EndlessDreams]

Did it SERIOUSLY take you that long..?
I honestly find Bunshin stupid..all of the gameplay videos I've seen and reviewed, Bunshin still looks stupidly retarded. It's a game based on Celtic and Irish Lore...how the hell did we get dancin' samurai's in Celtic Lore. I wouldn't mind it if the skill was true to the game origin but no, it isn't. Plus from ALL of the information I have reviewed...it seems like a completely pointless skill.


Last time I remember, WM looks like dancing too. (Breakdancing) We have "Samurai" type swords, and "Samurai" looking armors. So, we already have dancing samurai...

A Bunshin skill is more like a ninja skill anyways. Ninjas aren't exactly Samurai.

The game is still true to the game's origin, which was freedom to be whatever your fantasy life you want it to be.

[Kyubey]

^This, hi there-you hate OP WM too ;D?

im main melee why would i hate wm when wm is my life :I

[Zeo]

Yup, Bunshin is a ninja skill, not Samurai skill, plus... ninja and related stuffs are popular in Europe for like... 1500-ish (around that year, I think)

[Kyubey]

Yup, Bunshin is a ninja skill, not Samurai skill, plus... ninja and related stuffs are popular in Europe for like... 1500-ish (around that year, I think)

don't speak of stuff you dont know about

[Zeo]

don't speak of stuff you dont know about

I do know it's popular around in Europe, just am unsure of the time tho.

[Kaino]

Yup, Bunshin is a ninja skill, not Samurai skill, plus... ninja and related stuffs are popular in Europe for like... 1500-ish (around that year, I think)
Go Youtube Dancin' Samurai...that's the joke I was getting at, also Eastern Europe yeah...it wasn't until way later that Western Europe even bothered to see what was on the other side of the continent.

im main melee why would i hate wm when wm is my life :I
You should hate it cause Windmill is cheating on us meele users with Golems, that just aint right
:cry:

"I do know it's popular around in Europe, just am unsure of the time tho." <---For reals?
And it isn't that popular, American's are nationally more in love with Japan because they think everything is so "desu desu" and "tsun tsun"...Western Europe is sadly not into anime or manga like most of America is. I do know this since I have fifteen friends from Liverpool...neither of them know what Manga is, one thought it was a cereal.


not on the europe i live on for sure



i have 1/1/1 golems too
You live in Europe, cool o;

[Kyubey]

I do know it's popular around in Europe, just am unsure of the time tho.

not on the europe i live on for sure


You should hate it cause Windmill is cheating on us meele users with Golems, that just aint right
:cry:

i have 1/1/1 golems too

[Kaino]

not on the europe i live on for sure



i have 1/1/1 golems too
Remind me what that is again...I know diddly about Alchemy. It's the last thing I want to do to be honest, I like leveling up with a type of style that requires a stat to be honest..

[Zeo]

Oh boy... here we go again.. complaining about nerfed Golem still being "OP".

I sure hope over half the population won't throw a temper tantrum just because Bunshin came out to NA Mabinogi, or this Mabinogi community is even more screwed up than I thought it'd be.

[Kyubey]

Remind me what that is again...I know diddly about Alchemy. It's the last thing I want to do to be honest, I like leveling up with a type of style that requires a stat to be honest..

1/1/1 = r1 alchemy mastery / r1 summon golem / r1 clay mastery


Oh boy... here we go again.. complaining about nerfed Golem still being "OP".

I sure hope over half the population won't throw a temper tantrum just because Bunshin came out to NA Mabinogi, or this Mabinogi community is even more screwed up than I thought it'd be.

what the hell are you talking about?

[Kaino]

Oh boy... here we go again.. complaining about nerfed Golem still being "OP".

I sure hope over half the population won't throw a temper tantrum just because Bunshin came out to NA Mabinogi, or this Mabinogi community is even more screwed up than I thought it'd be.
We all have ideas and opinions and we stick to them, you're entitled to being your own self while we're entitled to being our own selves. If you don't like it I'm sure someone else will listen to you, we can all complain and whine about this skill day in and day out-we ALL know we can-but let's just come out and say it. We want Bunshin released and we don't want Bunshin released, no where on this thread have I seen someone not say they hate Bunshin and I haven't seen anyone not say they love Bunshin. Also Zeo, no I wasn't complaining about nerfed golem being OP I was talking about Golem in general and how it's high WM in general is still OP. I don't mind people using Golem in elite missions just I personally wouldn't use it how most people use it if I took up Alchemy.
:chin:

1/1/1 = r1 alchemy mastery / r1 summon golem / r1 clay mastery



what the hell are you talking about?
He probably meant JP or something, if not then I agree with Chroma-what the hell you talking about. I know I've been away from Mabi for two weeks but I know they didn't implement Bunshin without announcing it since Nexon is Nexon and they love announcing things like that.

[Paradise]

Remind me what that is again...I know diddly about Alchemy. It's the last thing I want to do to be honest, I like leveling up with a type of style that requires a stat to be honest..

stamina?

any ways

why theres always ppl QQ'ing when a good skill that isnt for their class comes out?
-its good for all classes blah blah blah- uhmmmm stamina? moslty for pally if you ask me (90% pally are melee, for obvious reasons) boost for alches tho

Its a Melee skill that all class can use (like counter or charge) but more useful for melee

Just .... play the game and take care of yourself
if you like the skill, get it
if you dont, skip it
if other ppl use it, use SC or FB or IS or FS and be happy

is that hard to do?

[Fabian]

stamina?

any ways

why theres always ppl QQ'ing when a good skill that isnt for their class comes out?
-its good for all classes blah blah blah- uhmmmm stamina? moslty for pally if you ask me (90% pally are melee, for obvious reasons) boost for alches tho

Its a Melee skill that all class can use (like counter or charge) but more useful for melee

Just .... play the game and take care of yourself
if you like the skill, get it
if you dont, skip it
if other ppl use it, use SC or FB or IS or FS and be happy

is that hard to do?

This. I never saw people complaining about the release of Crash Shot. o_o

[TheKartheus]

why theres always ppl QQ'ing when a good skill that isnt for their class comes out?


Except that the people in this thread complaining are melee users o.0

[Zeo]

I remembered those old days that before Iria came out, we had most of the people QQing about FH and how it'd be OP and is a Narutard skill.

People always will find a way to complain no matter what.

[iloveyou]

People always will find a way to complain no matter what.
Truedat.

and then they go back to playing Nexon game. At the end of the day, Nexon still riding that horse.

[Animarie]

I hope it does get released. I always welcome more skills. I don't think it is OP, people throw that word around too much.

[Kaino]

I remembered those old days that before Iria came out, we had most of the people QQing about FH and how it'd be OP and is a Narutard skill.

People always will find a way to complain no matter what.
o-o...Are you kidding me, since when is Final Hit, a skill that requires "swords" might I add you, a Narutard skill...Oh that's right! I must have missed that episode where Naruto takes two Gladius and slashes Sasuke repeatedly.
Side Note: I know Final Hit can be used with any weapon besides a bow, the description (even Nicca states it) is that it's used for dual wielding swords.

[Zeo]

^

You also doesn't need to dual-wield swords to use Final Hit skill as well.
You could use Final hit while having no swords at all.

I know few people who just uses Final Hit/Final Shot basically just for teleporting purpose.

[Kaino]

^

You also doesn't need to dual-wield swords to use Final Hit skill as well.
You could use Final hit while having no swords at all.

I know few people who just uses Final Hit/Final Shot basically just for teleporting purpose.
Do you mean Final Hit or Final Shot...Final Shot yes, Final Hit only allows you to teleport IF you hit a mob...Final Shot, Press Shift and click. Final Hit even states that it was made for swords...as a human I even remember Nicca stating that most knights use one sword and a shield, while a new skill was discovered that uses two swords that allow one to hit mobs continuously in a row.
Also...
You can defeat the enemy by instantaneously moving in the speed of a sword in the air, which allows you to keep swinging your sword even when you are under attack by the enemy as long as you are holding the sword in both hands.
http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Final_Hit
So uhh...run and tell that.
I was making a point how Final Hit is built for two swords...pretty sure Naruto, Sasuke, Gai, Kabuto, anyone besides TWO characters use swords...

[Cynic]

@ Kaino, it's the teleporting aspect that makes it Naruto like. Not the sword thing.

[Xemnas]

@ Kaino, it's the teleporting aspect that makes it Naruto like. Not the sword thing.

teleporting = naruto now? I have never seen anyone in naruto teleport.

[Lan]

teleporting = naruto now? I have never seen anyone in naruto teleport.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Body_Flicker_Technique

That or Madara can actually teleport.

[Natural Harmonia Gropius]

people say bunshin looks like naruto, i say it looks like mabi, because thats what its in. even if it was a copy paste from naruto, i still dont give a damn. you are not forced to get this skill, nor are you forced to interact with the "narutards" who obtain it. and there is this AMAZING new feature in mabi, they just released it, its called a blacklist. add someone to that and you dont even have to see their character ever again.

[Cho]

people say bunshin looks like naruto, i say it looks like mabi, because thats what its in. even if it was a copy paste from naruto, i still dont give a damn. you are not forced to get this skill, nor are you forced to interact with the "narutards" who obtain it. and there is this AMAZING new feature in mabi, they just released it, its called a blacklist. add someone to that and you dont even have to see their character ever again.

If it really was copied from Naruto, seeing as they won't get the licensing for some other items, why would they get licensing for a skill?

Doesn't matter if it's a new skill or what it looks like to others, it's just content implanted into a game...I don't see what the big deal is about it looking like a Narutard skill or whatever.

By this, totally agreed.

[Maenad]

@ Kaino, it's the teleporting aspect that makes it Naruto like. Not the sword thing.

Wait a second...
The last time I checked, even if Naruto does have teleporting, it did not invent the concept of it.

[Animarie]

Wait a second...
The last time I checked, even if Naruto does have teleporting, it did not invent the concept of it.

Naruto did not invent the idea of creating clones of yourself to fight either.

[Xemnas]

[url]

That or Madara can actually teleport.

random url that tries to get me to download something as soon as I look at the page.


nope.avi

[Maenad]

Naruto did not invent the idea of creating clones of yourself to fight either.

Have you even looked at the loading animation of Shadow Bunshin?
Look at it, and tell me truthfully that this isn't from Naruto.
I won't even tell you what the animation for loading is. You'll have to describe it AND deny that it's from Naruto while somehow managing not to sound ridiculous.

[EndlessDreams]

This thread is like Naruto.
The same arguments just copies itself over and over similar to Naruto's copying skill, whatever it is called.

[Maenad]

This thread is like Naruto.
The same arguments just copies itself over and over similar to Naruto's copying skill, whatever it is called.

Personally, I like Naruto.


I just don't want Naruto in my Celtic lore.

[Animarie]

Have you even looked at the loading animation of Shadow Bunshin?
Look at it, and tell me truthfully that this isn't from Naruto.
I won't even tell you what the animation for loading is. You'll have to describe it AND deny that it's from Naruto while somehow managing not to sound ridiculous.

I don't think you read my post. I only said that Naruto did not invent the idea. I did not say there were not similarities.

[Oizen]

I want it added, no matter what people say. :3

[Aliyah]

Personally, I like Naruto.


I just don't want Naruto in my Celtic lore.Well didn't Gwydion create an illusionary army in the mabinogion? So just call it Gwydion's multiplication technique or something.

[Maenad]

I don't think you read my post. I only said that Naruto did not invent the idea. I did not say there were not similarities.
I didn't say that Naruto invented the Shadow Clone idea. However, compared to Teleporting, the number of different things that use the Shadow Clone idea are few and far inbetween. The most major one, is Naruto, hands-down. It is a Japanese anime, and Shadow Bunshin was originally released as a Japan-only skill in an attempt to draw in more players by appealing to fanboys/girls.

[Meiji]

Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterf*ck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the sh¡t it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the sh¡t of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the jutsus, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole ninja faggotry and everything about the Naruto world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of sh¡t that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this sh¡t right the f*ck up.

Naruto is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the f*ck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Naruto threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.

[Animarie]

I didn't say that Naruto invented the Shadow Clone idea. However, compared to Teleporting, the number of different things that use the Shadow Clone idea are few and far inbetween. The most major one, is Naruto, hands-down. It is a Japanese anime, and Shadow Bunshin was originally released as a Japan-only skill in an attempt to draw in more players by appealing to fanboys/girls.

Nope it is not that few or far inbetween. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoppelgangerSpin

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoppelgangerAttack

[Maenad]

Nope it is not that few or far inbetween. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoppelgangerSpin

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoppelgangerAttack


Shadow clones.

[EndlessDreams]

How come noone complains about Naruto when SCC's boss pulls off his/her own shadow clones?

[Cynic]

Since nobody has pointed this out..

it was created by MabiJP (Keyword: Japan), so it most likely is based on Naruto, actually. Considering how much anime stuff they've gotten already.
It shouldn't even matter, though; it's a skill.

[Animarie]

The thing is the idea is common in anime in general and Naruto is not the first. Maybe it is based off Naruto or maybe not. The argument in the first place is pointless.

[Maenad]

The thing is the idea is common in anime in general and Naruto is not the first. Maybe it is based off Naruto or maybe not. The argument in the first place is pointless.
I can guarantee it's based off of Naruto.
The only reason you're trying to deny that is because people don't like it for that reason.

[pkMaster]

How come noone complains about Naruto when SCC's boss pulls off his/her own shadow clones?

I guess it's what some would consider IRONY. It doesn't matter if the boss has access to the most broken, ridiculed or silliest looking skill to grace the planet, if we have access to same skills, ppl are gonna get pissed.

I couldn't care less if this skill does/doesn't come to NA, I just enjoy the game because it's FUN!

[Lan]

You know what? Fine. Who cares what it was inspired by, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that it's a skill, a cool skill that is NOT in anyway overpowered. It's just a cool skill to use and it provides decent strength for the amount of AP invested. That's it, no more discussion needed.

We have a blacklist feature for a reason, if you don't want to use it then to bad for you. If this skill comes out I for one will get it and enjoy it.

[Animarie]

I can guarantee it's based off of Naruto.
The only reason you're trying to deny that is because people don't like it for that reason.

lol nope. I am not denying that it is based off of Naruto nor I am comfirming it. I think the argument that it should not be in the game because it looks like Naruto and that clones = Naruto is silly. Naruto got it's idea from somewhere else too. Nothing in fiction is new remember that.

[Maenad]

You know what? Fine. Who cares what it was inspired by, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that it's a skill, a cool skill that is NOT in anyway overpowered. It's just a cool skill to use and it provides decent strength for the amount of AP invested. That's it, no more discussion needed.

We have a blacklist feature for a reason, if you don't want to use it then to bad for you. If this skill comes out I for one will get it and enjoy it.

It IS overpowered.
Every skill has a bane. Except this one.
Smash? Counterattack.
Windmill? Defense.
Ice Spear? Defense(With shield) or Mana deflector.
Fireball? It can miss.
Light spear? Evade, or it can miss.
Fury of Light? Completely dodgeable.
Crash Shot? It can miss, Evade.

The list goes on.

[Oizen]

Personally, I like Naruto.


I just don't want Naruto in my Celtic lore.
So Alice in Wonderland and Fullmetal Alchemist is A-OK?

[Maenad]

lol nope. I am not denying that it is based off of Naruto nor I am comfirming it. I think the argument that it should not be in the game because it looks like Naruto and that clones = Naruto is silly. Naruto got it's idea from somewhere else too. Nothing in fiction is new remember that.

Regardless of whether or not it's from Naruto.
Regardless of whether or not Naruto is the first to the idea.
Regardless of whether or not Naruto is the dominate one utilizing the idea.

I do not want a skill that is overpowered AND reminds me THIS strongly of Naruto in my MMORPG.


So Alice in Wonderland and Fullmetal Alchemist is A-OK?

Alice in Wonderland is iffy.

I personally don't want Fullmetal Alchemist stuff over here.
At least we already have Alchemists.

[MikeHo]

I do not want a skill that is overpowered AND reminds me THIS strongly of Naruto in my MMORPG.

Its only overpowered because of the glitch and if it isnt fixed when we get it eventually it will be.

Just cause you dont want it does not mean other people feel the same way.

Last i check it was a fantasy life game not only YOUR fantasy life game.


Btw double post

[Animarie]

Regardless of whether or not it's from Naruto.
Regardless of whether or not Naruto is the first to the idea.
Regardless of whether or not Naruto is the dominate one utilizing the idea.

I do not want a skill that is overpowered AND reminds me THIS strongly of Naruto in my MMORPG.

It isn't overpowered. It is does less damage them many other skills., you need to collect souls so it isn't spammable, it drains stamina a lot and plus it is really only good for attacking one enemy. It reminding you of Naruto is not an objective reason to keep it out. Windmill reminds me of Link's spin attack from the Legend of Zelda.

[Nintega]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w199/FrigidAxe/ShadowBunshinskillVsRevampedPremiumService.png

I just figured this might be important to some of you.

[Cynic]

It IS overpowered.
Every skill has a bane. Except this one.
Smash? Counterattack.
Windmill? Defense.
Ice Spear? Defense(With shield) or Mana deflector.
Fireball? It can miss.
Light spear? Evade, or it can miss.
Fury of Light? Completely dodgeable.
Crash Shot? It can miss, Evade.

The list goes on.

There is always, oh.. iunno.
Someone attacking you while you're loading it?

[Maenad]

There is always, oh.. iunno.
Someone attacking you while you're loading it?


That applies to all skills, it's more of a drawback to the skill system than the skill itself, and if it's a drawback to every skill, then you can't use that point to compare it to other skills.

[Zeo]

Iunno why some people in this thread is raging. I lol'd at the hypocrisy in this thread.

Some people went "OMG I DO NOT WANT NARUTO LORE IN MABI" and yet they're ok with Alice in Wonderland stuffs, FMA stuffs, and such.

When Bunshin is out. I'll be one of those people to get the skill and enjoy it. And no, that does not make me a "Narutard" by the way. I don't even like the anime, lol.

There's skills in game, that is more stronger than Bunshin itself. I can kill the mobs more faster with Golems or Hail Storm than Bunshin skill can, most likely (like what many other users tried to say).

[Animarie]

Iunno why some people in this thread is raging. I lol'd at the hypocrisy in this thread.

Some people went "OMG I DO NOT WANT NARUTO LORE IN MABI" and yet they're ok with Alice in Wonderland stuffs, FMA stuffs, and such.

When Bunshin is out. I'll be one of those people to get the skill and enjoy it. And no, that does not make me a "Narutard" by the way. I don't even like the anime, lol.

There's skills in game, that is more stronger than Bunshin itself. I can kill the mobs more faster with Golems or Hail Storm than Bunshin skill can, most likely (like what many other users tried to say).

I agree! Plus I don't like Naruto either. The whole argument that everyone who wants the skill is a Narutard is a tactic they use to dismiss anyone who disagrees with them.

[Perfectio]

itt: hipsters who think that hating naruto makes them cool (and I don't care about Naruto, but going HURR DURR ITS NARUTO KILLWITHFIRE is not an argument).

And it's really a situational skill for a pure melee player, and a nice toolbox skill for a non-melee player (I presume you'll hit the same amount of damage with a wand/bow/cylinder as with a sword?).

[MikeHo]

I have yet to see a relevant and good argument against getting the skill.

[Zeo]

I have yet to see a relevant and good argument against getting the skill.

Pretty much this. The people who are against Bunshin skill pretty much uses those three major excuses.

"OMG ITS A NARUTARD SKILL"

"Oooh, the skill is too OP and you can spam it"

"Nexon will release the glitched version and ends up not fixing it"

Which is a very poor excuse for not wanting the skill, in my opinion.

[MikeHo]

Pretty much this. The people who are against Bunshin skill pretty much uses those three major excuses.

"OMG ITS A NARUTARD SKILL"

"Oooh, the skill is too OP and you can spam it"

"Nexon will release the glitched version and ends up not fixing it"

Which is a very poor excuse for not wanting the skill, in my opinion.


Exactly!

All ive seen is

Naruto skill ============Personal opinion (means has no relevance)

Skill is glitched and over powered ================= Outdated and misinformed (overpowered because of glitch)

We will get glitched version =============== If we do it will be fixed. Rather get a glitched skill (that can be fixed) than no skill at all.

I mean this is all ive seen over and over again... These are terrible arguments against the skill. I say we should get it.

[Kaino]

Pretty much this. The people who are against Bunshin skill pretty much uses those three major excuses.

"OMG ITS A NARUTARD SKILL"

"Oooh, the skill is too OP and you can spam it"

"Nexon will release the glitched version and ends up not fixing it"

Which is a very poor excuse for not wanting the skill, in my opinion.

You forgot about personal opinion because GOD FORBID we forget that other people aren't always thinking like you Trey o-o GOD FORBID! Sheesh...dude learn that this is a forum, forums are run for a collective use of player's thoughts on topics they want to discuss-you don't like how some people don't want Bunshin then well. See that door over there? Yeah that big one, that's where you should go if you can't handle someone else's opinions that aren't like yours..
And my argument is this, THE GAME NEEDS TO STAY TO IT'S BACKSTORY, MABINOGI=CELTIC/IRISH FOLKLORE, SINCE WHEN DID I READ IN A TEXTBOOK THAT VIKINGS HAD MURAMASAS OR NINJA GAIS. OH THATS RIGHT IT HAPPENED WHEN W-NEVER, IT NEVER HAPPENED. BUNSHIN IS CLEARLY A SKILL BUILT OF A NINJA/NAGINATA BACKGROUND, TYPING IN CAPS IS MY ONLY WAY TO EMPHASIZE MY POINT. THANK YOU.


Exactly!

All ive seen is

Naruto skill ============Personal opinion (means has no relevance)

Skill is glitched and over powered ================= Outdated and misinformed (overpowered because of glitch)

We will get glitched version =============== If we do it will be fixed. Rather get a glitched skill (that can be fixed) than no skill at all.

I mean this is all ive seen over and over again... These are terrible arguments against the skill. I say we should get it.
None of the arguments I've seen from people wanting Bunshin are exactly, "super".

[Perfectio]

>lore consistency

When has lore consistency EVER mattered in Mabinogi? For ****s sake, Celtic mythos did NOT have 10 year old kawaii uguu lolis shooting exploding arrows. And of course, we also have Japanese clothing, Korean clothing, American-style clothing, etc,

I'm not even going to get into Shakespeare.

I believe the phrase "grasping for straws" is beginning to apply.

[Cynic]

>lore consistency

When has lore consistency EVER mattered in Mabinogi? For ****s sake, Celtic mythos did NOT have 10 year old kawaii uguu lolis shooting exploding arrows.

I'm not even going to get into Shakespeare.

^ there is so much in the game that strays away from celtic nature. And yet you guys are just NOW *****ing because of a Narutard skill? Really?
I didn't see anyone complaining about Alice in Wonderland cards.

But oh, wait, NARUTO SUX SO ITS OKAY TO BE A HYPOCRITE.
..Yeah, not really. Get over yourselves.

[Aliyah]

If you got rid of everything not based on celtic mythology, you would have to remove a TON from the game. Every mini skirt (read, not floor length) for one xD


Well didn't Gwydion create an illusionary army in the mabinogion? So just call it Gwydion's multiplication technique or something.
Like I said before, Illusions were part of their magic ^^

[Kaino]

^ there is so much in the game that strays away from celtic nature. And yet you guys are just NOW *****ing because of a Narutard skill? Really?
I didn't see anyone complaining about Alice in Wonderland cards.

But oh, wait, NARUTO SUX SO ITS OKAY TO BE A HYPOCRITE.
..Yeah, not really. Get over yourselves.
I was against the cards to be honest...I mean the game creators even stated that the game is set off of Celtic lore, I shouldn't say against the cards just they didn't do anything...harmful or anything stupid.

[Hiccup]

I'm not even going to get into Shakespeare.

Do you actually know your history?

Shakespeare was a very prolific writer, which seems quite uncommon to us today, but was not so at that time. His writings are not totally original, nor are they wholly different. He had help with many of his plays, collaborating with other writers and actors, and recycled the plots and stories from his contemporaries as well as extant earlier plays and mythologies (Living Theatre, 175). King Lear is based very heavily upon a Celtic myth, down to the names of the characters and places that the story occurs in, and Hamlet is a retelling of earlier versions of the same story (Living Theatre, 180).. Elizabethan plays use stock-type characters like those found in Comedia Del’Arte and Roman plays, and actors would specialize in specific types of roles. Many of the lines in Shakespeare’s plays parallel lines in other plays by him, with only a word or two different. The stories are very much different, but the dialog and characters are not, which made writing 37 plays seem like not such a difficult task after all.

Just an example

[Wasbewwi]

- wants skill

- hate hearing 'Naruto/Narutard/Ninja' skill

- win/win

-haters gon' hate ..?

[Aliyah]

Also, Kaino is not a celtic mythology name! the horror! :x

[Jahrakal]

THE GAME NEEDS TO STAY TO IT'S BACKSTORY, MABINOGI=CELTIC/IRISH FOLKLORE.

I'm sorry but your feeling and opinion is about 2 years old in North America considering we got ELVES AND GIANTS ALONG WITH THE MYSTICAL CONTINENT IRIA.

[Ello]

You forgot about personal opinion because GOD FORBID we forget that other people aren't always thinking like you Trey o-o GOD FORBID! Sheesh...dude learn that this is a forum, forums are run for a collective use of player's thoughts on topics they want to discuss-you don't like how some people don't want Bunshin then well. See that door over there? Yeah that big one, that's where you should go if you can't handle someone else's opinions that aren't like yours..

Your over sized opinion and everyone else opinion on why the skill should/shouldn't doesn't mean anything at the end of the day. Nexon has the one and only say in this topic; thus your opinion is invalid. So... arguing is so pointless.

[Hiccup]

Your over sized opinion and everyone else opinion on why the skill should/shouldn't doesn't mean anything at the end of the day. Nexon has the one and only say in this topic; thus you're opinion is invalid. So... arguing is so pointless.
/thread


omfg. +rep

[Kaino]

Also, Kaino is not a celtic mythology name! the horror! :x
I know it isn't o-o
It's a surname I use since I mainly dabble in writing Japanese Mythology based horror/fantasy novels.

Your over sized opinion and everyone else opinion on why the skill should/shouldn't doesn't mean anything at the end of the day. Nexon has the one and only say in this topic; thus you're opinion is invalid. So... arguing is so pointless.
No my opinion isn't over-sized, it can fit right inside this jar I hold right here :3c
If my opinion is invalid then so is everyone else's :3 Nexon "did" say they were going to re-think releasing Shadow Bunshin.


I'm sorry but your feeling and opinion is about 2 years old in North America considering we got ELVES AND GIANTS ALONG WITH THE MYSTICAL CONTINENT IRIA.
Well if you look back, elves were originally Imps in folklore. Imps were in Irish Folklore, along with Giants/Orcs. Again I know my folklore, I am a writing nerd after all :3

[Perfectio]

Do you actually know your history?


Just an example

er, yes, some of his plays were based off Celtic myth (some might argue loosely), and in any case, that alone doesn't make Shakespeare a good mesh with the setting (as the actual interpretation of the works are not rooted in Celtic/Irish mythos).

With that said, I enjoyed G13 and G14 unlike many others. But I digress.

[Skye]

Pretty much this. The people who are against Bunshin skill pretty much uses those three major excuses.

"OMG ITS A NARUTARD SKILL"

"Oooh, the skill is too OP and you can spam it"

"Nexon will release the glitched version and ends up not fixing it"

Which is a very poor excuse for not wanting the skill, in my opinion.

You forgot about personal opinion because GOD FORBID we forget that other people aren't always thinking like you Trey o-o GOD FORBID! Sheesh...dude learn that this is a forum, forums are run for a collective use of player's thoughts on topics they want to discuss-you don't like how some people don't want Bunshin then well. See that door over there? Yeah that big one, that's where you should go if you can't handle someone else's opinions that aren't like yours..
And my argument is this, THE GAME NEEDS TO STAY TO IT'S BACKSTORY, MABINOGI=CELTIC/IRISH FOLKLORE, SINCE WHEN DID I READ IN A TEXTBOOK THAT VIKINGS HAD MURAMASAS OR NINJA GAIS. OH THATS RIGHT IT HAPPENED WHEN W-NEVER, IT NEVER HAPPENED. BUNSHIN IS CLEARLY A SKILL BUILT OF A NINJA/NAGINATA BACKGROUND, TYPING IN CAPS IS MY ONLY WAY TO EMPHASIZE MY POINT. THANK YOU.


None of the arguments I've seen from people wanting Bunshin are exactly, "super".

Kaino...you need to chill out. Zeo posted his opinion, and you don't need to be so degrading about it. You have your opinion, he has his, everyone else has theirs.
This goes to everyone in this thread. BE. CIVIL.

[Kaino]

Kaino...you need to chill out. Zeo posted his opinion, and you don't need to be so degrading about it. You have your opinion, he has his, everyone else has theirs.
This goes to everyone in this thread. BE. CIVIL.
Yes ma'am o 3o I have a habit of typing is caps for fun
:whoops:

[Ello]

I know it isn't o-o
It's a surname I use since I mainly dabble in writing Japanese Mythology based horror/fantasy novels.

No my opinion isn't over-sized, it can fit right inside this jar I hold right here :3c
If my opinion is invalid then so is everyone else's :3 Nexon "did" say they were going to re-think releasing Shadow Bunshin.

They also said a lot of other things to. Your opinion is still invalid. :point:

[Cynic]

I know it isn't o-o
It's a surname I use since I mainly dabble in writing Japanese Mythology based horror/fantasy novels.

No my opinion isn't over-sized, it can fit right inside this jar I hold right here :3c
If my opinion is invalid then so is everyone else's :3 Nexon "did" say they were going to re-think releasing Shadow Bunshin.


Well if you look back, elves were originally Imps in folklore. Imps were in Irish Folklore, along with Giants/Orcs. Again I know my folklore, I am a writing nerd after all :3

They were Imps, and yet they aren't Imps in-game. Therefore; it doesn't matter. Unless they were implanted as Imps instead of Elves, which they weren't, that is an invalid statement.

[Kaino]

They also said a lot of other things to. Your opinion is still invalid. :point:
But my opinion is valid, it works when I swipe it through the credit card slot
:warn:

They were Imps, and yet they aren't Imps in-game. Therefore; it doesn't matter. Unless they were implanted as Imps instead of Elves, which they weren't, that is an invalid statement.
They have the same characteristics of Imps from folklore, pointed ears, enhanced stamina compared to your average human, quickness along with sly cunning, enthralling beauty. Along the years the definition of defined folklore changes, people once believed that mimics were merely people hiding in boxes to thwart treasure hunters from stealing loot. Until later it was found out in folklore that mimics are actually souls of lost animals/humans who died from unnatural causes.

[Ello]

But my opinion is valid, it works when I swipe it through the credit card slot
:warn:

If only nexon cared even slightly for such a small amount of pocket change. Invalid arguement. :point:

[Wasbewwi]

I don't think Nexon even cares if you create a thread about this skill or not. It's not like we ever had a choice to get the basic skills: Smash, Windmill, Defense and all. It was just there. What, the skill is too godly for you to handle? Is that the reason why you don't want us to get the skill? This argument is stupid. The flow of opinions here diverse in so many ways, but there is one thing I want to make sure you understand. Nexon will not give an *ss.

Really.

[Aliyah]

I know it isn't o-o
It's a surname I use since I mainly dabble in writing Japanese Mythology based horror/fantasy novels.

No my opinion isn't over-sized, it can fit right inside this jar I hold right here :3c
If my opinion is invalid then so is everyone else's :3 Nexon "did" say they were going to re-think releasing Shadow Bunshin.


Well if you look back, elves were originally Imps in folklore. Imps were in Irish Folklore, along with Giants/Orcs. Again I know my folklore, I am a writing nerd after all :3

So you're allowed to introduce non-celtic stuff into mabi, but nexon isn't? pretty hypocritical there.

[Kaino]

I don't think Nexon even cares if you create a thread about this skill or not. It's not like we ever had a choice to get the basic skills: Smash, Windmill, Defense and all. It was just there. What, the skill is too godly for you to handle? Is that the reason why you don't want us to get the skill? This argument is stupid. The flow of opinions here diverse in so many ways, but there is one thing I want to make sure you understand. Nexon will not give an *ss.

Really.
I'm just stating my opinion like a good honest denizen of Mabination~ If you have a problem with me saying my thoughts then you can not comment, also I understand Nexon doesn't care about the customer but more about how much money they can shell into their own pockets,

If only nexon cared even slightly for such a small amount of pocket change. Invalid arguement. :point:
And my Opinion Card is a Mastercard :cheer:

So you're allowed to introduce non-celtic stuff into mabi, but nexon isn't? pretty hypocritical there.
It's a name ;o I wanted to use Bryce and a bunch of other names from a Celtic baby book but they were mostly taken...except girl names and I like being a guy :skip:

[Wasbewwi]

As if your opinion would make a difference if Nexon implements the skill or not.

We can sit here whining or do something productive. Your choice.

[Kaino]

As if your opinion would make a difference if Nexon implements the skill or not.

We can sit here whining or do something productive. Your choice.
Hmm...I choose writing, for it is something that I can productively due while also "whining" as you state it~

[Zeo]

That just reminded me... Nexon also would be so willing to release the skill, because more contents in game = attracts more people to join the game.
So Nexon would make more money.

So I'd say releasing Bunshin skill is a very smart choice by Nexon.

Also. People need to learn the fact that revamped premium service does always not = old adv. play. From what I've recalled, they removed Nao and adv play service because it's "too confusing" for the players, that and we have chance of revamped premium service being even more crappier than current one we have.

[Cynic]

IF the service is the old service (or at-least better than our current one), that is more likely to attract people than a simple skill, however.

[Zeo]

IF the service is the old service (or at-least better than our current one), that is more likely to attract people than a simple skill, however.

Maybe so, but new contents also attract the players as well.

[Kaino]

That just reminded me... Nexon also would be so willing to release the skill, because more contents in game = attracts more people to join the game.
So Nexon would make more money.

So I'd say releasing Bunshin skill is a very smart choice by Nexon.

Also. People need to learn the fact that revamped premium service does always not = old adv. play. From what I've recalled, they removed Nao and adv play service because it's "too confusing" for the players, that and we have chance of revamped premium service being even more crappier than current one we have.
Uhh...you kind of contradicted yourself there, New Content=More players. So...not adding more content to the Preminum Service wouldn't bring any players in. I think it'd bring all of the old players that quit since a revamped service would most likely have some of the old system parameters it had before, i.e. weekly dyes/weekly gift item/Nao Stones. Nao was practically apart of the service itself o-o

[MikeHo]

Uhh...you kind of contradicted yourself there, New Content=More players. So...not adding more content to the Preminum Service wouldn't bring any players in. I think it'd bring all of the old players that quit since a revamped service would most likely have some of the old system parameters it had before, i.e. weekly dyes/weekly gift item/Nao Stones. Nao was practically apart of the service itself o-o

As far as we know... Well we dont know anything about the new service.

I feel if it was old service they would have just said we are being back old service. Not that they are revamping it.

But then again I dont know.

[Kaino]

As far as we know... Well we dont know anything about the new service.

I feel if it was old service they would have just said we are being back old service. Not that they are revamping it.

But then again I dont know.
Well I can't think of anything they could add to it other then what they removed...along with the price, as long as they don't keep it the same anything is better then what we have right now.

[MikeHo]

Well I can't think of anything they could add to it other then what they removed...along with the price, as long as they don't keep it the same anything is better then what we have right now.

As ive said you never know. So using something we have no info on as an argument has less standing.

but with the content part up there you were talking about.

One cost money (service)
One Does not. (skills/content)

Not everyone pays for service.

[Cynic]

Though people would be more willing to buy service if they released a decent one.

[MikeHo]

Though people would be more willing to buy service if they released a decent one.

Agreed but thats only if they release a decent one.

I feel content can attract current/old/new players where as service can attract people just as well but not everyone will benefit from it. (if its like the old service maybe other people can benefit but again we don't know what the revamp is.)

It all comes down to how good the revamp is.

[Kaino]

Agreed but thats only if they release a decent one.

I feel content can attract current/old/new players where as service can attract people just as well but not everyone will benefit from it. (if its like the old service maybe other people can benefit but again we don't know what the revamp is.)

It all comes down to how good the revamp is.
Something as simple as one skill won't attract many players...something that affects things on a large scale, i.e. pets/generations/equipment/services do attract more people into playing.

[Wasbewwi]

Useless rant is useless. Not BASHING this thread, but it just seems so .. repetetive.

I mean, when there's ANOTHER new skill coming out, we will have a discussion ONCE AGAIN.

To release or not to release, that is the question.

It's kinda useless trying to tell nexon to stop the release of this skill.

Just like how tickets will never be answered.

Unless you go to nexon and have a face-to-face convo, well.. heck, I don't think they even have time for this bullcrap face-to-face. I mean, I see where you're coming from. You just want to share your opinion on this skill like the rest of us, but then it will attract people commenting: NARUTARD, NARUTO LOSERS, etc.

I kinda wanted this skill because it looked neat. Another skill that'll be useful in the future. Just like Assault Slash!

[Oizen]

Though people would be more willing to buy service if they released a decent one.

I thought we were getting both.

[Cynic]

I thought we were getting both.

I don't think we've had any official word (if we did, I can't recall when/where it was), but we're all hoping that's the case. I don't really trust Nexon, though.

[Oizen]

I don't think we've had any official word (if we did, I can't recall when/where it was), but we're all hoping that's the case. I don't really trust Nexon, though.

Well they've proved time after time that they're against making good decisions so....

[Kaino]

Well they've proved time after time that they're against making good decisions so....
And that they're all for illogical thinking too, mmm...illogical-ness~

[Hunteraced]

For all you guys who are afraid of beginners ranking this skill right away and abusing it, they can't. To get it you have to get finish on Shadow Cast City adv doppleganger. How many people under level 300 can do that? None! Plus, to even get the quest, your total strength has to be 150+. Easily achievable using enchants, but beginners won't have that str for a while. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be released in NA. The load time is 3.5second... That is quite a bit of time in every event other than boss/field boss where you can prepare skill without fear of multi agro attack. Being as it is slow to load and doesn't deal well with multi agro, this skill will be similar to smash.

Hunt

[iloveyou]

For all you guys who are afraid of beginners ranking this skill right away and abusing it, they can't. To get it you have to get finish on Shadow Cast City adv doppleganger. How many people under level 300 can do that? None! Plus, to even get the quest, your total strength has to be 150+. Easily achievable using enchants, but beginners won't have that str for a while. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be released in NA. The load time is 3.5second... That is quite a bit of time in every event other than boss/field boss where you can prepare skill without fear of multi agro attack. Being as it is slow to load and doesn't deal well with multi agro, this skill will be similar to smash.

Hunt
and 3.5 sec load time in pvp mean dead, so no afraid people will abusing this in pvp

[frozenwilderness]

Rather than use my words, I have recorded a video in order to shine some light on this matter.
This video depicts me using the Berserk Golem glitch to solo Shadow Wizard Elite.That's like saying demi shouldn't be released because modders/hackers can abuse it infinitely. lol

null argument imo

[Hoihoihoi]

That's like saying demi shouldn't be released because modders/hackers can abuse it infinitely. lol

null argument imo

That is not saying that at all. Demi is not infinitely in most cases, in the rare cases of modders/hackers. However, in the case of bunshin, the skill itself is glitched. Everyone is able to spam it with knowledge of its ability.

[frozenwilderness]

That is not saying that at all. Demi is not infinitely in most cases, in the rare cases of modders/hackers. However, in the case of bunshin, the skill itself is glitched. Everyone is able to spam it with knowledge of its ability.

i don't see how that has anything to do with berserker, since u need mods to be able to spam that infinitely

they're not even similar

[Zeo]

Both Bunshin and revamped premium service will be implemented into game anyway.


Q: Do the top 3 items out of one poll get implemented or the top 3 of all polls?

A: Each section will have a top three.

No point in trying to argue for those two options now.