Blizz-freaking-con

[Cucurbita]

http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/live-stream/?stream=sc2

You can watch all of the SC2 tournament all of today and tomorrow here ^

Or you can invite a bunch of friends, buy the virtual ticket stream, get HD coverage of every event going on in the convention.

Edit: First tournament starts in 2 hours. The opening ceremony is in an hour and thats free too.

[Random]

My friend let me use his account for the HD stream! :D

[Cucurbita]

Tournament in 30 minuteeeeees.

[Random]

Chris Metzen does this sort of air grab thing with his hands sooooo much.

[Cucurbita]

LOL day9 daily is being shown for the SC2 tourny channel.

[Random]

I'M SO EXCITED! Do you know which group is the group of death?

Never mind I had this confused with something else

SO MANY ZERG

[Cucurbita]

OH MY GAWWWD

First match was already mind blowing.

I just saw some ridiculous tricks I've never seen before.

[Random]

What tricks?

[Cucurbita]

What tricks?

That protoss all in.

Tricks Terran by letting him see a fake expo, cancels it, then rams straight through. Then when the scvs came to repair the bunkers he used the force fields to surround the bunkers to prevent him from repairing it.

Jesus christ.

[Random]

That protoss all in.

Tricks Terran by letting him see a fake expo, cancels it, then rams straight through. Then when the scvs came to repair the bunkers he used the force fields to surround the bunkers to prevent him from repairing it.

Jesus christ.

Play with me more often and you'll see more tricks :D

[Kazuni]

I just saw Husky open his goodie bag ;-;

D'oh I'm going to miss the games.

[Random]

Select is ****ing amazing.

[Cucurbita]

Select is ****ing amazing.

40 minutes of going back and forth. Jesus christ.

I seriously thought zerg was gonna win for a while too. That marine marauder spread to avoid fungals and ghost emp/snipes just amazinnggggg

[Random]

40 minutes of going back and forth. Jesus christ.

I seriously thought zerg was gonna win for a while too. That marine marauder spread to avoid fungals and ghost emp/snipes just amazinnggggg

I'm amazed at his play in the beginning of that game. "Baneling bust? Yeah, **** you bro." He's going to play the #1 player of the world though O:

[Cucurbita]

I'm amazed at his play in the beginning of that game. "Baneling bust? Yeah, **** you bro." He's going to play the #1 player of the world though O:

I think zerg would've won if he didn't forget to get adrenal glands for like 15 minutes.

Saw a lot of times where zerglings got a good surround but couldn't keep up with medivac healing speed to really dish out enough damage.

[Cucurbita]

In case anyone missed it, preview of new units here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m54E3oFWacA

[BobYoMeowMeow]

what's a tempest

[Cucurbita]

what's a tempest

Its something designed specifically to troll mutas.

[BobYoMeowMeow]

Its something designed specifically to troll mutas.

actually the protoss needed a counter against mutas
a noob can't use phoenixes well enough to kill mutas

it fixes the problem but protoss still boring

[Random]

The Oracle is such a funny unit.

[BobYoMeowMeow]

which one's the oracle?

[Cucurbita]

which one's the oracle?

Caster. Phases buildings out for defense/offensive purposes. And shields minerals so they can't be mined from.

Kinda retarded imo. High templar drops are still far more effective.

[Random]

It sure as hell isn't going to replace templar in mineral harass but it's going to piss off a lot of people.

[BobYoMeowMeow]

why cant they make something like nydus worms for protoss..
for goodness sake, their technology consists of teleports!

[Cucurbita]

why cant they make something like nydus worms for protoss..
for goodness sake, their technology consists of teleports!

The hell cat.

Are you serious.

Throw down a power field somewhere and you're good. Whats the complaint here? Pylon here and there, warp in all your units right next to the place of combat.

Phoenix is the fastest unit in the game and can shoot while moving.

Zealot charge can be manually used to run away. Or catch up to the enemy.

Blink Stalkers can jump cliffs, chase, or run.

Colossi can go up and down cliffs.

Warp Prisms can lay down power field anywhere. Thats better than drops in some situations. I always load mine up with sentries, drop, force field enemies while I warp in a ton of stalkers.

Protoss has plenty of mobility. Only complaint I ever had was the horrendously slow movement speed of high templars.

[arklian]

why cant they make something like nydus worms for protoss..
for goodness sake, their technology consists of teleports!

Mothership recall?

[Random]

Mothership recall?

Removed. Now Nexus can use recall for 75 energy.

[Cucurbita]

Removed. Now Nexus can use recall for 75 energy.

Even better ._.

[BobYoMeowMeow]

The hell cat.

Are you serious.

Throw down a power field somewhere and you're good. Whats the complaint here? Pylon here and there, warp in all your units right next to the place of combat.

Phoenix is the fastest unit in the game and can shoot while moving.

Zealot charge can be manually used to run away. Or catch up to the enemy.

Blink Stalkers can jump cliffs, chase, or run.

Colossi can go up and down cliffs.

Warp Prisms can lay down power field anywhere. Thats better than drops in some situations. I always load mine up with sentries, drop, force field enemies while I warp in a ton of stalkers.

Protoss has plenty of mobility. Only complaint I ever had was the horrendously slow movement speed of high templars.

you respond to harrassment in main with army
your expansion is being overrun

split army and its crap
warp in units and opponent lulz

warping in only eases the pain
and you shouldnt have enough money to warp in more than 2 units

for stalkers, offensive blink isnt a good idea unless if it's against broodlords or battlecruisers
then you blink under them to demand more micro

[Kazuni]

Removed. Now Nexus can use recall for 75 energy.

...what. How's that going to work...

And what're the triangular green force field things near the end of the video?

[Random]

...what. How's that going to work...

And what're the triangular green force field things near the end of the video?

Probably just surrounds the nexus with the units.

The green and blue things at 1:48 in the video? That's from the Oracle. The green ones prevent any mining from those mineral patches for a certain amount of time or until someone "kills" it. The blue pyramid things prevent buildings from attacking.

[Kazuni]

Probably just surrounds the nexus with the units.

The green and blue things at 1:48 in the video? That's from the Oracle. The green ones prevent any mining from those mineral patches for a certain amount of time or until someone "kills" it. The blue pyramid things prevent buildings from attacking.

What if you're at max supply though? ._.
And uh, the blue pyramids prevent buildings from.... attacking.....? o____o

[Random]

What if you're at max supply though? ._.
And uh, the blue pyramids prevent buildings from.... attacking.....? o____o

I'm not exactly sure O:
I just remembered what the guys said about them! They "stun" buildings for a certain amount of time. If you played the campaign I guess it would be like one of Zeratul's ability.

[Kazuni]

I'm not exactly sure O:
I just remembered what the guys said about them! They "stun" buildings for a certain amount of time. If you played the campaign I guess it would be like one of Zeratul's ability.

So.. it's like a overseer's contaminate?

[Cucurbita]

I'm not exactly sure O:
I just remembered what the guys said about them! They "stun" buildings for a certain amount of time. If you played the campaign I guess it would be like one of Zeratul's ability.

More like a stasis field on buildings. You can't hurt it, but it freezes up entirely. Can be used nicely for defense too imo. Save some artosis pylons.

[Kazuni]

More like a stasis field on buildings. You can't hurt it, but it freezes up entirely. Can be used nicely for defense too imo. Save some artosis pylons.

Ohhh. Do you think you can use it on an opponent's buildings?

[Cucurbita]

Ohhh. Do you think you can use it on an opponent's buildings?

Use it on opponent's buildings like contaminate. But definitely most accurate to call it stasis field.

[Kazuni]

Use it on opponent's buildings like contaminate. But definitely most accurate to call it stasis field.

Can you cancel it? Or is it like forcefields, stuck there whether it's convenient or not unless you have massive units?

[Cucurbita]

Can you cancel it? Or is it like forcefields, stuck there whether it's convenient or not unless you have massive units?

I don't know, but I highly doubt you could.

[Random]

More like a stasis field on buildings. You can't hurt it, but it freezes up entirely. Can be used nicely for defense too imo. Save some artosis pylons.

Did they say you can't hurt the buildings?

MVP vs NesTea tomorrow? O:

[TA]

Kerrigan is so hawt. btw:


Terrans


Issues and weaknesses

Thor is too slow and clumsy
Race has difficulties in handling mass zealots in late game




New units and abilities

New "battle mode" for hellion - transforms like a viking

Battle mode hellion has more hit points, moves more slowly
Shorter, wider arc on flame attack, and stronger
Gives terran a beefy front-line fighter in the late game





Warhound

Smaller, more nimble version of Thor
Effective anti-mech ground weapon to help break siege tank lines
Anti-air attack with splash damage




Shredder

Robot that emits channeled, area of effect damage when immobilized
Damage automatically shuts off when an ally moves into range
Gives terran cheap zone control, but can't be used near main army
Is still very work-in-progress




Thor

Moved to late game, more hit points and damage
Can only have one, like mothership from Wings of Liberty



Zerg


Issues and weaknesses

Mid-game difficulties with siege and controlling areas
Missed opportunities with certain units like ultralisk and corruptor




New units and abilities


Ultralisk

Existing version is bulky and has difficulties engaging in battle
New burrow charge ability lets it dive underground and get into the fight easily




Viper

New caster unit with detection -- replaces overseer
Has abilities like blinding cloud to help break entrenched positions
Abduct ability allows it to pull units to itself -- pull siege tanks or colossus out of death balls




Swarm host

Zerg artillery for map control and siege
Burrows into the ground, and continuously generates small creatures to attack
Feels very zerg-y




Protoss


Issues and weaknesses

Needs more raiding options
Needs area of effect, anti-air attacks





New units and abilities

Tempest

New protoss capital ship, replaces carrier
Anti-air splash damage for mutalisks and other aircraft
Has direct air-to-ground attack as well that isn't splash



Replicant

Special unit that can clone itself into any non-massive unit
Allows protoss to also take siege tanks or infestors from enemies
Is very expensive
Still very much a work-in-progress, not-final unit



Oracle

Caster unit used for raiding and harassment
Can disable enemy structures, or prevent miningwith its abilities
Doesn't actually kill or damage anything
Mothership is cut in favor of this unit


And some Zerg-specific notes:


Removals: Overseer

Added Units: Swarm Host, Viper

Info: Swarm Host - Its a unit that essentially burrows and while so, sets a rally point and sends out unnamed melee units(or i just didnt catch it) with about the same speed as none upgraded roaches. They seem to have around 100 health and deal MASSIVE damage slowly, probably arond 20+ damage a hit, with attack speed being around 1.15+. It takes around 3.5 - 4 seconds for the Swarm Host to be able to launch another. Cost is currently unknown, as well as where on the tech tree they come from or if they even are tranformed from something else, though that seems unlikely. This is a lair tech unit.

Viper - This is a detection unit that is taking place of the overseer. Its fairly fast, seemingly faster then overseer, but unknown if ovie speed upgrade effects it or not. It has a tongue grasp ability that looks to have around 8+ range and can grab both enemy and friendly units alike and pull them to where the Viper is. Still unknown whether or not this comes with the units or not or how much energy it takes, however chances are it comes with the Viper. The other ability it has is a posion cloud that it shoots out, and any ranged units inside the cloud have their range reduced to 1. So basically it turns ranged units into melee units when inside the cloud. It does nothing more and is still unknown about if an upgrade is needed to get this ability or not. Like the overseer, this unit is Lair tech.

Edit: Ok, just found out that the Viper has a 1 time ability called Ocular Parasite that allows it to detach an eye and attach it to a friendly unit that isnt massive and that unit then becomes a detector. Also, the Poison Cloud also stops energy use abilities from being used as well. As well, the move with its tongue is called Abduct

Added Upgrades:

Info: Burrow Charge - This is an ability for Ultralisks. What this does is allow the Ultralisk to burrow, then VERY quickly move underground and pop up right in the middle of your enemies army rather then just sitting there doing nothing and getting kited. Cost is currently unknown

Burrowed Movement(Banelings) - This is essentially the same thing that roaches have, but now banelings can move while burrowed. Cost currently unknown as well as tech, tho most likely is lair tech, and unknown whether or not centrifugal hooks effects movement speed while burrowed.

Hydra Movement Speed, yes, movement speed - Hydra FINALLY have an upgrade to increase their movement. Cost is unknown, this is a Hive tech upgrade.

Siphon(Corrupters) - This allows corrupters to attach themselves to enemy buildings and suck out gas and minerals from that building. Not much is currently known about this, whether it costs energy now, needs an upgrade, how much minerals and gas or anything really. Its just a new ability for the corrupter, thats about all thats known right now haha.

Misc. Changes:

Info: Ultralisk Size - The Ultralisk is now a smaller unit so it doesnt block as many units of your amry(mostly lings) as it used to and you can fit more in a single line then u could before. Technical specs currently unkown.

Ultralisk Range - The Ultralisks attack range has been upgraded in some way. Im not 100% sure what this details, but it SEEMED as tho the diameter of how much the Ultra hits has been GREATLY increased. It used to hit around 4 or 5 units and it now hits around 6 or 7 at once in a line, and this does NOT include units behind the ones in the front, so potentially it can hit up to 10 units at once.

Theses are ALL of the updates for HotS that they talked about and what i saw in the demo for HotS. Ill add more info here when i find some more things.

[BobYoMeowMeow]

they should just give terrans spider mines and call it a day

[Kazuni]

After reading those updates, I'm scared.
...

Yes, Kerrigan is much hotter than she was in the previous pictures (she looked so ghetto before).

[Cucurbita]

they should just give terrans spider mines and call it a day

SC2 spider mines are a joke.


Yes, Kerrigan is much hotter than she was in the previous pictures (she looked so ghetto before).

Kerrigan was always hot. She's just hotter now.

[Random]

they should just give terrans spider mines and call it a day

Shredder is pretty good.

GSL finals in a few minutes! :D

[Cucurbita]

Shredder is pretty good.

GSL finals in a few minutes! :D

Shredder going to be "burrowed?" If not its kinda pointless.

[BobYoMeowMeow]

Shredders are like the motion detectors but worse
you can only use it if there's disposable income or a good investment
150 min 150 gas is not a good investment for "map vision" that's gonna die

hell overlords cost 100 minerals

[Random]

Shredder going to be "burrowed?" If not its kinda pointless.

You didn't watch them talk about the shredder? It's going to be pretty good on big maps.


Shredders are like the motion detectors but worse
you can only use it if there's disposable income or a good investment
150 min 150 gas is not a good investment for "map vision" that's gonna die

hell overlords cost 100 minerals

Overlords don't do AoE damage over a decent sized area and decent attack speed.

I always thought Kerrigan was hotter with red hair and holy crap people love John the translator.

[EndlessDreams]

I am very disappoint that the finals of GSL is another Terran vs Terran.

@TA, where all that new information coming form? Or is it something people made up?

[TA]

I think SC1 Kerrigan was the absolute hottest. I had the hugest girl crush on her. Then with Wings of Liberty they made her face and nose fatter and overall much less pretty. She looks pretty in that video preview though...

[Cucurbita]

You didn't watch them talk about the shredder? It's going to be pretty good on big maps.

Nope.

Care to explain?

[Random]

I think SC1 Kerrigan was the absolute hottest. I had the hugest girl crush on her. Then with Wings of Liberty they made her face and nose fatter and overall much less pretty. She looks pretty in that video preview though...

I wasn't that big of a fan of her hair in SC1.


I am very disappoint that the finals of GSL is another Terran vs Terran.

@TA, where all that new information coming form? Or is it something people made up?

Most of the stuff she said about the issues of each race and how Blizzard tried to fix them are from the developers at Blizzcon. A couple of the things she said about the new zerg stuff are a little different from what I've heard/read.

[Cucurbita]

I am very disappoint that the finals of GSL is another Terran vs Terran.

@TA, where all that new information coming form? Or is it something people made up?

Nope, sounds accurate to everything I've heard and seen so far.

[Random]

Nope.

Care to explain?

Its main function is to hold choke points rather than leaving a tank to get sniped or making a bunker. Obviously this isn't really something that's good on smaller maps or when you have enough siege tanks to hold half the map.

[EndlessDreams]

Nope, sounds accurate to everything I've heard and seen so far.

But wheres the information that you heard/seen? Did they officially posted it somewhere?
(I did not watch earlier parts of Blizcon)

[Cucurbita]

Its main function is to hold choke points rather than leaving a tank to get sniped or making a bunker. Obviously this isn't really something that's good on smaller maps or when you have enough siege tanks to hold half the map.

I mean, is it burrowed? Or is it exposed?

[Random]

I mean, is it burrowed? Or is it exposed?

Exposed.



Holy **** that was a good game between MMA and MVP.

[TA]

Source: http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/blog/3768748/StarCraft_II_Multiplayer_Panel_at_BlizzCon_2011-10_21_2011#blog

Definitely not made up lol.

edit: btw, where can I see these matches you guys are on about?

[EndlessDreams]

Source: http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/blog/3768748/StarCraft_II_Multiplayer_Panel_at_BlizzCon_2011-10_21_2011#blog

Definitely not made up lol.

edit: btw, where can I see these matches you guys are on about?

Was on Blizzard stream. If you miss it, it will be on gomtv.net as well.
(Under the GSL Code S finals)

[BobYoMeowMeow]

I think SC1 Kerrigan was the absolute hottest. I had the hugest girl crush on her. Then with Wings of Liberty they made her face and nose fatter and overall much less pretty. She looks pretty in that video preview though...

Agreed
SC1 Kerrigan is best

[Random]

The finals for both tournaments were so good.

[Cucurbita]

Infested Kerrigan was beyond hot in Broodwar.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090504015757/starcraft/images/1/18/InfestedSarahKerrigan_SC1_Art3.png

They freaking gave her like, a zerg one piece. This is sexy.

http://spawnkill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sarah-kerrigan.jpg

I don't know if thats blood or some other zerg liquid running down her mouth, but it appeals to my fetish.

Personally didn't like how they changed her overall body construct for SC2, but they gave her a pretty solid behind regardless.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WnKhra7YLkM/SkiqAFJzH5I/AAAAAAAACkc/7PuNoIY5QjU/s400/Kerrigan_10.jpg

I... kinda wanna touch it.

[TA]

hnnnnng

http://i56.tinypic.com/2d933hg.jpg

:blood: