[G16s2] Lets Talk about the Alchemy and Magic Buffs.

[Tropa]

As we all Know about the Alchemy and Magic casting speed increased, what are your opinions?

and lol faster Fireballs.


But.. mOst important(To me) 1.2load time Watercannon! <3<3

[Oizen]

Water Canon is probably now insane.

Right now, you can use it to pretty much solo anything 1v1 and not get hit, but with an even faster load time.

Oh joy.

[Paradise]

with my lag, this gives water cannon a use for me, finally
About magic, fast fireballs sound sexy, another reason to r1 it

[Kaeporo]

It's pretty broken.


Ice Spear - 1.5 seconds (Absolutely ridiculous. You probably charge three times during the standby period.)
Thunder - 3 seconds (A little crazy but perhaps Thunder could use the buff)
Fireball - 4 seconds (12 second Fireball, yep)
Icebolt - 0.75 seconds (I'm actually quite happy about this. Icebolt needed some love.)
Lightning Bolt - 1 second (w/e)
Firebolt - 1.5 seconds (Why use Firebolt when you could use Ice Spear?)


Summon Golem - 3 seconds (w/e)
Shock - 2 seconds (w/e)
Water Cannon - 1.2 seconds (Tropacat needed some love anyway.)
Sand Burst - 1.5 seconds (w/e)
Flame Burst - 1.5 seconds? (This is pretty broken.)

IMO, the following would be better.

Ice Spear - 2 seconds
Thunder - 3.25 seconds
Fireball - 4.5 seconds
Icebolt - 0.75 seconds
Lightning Bolt - 1 second
Firebolt - 1.5 seconds

[Zyrus]

I like the idea of 14.8 second fireballs (my wand is -36% charging time). I might actually make a watercannon set with that change. Flameburst speed? Love it. Feeling good to be a hybrid with alchemy and magic skills right now.

1 sec lightening bolt. Win.

I hope to see more. Still hoping for more ADV magics.

[Justified]

IMO, the following would be better.

Ice Spear - 2 seconds
Thunder - 3.25 seconds
Fireball - 4.5 seconds
Icebolt - 0.75 seconds
Lightning Bolt - 1 second
Firebolt - 1.5 seconds

Don't see why IS wouldn't get a buff if you're still buffing the other two.

Actually, this is the first time that DevCat has ever skimped on the lightning love.
33% boost to IS, 25% to FB, and only 17% to TH.
100% to IB, 33% to FB, 50% to LB.

That IS buff might trump Hailstorm usage in typical situations. There's no longer a need to hope for a crit-OHKO to keep things nice and clean, now that the refire rate is so high. Finally a use for all those MP pots.

[Azareel]

I'm liking the speeds for ice magic in general. The fireball speed makes it easier to use, so I'm all for that.
No real opinion on Alchemy buffs.

Huzzah.

[iloveyou]

Don't see why IS wouldn't get a buff if you're still buffing the other two.

Actually, this is the first time that DevCat has ever skimped on the lightning love.
33% boost to IS, 25% to FB, and only 17% to TH.
100% to IB, 33% to FB, 50% to LB.

That IS buff might trump Hailstorm usage in typical situations. There's no longer a need to hope for a crit-OHKO to keep things nice and clean, now that the refire rate is so high. Finally a use for all those MP pots.
It clear that Devcat love Ice magic. I mean they're boosting Ice spear, which is already overpower currently. The cast time of ice bolt is just hella fast too.
Hailstorm need a buff. Make no sense buffing all bolts, and int magics but not adv magic.

Offtopic : What happen to your char bro ?? Lol.

[Azareel]

The cast time of ice bolt is just hella fast too.

Icebolt has needed that for quite some time.

What needs more love are the nonexistant fire and lightning staff spells.

[Zid]

That Ice Magic. Aw, yeah.

Spam away~

[truefire]

33% boost to IS, 25% to FB, and only 17% to TH.
100% to IB, 33% to FB, 50% to LB.

Geez. With those sorts of changes, they might actually reduce or remove entirely Blaze's cooldown. x_X

[NomadTrooper]

Why make Ice Spear even stronger? It's already stronger then the rest, and has the best aggro control. And that's before Rosemary gloves.

5 charged Ice/lighting in 5 seconds.
Chain cast Fire bolt will be stronger then elf magnum shot.

[Paradise]

Chain cast Fire bolt will be stronger then elf magnum shot.

but elf magnum doesn't drain you battery that fast, while 4cc firebolt does, and no, no one wants to use a -mp% -%damage wand/set

[Azareel]

but elf magnum doesn't drain you battery that fast

Mages are actually robots?

(2:00-2:03)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hay33ndHjwk

[Paradise]

Mages are actually robots?
(2:00-2:03)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hay33ndHjwk

why not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNU1UDMGB7Q

yup everything makes sense forever O.o

[Aubog007]

ice bolt spam in duels! go go.

[Paradise]

ice bolt spam in duels! go go.

now it will be called icebolt machinegun, oh god x.x evg will be the hell

[Tropa]

now it will be called icebolt machinegun, oh god x.x evg will be the hell

*Rubs hands together deviously*

[Romanji]

I figured everyone had an ice-bolt dmg redux set for them wyvern hunt sessions...people try to camp with ice-bolt but 1dmg can only do so much

[Paradise]

I figured everyone had an ice-bolt dmg redux set for them wyvern hunt sessions...people try to camp with ice-bolt but 1dmg can only do so much

well, being deadly wont take long to die , regardless the damage, and you know how evg's revive doesn't heal wounds xD

[Romanji]

well, being deadly wont take long to die , regardless the damage, and you know how evg's revive doesn't heal wounds xD
I've been knocked around by 12 1's several times EvG revving and not been instakilled :U

[Paradise]

I've been knocked around by 12 1's several times EvG revving and not been instakilled :U

well i never evg on my giant so i cant tel if 5 bolts kills me xD
but as an elf or human, theres a point you get 5hp as you revive, then 5 bolts will make you deadly or kill you, well maybe having luck shooting before they load the next bolt while you are deadly should do it, but my elf doesnt have ice clothes so she dies in 1 or 2 bolts xD oh well

[Tropa]

well i never evg on my giant so i cant tel if 5 bolts kills me xD
but as an elf or human, theres a point you get 5hp as you revive, then 5 bolts will make you deadly or kill you, well maybe having luck shooting before they load the next bolt while you are deadly should do it, but my elf doesnt have ice clothes so she dies in 1 or 2 bolts xD oh well

In EvG you usually always have 5 hp(Due to archers/AR spammers.)

[Romanji]

well i never evg on my giant so i cant tel if 5 bolts kills me xD
but as an elf or human, theres a point you get 5hp as you revive, then 5 bolts will make you deadly or kill you, well maybe having luck shooting before they load the next bolt while you are deadly should do it, but my elf doesnt have ice clothes so she dies in 1 or 2 bolts xD oh well

wait... so your characters aren't deleted? I am confuse

[Paradise]

wait... so your characters aren't deleted? I am confuse

Nexon undeleted them for no reason (that or Kevin did cancell the deletion) i even got a mail talking about it as they were deleted by hackers
dunno rly what happened

ne ways, since that happened, my chars have no more bugs, so whatever happened, im okay with it xD
i wasn't able to load skills or move to another map

[Romanji]

Nexon undeleted them for no reason (that or Kevin did cancell the deletion) i even got a mail talking about it as they were deleted by hackers
dunno rly what happened

ne ways, since that happened, my chars have no more bugs, so whatever happened, im okay with it xD
i wasn't able to load skills or move to another map

so whats your IGN?and server... and destiny... and TTL(currently)... and do you play regularly...ie... ROMANJI WANT YOU TO EDIT YO PROFILE INFO SO YO CAN GET YO ASS STALKED BY HIM

[Paradise]

so whats your IGN?and server... and destiny... and TTL(currently)... and do you play regularly...ie... ROMANJI WANT YOU TO EDIT YO PROFILE INFO SO YO CAN GET YO ASS STALKED BY HIM

done, and be gentle with my elf NO LETS KILL KILL TILL THE SCREEN IS ALL RED YOU CAN CAMP CAUSE WHEN YOUR ARMS ARE TIRED OF CLICKING ILL STALK YOUUUUUUU jk

i have to rank my elf's evade to do a double barrelroll with this update

[Azareel]

In EvG you usually always have 5 hp(Due to archers/AR spammers.)

One of the penalties for death of any kind is taking additional wounds. It's not necessarily the fault of an archer.


well, being deadly wont take long to die , regardless the damage, and you know how evg's revive doesn't heal wounds xD

EvG revive heals up to 5 wound. You will always revive with 5 HP.
With 100% ice resist, you'll need to be hit by ~5 icebolts to die again.

[Kenero]

Dunno how this can make flame OP. Even with 1.5s load time, it just "balances" the skill.

[Paradise]

EvG revive heals up to 5 wound. You will always revive with 5 HP.
With 100% ice resist, you'll need to be hit by ~5 icebolts to die again.

lagless players will stand up b4 they load icebolt 5 times
i will stand up to get those 5 xD oh well ill just pray for a random evg player to save me :3

[Tropa]

lagless players will stand up b4 they load icebolt 5 times
i will stand up to get those 5 xD oh well ill just pray for a random evg player to save me :3

You know, You can always Hit me up, I mostly take EvG requests.

[iloveyou]

Dunno how this can make flame OP. Even with 1.5s load time, it just "balances" the skill.

Normal attack --> Flameburst --> Cancel before flame end --> Normal attack --> repeat ? :D

Super stunlock.

[Chiyuri]

My Ice Laught in the face of full ice protection. It will penetrate even the strongess ice defence you got..
I tested it with Kenero so she can vouch for it as well

[Romanji]

My Ice Laught in the face of full ice protection. It will penetrate even the strongess ice defence you got..
I tested it with Kenero so she can vouch for it as well

... 100% ice resistance is 100% ice resistance...

[Azareel]

... 100% ice resistance is 100% ice resistance...

I recall research done on that a while back. Turns out it's not perfect resistance. If it were 100%, all ice attacks would do 1.
Except the attacks were shown to also do other numbers.

I honestly don't remember exactly, though.

[Kaeporo]

... 100% ice resistance is 100% ice resistance...

~11% elemental resistance per item
Maximum total of nine equipped items
~99% maximum elemental protection

There seem to be some odd deviations to this mechanic every now and then.

[Syrion]

Normal attack --> Flameburst --> Cancel before flame end --> Normal attack --> repeat ? :D

Super stunlock.

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[NomadTrooper]

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Monsters don't have instant load times. Unless, you mean PvP. then I'll have to remind that this is Mabinogi.

[Tiiria]

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Wait what?

[Justified]

~11% elemental resistance per item
Maximum total of nine equipped items
~99% maximum elemental protection

There seem to be some odd deviations to this mechanic every now and then.

11.1111...% x 9 = 100%
Easily proven by tanking Thunder and Fireball in Peaca/Arena. There is no debate to this whatsoever.

When Int was changed to MATK, things started getting funky in PvP, and I don't know if they've been resolved yet. Regardless, it's still a 100% elemental resistance, there's just some other player stat that is surpassing it.


It clear that Devcat love Ice magic. I mean they're boosting Ice spear, which is already overpower currently. The cast time of ice bolt is just hella fast too.
Hailstorm need a buff. Make no sense buffing all bolts, and int magics but not adv magic.

DevCat has always pandered to Lightning. From Dittes wand being the first and only special wand (before Metal Wands, Querces/etc Wands, and Fairy Wands). Lightning and Thunder having the highest original enchant damage efficiency, Thunder being able to chain through walls, the joke of a collection quest for Thunder being half as long as the other 2 and extremely common, etc.

Plus, the buffs to Bolt Magic warrants a buff to Magic Shields. Shields were capable of easily trumping bolt locking for anybody with half a mind to use them, but now they're nowhere near fast enough.

[Elleanior]

~11% elemental resistance per item
Maximum total of nine equipped items
~99% maximum elemental protection

There seem to be some odd deviations to this mechanic every now and then.
So close, but so far. If you could do 100%, that'd be unfair.

[NomadTrooper]

So close, but so far. If you could do 100%, that'd be unfair.
-100% damage + 1
Really.

[Elleanior]

-100% damage + 1
Really.
That +1 is such a troll! :whistle:

[Chiyuri]

11.1111...% x 9 = 100%
Easily proven by tanking Thunder and Fireball in Peaca/Arena. There is no debate to this whatsoever.

When Int was changed to MATK, things started getting funky in PvP, and I don't know if they've been resolved yet. Regardless, it's still a 100% elemental resistance, there's just some other player stat that is surpassing it.



DevCat has always pandered to Lightning. From Dittes wand being the first and only special wand (before Metal Wands, Querces/etc Wands, and Fairy Wands). Lightning and Thunder having the highest original enchant damage efficiency, Thunder being able to chain through walls, the joke of a collection quest for Thunder being half as long as the other 2 and extremely common, etc.

Plus, the buffs to Bolt Magic warrants a buff to Magic Shields. Shields were capable of easily trumping bolt locking for anybody with half a mind to use them, but now they're nowhere near fast enough.

So it's normal that a player with no damage or int based enchants is able to deal around 200 damage with one hailstorm crystal on a player with said "100%" ice resistance? Also that is non-critical damage.. dunno how the critical would be like.

[Azareel]

Maybe Hailstorm just likes defying logic.

[Chiyuri]

Maybe Hailstorm just likes defying logic.

on a side note peopel tried to use hailstorm on me and it only does 1 damage.
Maybe it's just my hailstorm that is too strong.

[Azareel]

on a side note peopel tried to use hailstorm on me and it only does 1 damage.
Maybe it's just my hailstorm that is too strong.

Of the people I've seen use Hailstorm, only about 1 out of 20 have one that isn't weak as crap. Just a bit worse than the intermediate spells.

[Maenad]

So it's normal that a player with no damage or int based enchants is able to deal around 200 damage with one hailstorm crystal on a player with said "100%" ice resistance? Also that is non-critical damage.. dunno how the critical would be like.

My r1 Hailstorm, r1 Ice Mastery, +40% damage staff, and 700 INT only pulls off a ~30 non crit on full ice enchantment with 5 charges. That person was probably lying.

[Chiyuri]

My r1 Hailstorm, r1 Ice Mastery, +40% damage staff, and 700 INT only pulls off a ~30 non crit on full ice enchantment with 5 charges. That person was probably lying.

I haven't tested it since G13. I should probably test it again.

[Chiyuri]

Ok so.. I retested it...

2 ice acessories
one ice helmet
One ice weapon
One ice shield
One ice clothing
One ice glove
One ice boot
One ice robe
Total, 9 ice equipment on Kenero

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k497/Chiyuriyami/mabinogi_2012_03_24_002.jpg

Somehow now it's 600 damage peircing full ice protection <.<

[Maenad]

Ok so.. I retested it...

2 ice acessories
one ice helmet
One ice weapon
One ice shield
One ice clothing
One ice glove
One ice boot
One ice robe
Total, 9 ice equipment on Kenero

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k497/Chiyuriyami/mabinogi_2012_03_24_002.jpg

Somehow now it's 600 damage peircing full ice protection <.<

Maybe it's broken or something, I distinctly remember testing it and doing much lower.

[Chiyuri]

Maybe it's broken or something, I distinctly remember testing it and doing much lower.

My ice is just epic.
Ice Witch, you can't protect yourself against them.

[Lan]

My ice is just epic.
Ice Witch, you can't protect yourself against them.

Unless you snipe them first :D

[Chiyuri]

Unless you snipe them first :D

Some guy once tried that along with something call Dll hack or some sort of name like that. Let him 100% aim hit me all the time..
He ended up begging bystander to use ice shield over him after 15 minutes of non-stop ice spearing....

[NomadTrooper]

They did change magic formulas recently so this warrants more testing. Using all spells.

[Justified]

So it's normal that a player with no damage or int based enchants is able to deal around 200 damage with one hailstorm crystal on a player with said "100%" ice resistance? Also that is non-critical damage.. dunno how the critical would be like.

Player stats =/= exclusively Player enchants

The fact stands than you can reduce any and all magic attacks (sans ultimates like Dragons) in PvE to 1 damage, meaning it is a definite 100% protection. But of course ignoring that part of my post and only reading the part you like works too.

[Perfectio]

11.1111...% x 9 = 100%
Easily proven by tanking Thunder and Fireball in Peaca/Arena. There is no debate to this whatsoever.

You do realize that 11.111~ x 9 can never *actually* equal 100% right, especially considering Mabi rounds down by default? Depending on the number of digits after the decimal point, a very, very powerful ice attack (such as an end-game hailstorm) can easily punch through full ice enchants.

[Chiyuri]

You do realize that 11.111~ x 9 can never *actually* equal 100% right, especially considering Mabi rounds down by default? Depending on the number of digits after the decimal point, a very, very powerful ice attack (such as an end-game hailstorm) can easily punch through full ice enchants.

Oh I'm not end-game hailstorm using yet.
My int is just a little above 500 and I don't use rosemary gloves yet..

[Justified]

You do realize that 11.111~ x 9 can never *actually* equal 100% right, especially considering Mabi rounds down by default? Depending on the number of digits after the decimal point, a very, very powerful ice attack (such as an end-game hailstorm) can easily punch through full ice enchants.

1. Go learn basic limits/convergence, because the first part of your first sentence is wrong, and a repeating remainder is exactly equal to its "rounded" counterpart.

2. Go learn Mabi mechanics, because the second part of your first sentence is wrong, and Mabi does not always round numbers except when it actually displays them.

3. Go learn basic algebra, because your second sentence is wrong, and it'd take over 60,000 damage to break that kind of protection at 99%, and over 600,000 damage to break 99.9%.

[Azareel]

So, either the elemental system has some weird flaw, or Hailstorm isn't 100% ice.

[radionoise]

As was already stated, player stat is affecting the damage... be it special upgrade, title, weapon or magic attack related.

[Azareel]

As was already stated, player stat is affecting the damage... be it special upgrade, title, weapon or magic attack related.

Seemed more like speculation to me.
I haven't seen any of the other spells do more than 1s to a full (matching) elemental set. May go test this for myself later.

[Justified]

Seemed more like speculation to me.
I haven't seen any of the other spells do more than 1s to a full (matching) elemental spell. May go test this for myself later.

Mostly because nobody cares enough about PvP in NA. There's almost no strategy at all (let alone defensive tactics), so nobody wears full elemental gear.

IIRC Ice Spear does similar damage through 100% Prot, and Icebolt also pierces to a much lesser extent.

[Aubog007]

So, either the elemental system has some weird flaw, or Hailstorm isn't 100% ice.

Or perhaps it's not actually 99%, sure you could take 1's in other situations, but is this damage deducted before or after defense.