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http://news.mmosite.com/content/2010-08-24/vindictus_kr_updated_league_system,1.shtml
http://mabination.com/vindictus/media/6941-mabinogi-heroes-episode-6-new-town-pally-dk.html
http://mabination.com/vindictus/vindictus-guides/7580-guide-transformations.html
Paladin Transformation - Vindictus Wiki (http://www.vindictuswiki.com/wiki/Paladin_Transformation)
Dark Knight Transformation - Vindictus Wiki (http://www.vindictuswiki.com/wiki/Dark_Knight_Transformation)
Paladins and Dark Knights come out in Episode 6, but since they're statistically different than in Mabinogi (Paladins are more defensive, Dark Knights are more offensive), I thought it'd be nice to ask the question for Vindictus.
Which league do you prefer once transformations come out?
Also, since we're in early access beta with more people, which class do you prefer more? I'm asking this so I can see if what class you are influences your decision on what transformation league you prefer now and later on.
Mabbi
09-21-2010, 02:47 PM
I prefer to go the twin spear>dark knight route. Dealing as much offensive damage as possible before the trans goes out. ^~^
Science
09-21-2010, 02:48 PM
Paladin since Fiona has sub-par DPS, so why use it too much :p
Paladin, Fiona.
Just because I'm a Paladin freak in every game where something Paladin related exists.
Trevor
09-21-2010, 03:24 PM
Even though I'm a DK in normal mabi I'm going with Fiona Paladin
Invertex
09-21-2010, 03:47 PM
Paladin Fiona.
Since Dark Knight is ugly.
Ketchup
09-21-2010, 03:48 PM
Dark knight lann due to that damage you can deal
Timotei
09-21-2010, 04:40 PM
Paladin for Fiona since she has a sword and a shield which fits the theme.
DK for my future Evie since shes gonna get a scythe
and when Kai comes out, I bet hes going to have a different trans then the rest because I don't see how a paladin or a dark knight would fit with a bow, hes probably going to turn into a bear :U
Athde
09-21-2010, 04:43 PM
DK Lann, super-long swords FTW!!!
But if Kai comes out, Imma chose him XD
Okami
09-21-2010, 04:52 PM
Unlike my Champion self in Mabinogi, I will be going Dark Knight Lann in Vindictus.
Sinned
09-21-2010, 05:25 PM
Dark Knight probably for my Lann
Fast consecutive hitting makes hp drain more fun :>
no info on those posts about paladin skills though..
Bankai231
09-21-2010, 05:48 PM
Defense lover but I picked lann cause hes a guy. Gonna be a tough choice :l
Moppy
09-21-2010, 06:21 PM
Dark Knight Lann.
As for Evie, I'm unsure. I'm assuming that her magic gets a attack boost from DK so DK Evie for now.
Chockeh
09-21-2010, 08:40 PM
Dark Night Dual-Blade Lann.
Ruquion
09-21-2010, 08:53 PM
DK for Twin Spear Lann, since Liberate requires HP to cast and DKs get to absorb HP
paladin
09-21-2010, 08:54 PM
Dk Lann
Deadly blades of high speed darkness seem delicious
Dk Lann for me, it seems to be the popular trend XD
What's everyone gonna do with Evy when she's out? I can't see an obvious choice for her
Chockeh
09-21-2010, 08:58 PM
I really don't know much about Evie, but if she's like the kinda of mage that stays far from the boss, probably DK for offensive powers?
Andy-Buddy
09-21-2010, 09:10 PM
I was tempted to make a DK Fiona, but her shield looks ugly.
First/Third person Kai, if the archery system is like that, because it will require real genuine skill. Until then sword lann (with the spear option for select occasions) with dark knight.
no info on those posts about paladin skills though..
Paladins' special skill lets them fully recover their party members at the cost of their lives, I think.
Yeah, I know. Sounds fitting anyway.
I'm assuming that her magic gets an attack boost from DK so DK Evie for now.
Both Paladin and Dark Knight transformations give a boost to the Magic Attack stat, but Dark Knights give more of a boost, since they're offensive.
Invertex
09-21-2010, 09:43 PM
Paladins' special skill lets them fully recover their party members at the cost of their lives, I think.
Yeah, I know. Sounds fitting anyway.
That actually sounds pretty useful in a party, and when you're at like 1 HP.
Ruquion
09-21-2010, 09:52 PM
What's everyone gonna do with Evy when she's out? I can't see an obvious choice for her
Paladin for Stave Evy and DK for Scyth Evy
Fracture
09-21-2010, 10:09 PM
DK as Lann. Two minutes of 1000-Needle'ing, close on boss before trans ends, slash for epic damage?
BobYoMeowMeow
09-21-2010, 10:40 PM
Dark Knight >:3
with wings
woohoohelloppl
09-21-2010, 11:31 PM
Not too sure, but I'm leaning towards DK Lann at the moment. Self-destructing is tempting though..
December
09-21-2010, 11:49 PM
From what I hear:
Fiona -> Pally
Lann -> DK
Evie -> DK?
Butttttt, I want the archer guy ._.
Andy-Buddy
09-22-2010, 12:29 AM
Is there any news on Karok?
Arsik
09-22-2010, 05:33 PM
Is there any news on Karok?
Karok is probably a character that can swing either way. He uses the giant weapons, so he has awesome damage, so DK would suit him well, while he also is probably also able to wear Plate Armor like Fiona (<Assumption) to match his massive body, so being a Pally to become a super tank would also suit him. But if he's restricted to just Heavy Armor, then I would probably just make him a DK.
And all of that is assuming that he doesn't get a Savage Beast like transformation since he's the Giant of this game, while Kai is the Elf of it.
Silverkun
09-23-2010, 10:51 AM
Lann, Dual Spear, Dark Knight. Just because it's ugly doesn't mean it can't be badass.
phantur
09-23-2010, 08:04 PM
Fiona DK most likely... Self Destruction doesn't suit me but I admit Pally does look better...
I guess whatever one makes her butt look better.
Polls show that more voters chose Paladins than Dark Knights.
At the same time though, most of the posts on this thread correlate as:
If player is using Fiona, player would choose Paladin
If player is using Lann, player would choose Dark Knight
Some of you said choosing Dark Knight will draw out extreme power as Lann uses his DPS moves. Also for HP recovery. I don't see a concrete support for why Fiona players should become Paladins though, besides aesthetics.
The main point is though, it seems as if whatever class the player chose actually has influences over the choice of either being Paladin or Dark Knight. At least for Lann characters. Interesting design choice by devCAT.
Ruquion
09-29-2010, 11:39 AM
At the same time though, most of the posts on this thread correlate as:
If player is using Fiona, player would choose Paladin
If player is using Lann, player would choose Dark Knight
Some of you said choosing Dark Knight will draw out extreme power as Lann uses his DPS moves. Also for HP recovery. I don't see a concrete support for why Fiona players should become Paladins though, besides aesthetics.
Most people recommend specialization these days, so that may be why.
Lanns have good damage, so they go DK to make it even better. Spear Lanns also benefit from the heals as Liberate consumes HP.
If there is only one person left alive in a party, that person is usually a Fiona. Also, when Fionas become Paladins, they get a defense boost. Therefore Fionas benefit the party more when they're a Paladin.
eoneagle
09-29-2010, 06:46 PM
Most people recommend specialization these days, so that may be why.
Lanns have good damage, so they go DK to make it even better. Spear Lanns also benefit from the heals as Liberate consumes HP.
If there is only one person left alive in a party, that person is usually a Fiona. Also, when Fionas become Paladins, they get a defense boost. Therefore Fionas benefit the party more when they're a Paladin.
And when fiona is the only one alive, she can go BOOM and revive everyone :D
(maybe)
I play Fiona and want to use hammers so I'm probably going to choose Dark Knight for maximum destruction. I don't really know why I would want a defense boost when I already have good defense and a shield to block with. Also the transformation only lasts two minutes so I'd rather do as much damage as possible in those two minutes. If I need help from the Paladin transformation to stay alive for two minutes of a boss fight then I'm just going to lose anyway when it ends. Really, the only way I could see myself going Paladin is if the amount of defense or other abilities allow me to wail on a boss near unhindered so that it negates the need for a damage increase by working out to do around the same amount of damage. As far as bringing teammates back to life...why would I want to blow myself up when I could just use a party revival feather? They really shouldn't be getting wiped in the first place anyhow.
I just can't help but think how powerful a fully charged hammer 4xL+R from a Dark Knight might be. :punch:
Andy-Buddy
09-29-2010, 07:48 PM
I'll have to see what Large Shields do before I make my decision.
If I'm able just to sit there with Heavy Stander to tank everything, that might change my mind.
eoneagle
09-29-2010, 08:06 PM
I play Fiona and want to use hammers so I'm probably going to choose Dark Knight for maximum destruction. I don't really know why I would want a defense boost when I already have good defense and a shield to block with. Also the transformation only lasts two minutes so I'd rather do as much damage as possible in those two minutes. If I need help from the Paladin transformation to stay alive for two minutes of a boss fight then I'm just going to lose anyway when it ends. Really, the only way I could see myself going Paladin is if the amount of defense or other abilities allow me to wail on a boss near unhindered so that it negates the need for a damage increase by working out to do around the same amount of damage. As far as bringing teammates back to life...why would I want to blow myself up when I could just use a party revival feather? They really shouldn't be getting wiped in the first place anyhow.
I just can't help but think how powerful a fully charged hammer 4xL+R from a Dark Knight might be. :punch:
Cause booming is so much cooler than a little party feather:thumb:
Ruquion
09-29-2010, 09:18 PM
Party Feathers take ~4-5 seconds to activate, I'm guessing that the boom would be instant or something, or why would they bother making it? .__ .
eoneagle
09-29-2010, 09:20 PM
The Paladin boom-revive skill probably gives the party members some kind of insane buff?
Hiccup
09-29-2010, 11:30 PM
Paladin <3
DK's look so fugly in both games
It seems like everyone thinks the Dark Knight is ugly. I think it's really cool personally. It reminds me of Venom and Carnage from Spider Man.
MidnightKaz
10-01-2010, 04:01 AM
Pali for fiona maybe dk for evie still thinking about this one lol
Manic
10-01-2010, 05:13 AM
Dark Knight for my Fiona. Though, that might change once I'm higher level and know the skills.
Spartaaaaa
10-05-2010, 04:13 PM
Paladin because that's what my human is on Mabi.
It seems like everyone thinks the Dark Knight is ugly. I think it's really cool personally. It reminds me of Venom and Carnage from Spider Man.
Exactly what my gf said! XD
I'd go DK for Lann, and maybe Paladin for Evie, as I do like how it looks...
I just read the descriptions... You'd have to be one massive masochist to want to be a Paladin. Forget that... Dark Knight all the way.
Players who transform into a Dark Knight will be in a high damage dealing position within the party. Once transformed into a Dark Knight, the player will gain large bonuses to combat attributes, allowing them to be of even more use when dealing with difficult encounters. Additionally, the player assuming the role of a Dark Knight will be able to steal the life force of an enemy for themselves.
Nice...
nice...
nice.
A Paladin's role is to support of the party and play as the tank. Once transformed into a Paladin, the user will gain a huge defense boost to help support the user in battle. Also Paladins have a unique ability in which when other party members are about to die, the user is able to self destruct and heal everybody else in the party. Roles can vary depending on each class(will edit with more info later)
k...
nice...
wait, wtf?! uncool.
I just read the descriptions... You'd have to be one massive masochist to want to be a Paladin. Forget that... Dark Knight all the way.
k...
nice...
wait, wtf?! uncool.
I lol'd at description.
I would love doing extra damage, but I also love how Evie looks in paladin.
Dammit, I hate hard decisions..
Killing yourself to revive 11 people (in a 12 person raid) sounds mighty useful. Any of those now resurrected people can just go ress you easily.
Still going pally.
Or could use a Party Feather :C..
I just hope that, the Paladin will still get useful Abilities.. Also, I know that the extra attack that deals lots of damage, costs a chunk out of your HP bar Lol.
Edit: And for Fiona, the choice is simple though xD Its Paladin
Paladins sound really great for party play. But I guess what you choose is preference, much like what class and what weapon type you're choosing.
But Paladin's special skill sounds really situational, and is akin to just using a Party Phoenix Feather.
Paladins sound really great for party play. But I guess what you choose is preference, much like what class and what weapon type you're choosing.
But Paladin's special skill sounds really situational, and is akin to just using a Party Phoenix Feather.
Though I am very interested in this explosion effect, wiping mobs with a Big Bang would be so fun....
ME: OH HAI GUYZ YOU KILL MY FWIENDS1!?!
Mobs: HEEEYYAAAAAAAA
ME:..... *BOOM*
Bear: RAWRRRRRrrrr.... *fallsover*
IceBlade
10-06-2010, 04:53 PM
Killing yourself to revive 11 people (in a 12 person raid) sounds mighty useful. Any of those now resurrected people can just go ress you easily.
Still going pally.
Doesn't it say heal everyone, not resurrect?
I don't think healing the party at the cost of your life is such a great skill. But if you're going to die anyway, then you might as well use it as a last ditched effort.
zippo718
10-06-2010, 07:23 PM
Is it me or are the stats between the 2 transformations really unbalanced?
I dunno, I really don't see any reason anyone would want to go Paladin over Dark Knight. The stats and benefits are just way better for Dark Knight and it isn't a masochist.
Lukeal
10-29-2010, 11:33 PM
Well Dark knights are an offensive class really. Paladins have always been defensive mainly. In mabinogi its clearly seen that dark knights were intended for all out offense and so in vindictus. But also i heard that dark knights have their own self destruct just like pallies. Except this 1 blows u up and pretty much oblivirates anything close to you. Massive damage. So its for a last ditch effort in taking down the boss. *If im going down ur going down with me* XD
Hiccup
10-30-2010, 01:57 AM
I dunno, I really don't see any reason anyone would want to go Paladin over Dark Knight. The stats and benefits are just way better for Dark Knight and it isn't a masochist.
Besides the blatant fact that Dark Knights are freaking ugly
Immie
10-30-2010, 03:56 AM
This just in: Dark Knights are way cooler.
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae189/msupdate/Vindictus/MabiHeroes_DrK4.jpg
Though I'm still undecided what to do with my Lann. Infinite stamina = spinnyspinny all day for either class... and I'm not too sure the DK has the damage advantage; If the hurricane has a chance to proc paladin missiles, there might be a whole lot of hurt flying around even if the direct damage is less.
I might just go paladin because I'd be the only dual spear paladin Lann in the game. :D
I think the DK's look really cool lol.
Icegoten
10-30-2010, 09:34 AM
Paladin!
I usually have gone with offensive roles in many other games and rarely have I ever picked to be something defensive so this is my chance.
Kuchibashi
10-30-2010, 09:46 AM
Besides the blatant fact that Dark Knights are freaking ugly
This, seriously. My girlfriend plays Lann and she'd rather go Paladin with me, eschewing the DPS boost because we can't stand the designs. Don't want to look like Venom, thanks. :|
BobYoMeowMeow
10-30-2010, 07:28 PM
Paladin Sword Fiona
Paladin Scythe Evy
the cat was already dark knight in mabinogi
Andy-Buddy
10-31-2010, 12:31 AM
I've seen Paladins releasing orbs when hitting.
What are these, and what are their benefits?
5:25 of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wih8LEsLJHA
Teaberry
11-01-2010, 12:05 PM
Since my Fiona pretty much put every AP into defensive skills, I think I'll have to go Paladin on this character. I'm usually not a fan of Paladins lore-wise in any game and prefer the Dark Knights, but the extra DPS isn't really going to help her skill set.
heretic304
11-03-2010, 01:03 PM
I'm sure you'll have enough skills in her offense by the time paladin comes out >_> I mean... we still have 3 episodes before we even see the Paladins and Dark Knights xD
Darkwolf30
11-03-2010, 01:29 PM
I am going for Dark Knight just because being all black and venom looking is awesome :P
whocares8128
11-17-2010, 03:53 PM
For those who think Dark Knights look bad, I offer these direct links:
http://img2.mmo.mmo4arab.com/news/2010/08/24/vindictus/leaguesys05.jpg
http://img1.mmo.mmo4arab.com/news/2010/08/24/vindictus/leaguesys04.jpg
I guess whatever one makes her butt look better.
For Evie, I'd definitely pick Dark Knight then. :2thumb:
Plus, how cool would it be to have a scythe made of darkness? :lol:
Applejack
11-17-2010, 06:30 PM
Dark Night - Lann/Eive
Paladin - Fiona
Aryiane
03-20-2011, 09:04 PM
Evie scythe - Paladin(actually I'm not entirely sure about this...DK might be ugly buuuuut...)
Fiona hammer - Dark knight
Lann(if I ever make one...) - Paladin
Conor
03-20-2011, 09:17 PM
Paladin Staff Evie!
Shanghai
03-20-2011, 09:56 PM
Paladin Staff Evie!
^ <3
blahblahblahx
03-23-2011, 03:52 AM
I'm going Paladin on all 3 of my characters.
Eyrion
03-27-2011, 07:44 PM
DK Lann.. If I knew Paladins got pretty much all of the same stats other then Drain and such I would've chosen Paladin.. But of course I refused to brush up on my Info and just chose the class that I thought would be best for dispatching my enemies quickly.. Paladin looks so freakin' badass. I'm a defense freak, but I also like speed, that's why I chose Lann... At least hes a guy. And he wears Plate later on.. But Fiona fits my fighting style much more. Oh well... But I don't think Paladin gets the Attk Speed Boost like DK does.. So maybe choosing DK was for my own benefit. And by the way.. Did anyone notice that DK Lann is a TOTAL ripoff of Cecil in his Dark Knight armor from Final Fantasy 4 if he had his mask down? You may think no one noticed Nexon.. But you're wrong.
Mikey
03-27-2011, 07:50 PM
DK Lann.. If I knew Paladins got pretty much all of the same stats other then Drain and such I would've chosen Paladin.. But of course I refused to brush up on my Info and just chose the class that I thought would be best for dispatching my enemies quickly.. Paladin looks so freakin' badass. I'm a defense freak, but I also like speed, that's why I chose Lann... At least hes a guy. And he wears Plate later on.. But Fiona fits my fighting style much more. Oh well... But I don't think Paladin gets the Attk Speed Boost like DK does.. So maybe choosing DK was for my own benefit. And by the way.. Did anyone notice that DK Lann is a TOTAL ripoff of Cecil in his Dark Knight armor from Final Fantasy 4 if he had his mask down? You may think no one noticed Nexon.. But you're wrong.
They're both equally badass, I think. I would have just gone with whichever I thought looked better. (:
Sekwaf
03-27-2011, 08:25 PM
Paladin sword lann.
Paladin not only looks awesome but I don't need any life leech, since swords can dodge pretty much everything, and partys just love that you explode with healthy goodness :P And if you couldn't tell from me being sword...I don't give a **** about damage ^^
whocares8128
03-28-2011, 10:22 AM
If by "life leech" you are thinking of stealing HP for your own, then you should know that a dark knight turns mobs' HP into added attack power (not more health for themselves).
fantom
03-28-2011, 08:59 PM
But I don't think Paladin gets the Attk Speed Boost like DK does
Is this true?
Arendel
03-28-2011, 09:59 PM
Is this true?
It's not.
Eyrion
03-30-2011, 12:33 AM
They're both equally badass, I think. I would have just gone with whichever I thought looked better. (:
I've always been one to choose stats over looks.
It's not.
Really? I always feel like my Attacks are faster in DK.. Maybe its just the rush of being all-powerful.
Andy-Buddy
03-30-2011, 12:55 AM
I've always been one to choose stats over looks.
Really? I always feel like my Attacks are faster in DK.. Maybe its just the rush of being all-powerful.
There is a boost, but its a boost to everything. Both DK and Paladin get it.
Sinned
03-30-2011, 01:00 AM
Lann - Paladin
If I ever get to them:
Fiona - DK
Evie - DON'T KNOW
Sunureu13
03-30-2011, 01:59 AM
Lann - Paladin
If I ever get to them:
Fiona - DK
Evie - DON'T KNOW
Completely backwards.
Andy-Buddy
03-30-2011, 02:11 AM
Completely backwards.
Not really. Makes sense if you think about it.
Lann's gonna absorb a lot of hits if he wants to spin2win, might as well get the highest amount of damage out with Grasp+Hurricane, so being able to take that many more hits is good.
A Fiona doesn't have to worry about much because she does have her shield, and with her shield she still has a Grasp/Steal every block, and has the faster speed to get a block out of nowhere and continue her rage of evil damage.
SozenCratosFocker
03-30-2011, 02:16 AM
Completely backwards.
Not at all. There's absolutely no reason for a Fiona to go pally(Unless you're deciding based on looks, and are paying more attention to the shield than the armor).
Sinned
03-30-2011, 02:47 AM
Lann is very fast without ASPD as it is, throwing in grasp with random double cresents or just spinning around with hurricane = rigged damage without ever having to touch a toss
Plus more survivability since dodging is key to his playstyle or else you're screwed, not everything runs on an easy pattern, I've still yet to learn Blood Lord because it won't stay still for more than 2seconds
Fiona... she's pretty much invincible with campfire repair buff. As long as you know when to block then you're safe from all damage. What else to go for than accumulating damage?
Evie is just so ?___?
foreignreign
03-30-2011, 03:25 AM
Went for Paladin on Fiona.
I don't regret it at all.
Conversely, I went DK on Evie and absolutely hate her man-face she puts on when she transforms. B>Trans reset
Fkarizmatik
03-30-2011, 05:20 AM
Lann Spear=Paladin 4ever !!!
Martzi
03-30-2011, 10:25 AM
DK Staff Evie... I was hoping her magic bolts at least drained health too, though. Maybe/hopefully it comes later on. :)
p.s - nice chest when evie transforms as a dk. ;) ;)
aryama5
03-30-2011, 10:58 AM
Twin sword Lann here, chose Paladin 'cause I like to tank.
Plus, it really shouldn't matter 'cause I believe they will balance eventually. :lol:
Vikoss
04-08-2011, 06:15 PM
Dark Knight, Lann. Damage for the win, lol !
Gotejjeken
04-08-2011, 06:20 PM
Guys/Girls...haven't we been over this? They are the SAME, outside of Petrify edging out Drain. End of story.
BlackGod
04-11-2011, 05:27 PM
I chose paladin cause the armor is shiny.
BizarreJuju
04-11-2011, 05:42 PM
DK Fiona, black armor makes chicks look sexy ^^
For more damage and drain since fiona has a shield anyway \o/
neverearth
04-11-2011, 07:53 PM
DK Fiona, Paladin Evie. Gotta say, transforming on a staff Evie is like the greatest thing ever.
"What? Your Magic Arrow is evolving. Congratulations! Your Magic Arrow evolved into Magic Machine Gun." :glasses:
BizarreJuju
04-11-2011, 08:39 PM
still wish karok can trans into a beast and use Giant Full Swing with his Pillar like mabi, but the story doesn't work that way with karok. Also DK with Karok when released. Tank and drain, now he needs green glowing eyes like Spawn \o/
Sinned
04-11-2011, 09:26 PM
Now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't Paladin be the better choice because Drain wouldn't affect damage too much because of damage cap?
Grasp acts as separate hits so it's unaffected by the damage cap o_o
BizarreJuju
04-11-2011, 11:27 PM
Now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't Paladin be the better choice because Drain wouldn't affect damage too much because of damage cap?
Grasp acts as separate hits so it's unaffected by the damage cap o_o
It may be good now, but they can always raise the damage cap in later update.
epicexiled
07-04-2011, 01:20 AM
Im not sure at the moment. Most likely i will go pally as i always use paladin like options when available But then DK would be a new experience to me soooo
Probably DK
Joker
07-04-2011, 02:30 AM
Im not sure at the moment. Most likely i will go pally as i always use paladin like options when available But then DK would be a new experience to me soooo
Probably DK
IF your a scythe evie... go dk... if your a staff evie go pally...
epicexiled
07-04-2011, 03:17 AM
IF your a scythe evie... go dk... if your a staff evie go pally...
May i ask why? Do DKs really get more power over defense? and why souldent a staff Evie go DK
PS. im a scythe Evie
Natural Harmonia Gropius
07-04-2011, 03:36 AM
ALL EVIES should go for dark knight. evie DOES NOT need defence. mana amber and shields get their boost from INT. though ultimatly its your choice to go dk or pally.
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