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  1. Gensokyou
    So letting people break the rules is a great idea?

    I mean, if society said "Go out and kill and murder, that's a great idea"...
  2. Gensokyou
    That doesn't mean it's okay to break the rules.
  3. Gensokyou
    But... knowing that it's wrong, and that they'll be punished for it, doesn't stop people from doing things
    Then make the punishment more severe.
  4. Gensokyou
    I don't believe punishment keeps people in line after a point, so I'm against punishing people for minor offenses.
    Okay! So sorting through all the shit we've found the point to debate about.

    Please elaborate, my good bread mop.
  5. Gensokyou
    Did you read all of what I said? I think you missed half of it! ;o

    Indeed, perhaps it shouldn't be rewarded with a super mega lazr ban but some kind of punishment should be in order, mhm?

    No matter how much harm it is, it is still harm, and hsould be punishable just like mods.
  6. Gensokyou
    There are two ways this makes sense as a bannable offense.
    One.
    Someone proves that it is undeniably negatively impacting other players the way river glitching was.
    Two.
    A hard line is drawn and even the slightest glitch abuse, such as sheep sticking, becomes bannable.
    So abusing a glitch for an unfair experience over other players is not negativly affecting the other players?

    So if someone found a glitch where, say, they could final hit the finish of a prarie dragon and instantly get to 30 explore every week, that wouldn't be wrong?

  7. Gensokyou
    Quote Originally Posted by Yogurticecream View Post
    Sticking sheep isn't as bad because it resets every Wednesday. Anyone with a wolf pet can do it, and the stuck sheep are free-for-all. Even if you don't stick sheep, you can make use of wolf AI to hold a sheep in one spot. This out-of-map glitch is as bad as river glitching because those miners inside draw aggro and cause the ones mining properly to be windmilled. That's not funny at all. It deserves to be fixed soon.
    It's still a glitch, but i share your sentiment. It's "Not as bad", but still bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by RMorichika View Post
    You draw a hard line, and you'd have everyone that so much as sticks a sheep banned. If you want to go that road, then I have nothing to say about it. You're completely in the right to demand that.
    Again. I'm not saying that you should be like WDFBBQ U STUCK A SHEEP U SHOULD GET PWNED FOR LAZORS BLOOARHHHHH.

    What i'm saying is that it's still a glitch and it's still a violation because it gives you an advantage over other players, even if it's minor. That's why I suggested a 24 hour ban, or even a friendly warning. But that level of customer service...You see what i'm getting at.

    The people who are not in the right here are the hypocrites. People who abuse the glitches they think are harmless or just acceptable but then demand punishment for people who abuse glitches that are a little more questionable.
    I agree to a certain extent. For instance, someone could be "abusing" something that they don't even know as a glitch or it actually might not be something that affects other people at ALL, like...well, idk lel but yeah.

    But say, if you said that "Crisis glitching is okay because it gives my puppet 100% protection and only affects me, but glitching into the wall is bad because it means someone else can easily take my ores", then i'd agree that they're being hypocritical and that's wrong.

    I don't share your hard-line outlook, however. From my point of view, all that really matters here is how your glitch abuse is impacting the experience other players have - are you causing problems for them by abusing the glitch?
    Even sticking sheep impacts on the experience of other players because it means that through illegitimate methods - and I stress the illegitimate - you are obtaining an advantage over other players. If you are going to argue the psychology of feeling bad because other people fucked your lures, you must also take into account the feelings of those who did things properly as opposed to abusing the glitches.

    Wall glitchers are not. Unlike river glitchers who had extreme negative affects on people who attempted to raft normally, wall glitches are not causing noticeable trouble for miners. I say this as a miner, and with more mining experience than either of you happen to have at the moment. The two glitch abusers are completely incomparable.


    maibe u shold smoek mai pol

    1) I beat you to rank 1 mining.
    2) The experience argument is invalid. It's like saying "You should appoint me as head engineer because i'm very good, i was in nam and took out more viet kongs then times the master chief made a mum joke"
    3) At its most simplistic level, it's not about how it affects other people. It's an unfair advantage granted by breaking the rules.

    Frankly, I think that Snowie's attitude towards other players, which could absolutely ruin their gameplay experience, is a lot more ban-worthy than any amount of wall-glitching, and I sincerely hope that, should she indeed choose to act that way, she gets banned for it the second the first wall glitcher is.
    I agree with your sentiment but it won't, and shouldn't happen, as much as I want all those ideuts to get banned.
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    WAEK UPS NOWWW
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