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    A Study On Secondary Weapons

    What is a secondary weapon?
    A secondary weapon is an item that you bring into dungeons. They are not really a real weapon and is used mostly for their utility. Unlike your main weapon, there is a limit on how many times you can use one for each dungeon, depending on the difficulty of that dungeon (Normal mode, Hard mode or Hero mode). They are mainly used to stop bosses from moving and give you a chance to attack, but their is also other secondary weapons, like mine bombs, that are used to gather ores.

    Can you aim with it precisely?
    Yes, you can either use auto-mode or manual-mode. To use normal mode, you just have to tap on the hotkey you use for secondary weapon once, but to activate manual mode, you are going to have to hold the key for a bit. Another alternative is that when you go to advanced controls in options, you can uncheck a box named Always auto-aim secondary weapon.





    Secondary weapons
    Spears


    Normal Mode: 14 Spears
    Hard Mode: 7 Spears
    NPC Price: 1500g per stack (10)

    These are mainly used to stun enemies. Though the ammount of spears needed to stun an enemy varies by the size of the enemy. A polar bear would take a lot more spears to stun then a kobold chief. Unless you want to hit something specific, like the polar bear's red eye, this is best used on auto-throw near the enemy.



    Chain Hooks


    Normal Mode: 18 Chain hooks
    Hard Mode: 9 Chain hooks
    NPC price: 1500g per stack (10)

    Chain Hooks are another way to restrain the enemy. They are far more difficult to use then a spear because normally you would have to aim at the legs to restrain an enemy and some enemies are impossible to restrain (Greed for example, bastard don't have legs). Not only that, but some enemies are too big to restrain by yourself (Like the polar bear), so you need other people to help you. Not only that, but you cannot attack the enemy if you are holding on to them. I guess that some of the benefits are that you can bring a few more than spears into a dungeon, and that it does not take too much hooks to restrain an enemy (Unless the enemy is too big). It may also have longer stun time.



    Small Bombs



    Normal Mode: 14 small bombs
    Hard Mode: 7 small bombs
    NPC price: 2600g per stack (10)

    I haven't experienced much with this, but it does stun ennemies when it explodes at a certain radius from when it explodes. It explodes after around 8 seconds from being thrown. These are a bit more trickier to use because ennemies tend to move around a lot. These are not used to mine ores.



    Mine Bombs



    Normal Mode: 12 mine bombs
    Hard Mode: 6 mine bombs
    NPC price: 700g per stack (5)

    These sure as hell do not hurt or stun enemies. They are use to mine ores outta ore stacks. They may seem unimportant near the beginning, but you will find out how important they are when you start making equips at later levels. You can stun and do very little damage to enemies with these, but it is not as effective as small bombs.





    Light of Plara

    Normal Mode:
    Hard Mode:
    NPC price: 3900 per stack (5)
    Requires rF Secondary Mastery (Currently Unattainable)

    Can't say much about these since you can't even use them yet.

    Harpoons


    NPC price: 180g per stack (36)

    These are used for fishing.


    This guide is still not complete. If the information is false, please do not hesitate to correct me.
    Things that needs to be done: -Add screenshots and more icons.
    Last edited by Chockeh; 10-30-2010 at 12:39 AM.

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    Are Spears and Bombs affected by Attack?

    It seems it might be, but is it for sure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungChockeh View Post
    Should we craft them to save money?
    No, you'd probably be losing more money then making.
    ...
    Are you kidding me? crafting things like bombs saves you lots and lots of money, I've made 200 bombs off the money for 30.

    And Bombs are good for stunning and sequence breaking. With Ainle I can't tell you how much faster you can run with bombs, and with bosses how easy they become to hit if you bomb lock them.

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    Not sure if I made any mistakes in my calculations. Iron ores are according to market price in West
    5 Wood Plank = 1200g = 240g ea
    5 Gunpowder = 1500g = 300g ea
    5 Metal Solvent = 600g = 120g ea
    Metal Clamp = 200 ea

    10 Spear = 300g + Iron Ore(~150g) + Wood Plank(240g) + Metal Clamp(200g) = ~890g
    10 Chain Hook = 300g + Iron Ore(~150g) + Metal Clamp(200g) = ~650g
    10 Small Bomb = 500g + Iron Ore(~150g) + Gunpowder(300g) = ~950g
    5 Mine Bomb = 100g + Iron Ore(~150) + Gunpowder(300g) + Metal Solvent(120g) = ~670g

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    @Andy-Buddy: Can't tell for sure, but I doubt it does increase the damage significantly enough.
    @Chuukogu: I guess your right xD, thanks for table Ruquion.

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    There is a setting in options, under advanced controls:

    It allows you to toggle the auto aim.

    1. Box is Checked:
    When checked tapping the secondary weapon button will fire, and holding it will bring you to the manual screen, where you can click to throw or press E to auto aim.

    2. Box is Empty:
    Pressing the Hotkey will bring you straight into the manual screen, where you can click to throw or auto aim with E.
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    Ah really, thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungChockeh View Post
    I guess that some of the benifits are that you can bring a few more then spears into dungeon, and that it does not take too much hooks to restrain an enemy (Unless the enemy is too big), but the cons overshadows the pros imo.
    Including bias isn't really a good way to write a study. Instead of stating your opinion that cons overshadow the pros, you should actually make a list of the cons and pros.
    Quote Originally Posted by YoungChockeh View Post
    These sure as hell do not hurt or stun enemies. They are use to mine ores outta ore stacks. They may seem unimportant near the beginning, but you will find out how important they are when you start making equips at later levels.
    Mine bombs cause a very small amount of damage, and do stun.

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    I like this a lot, thanks for posting it!
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    @Rain...

    What the, my mine bombs don't seem to damage :< or stun...
    MUST NEED MORE TESTING

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