New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

[Kapra]

stupid blue haired fairies

Doth the sidhe?

On a more serious note, in alpha testing in mabi way back when there actually was Sidhe in the game. But obviously it never made it into the beta/public builds. And for a long time I never really understood why, but it kind of makes sense. According to celtic myth, after the Milesians invade Ireland, they overthrow then dominant Tuatha de Dannan, and forced them to live underground. It was there, underground, that the Tuatha evolved into the creatures known as the Sidhe and created the realm of Avalon/Faerie. I'm not sure what the story of the Alpha was, but it kind of wouldn't make sense for Sidhe to be in mabi if there are still Tuatha there (as it still is in the final product), unless they pull a generation where the Tuatha begin to evolve into a higher form and antagonize the milletians (which to be honest they have been doing in saga 1).

On another note, Mabinogi 2 was going to take place in Avalon, so in all likelyhood that game would have taken place after the at first benevolent invaders known as the Milesians overthrow the Tuatha regimes.

Tumble now dodges at the same rate of the user's Evasion rank.Tumble's travel distance is reduced to 500 default, but can be ''charged'' like Ice Bolt during flipping animations.How many times the user charges Tumble,the user will flip again.

Base use (1 charge) = 500

2 charges = 1000

3 charges = 1500 (base probably would need reducing, but 3 is the max)

Recovery is based on Agility and Tumble rank.Heavy Armor, Heavy weapons,Shields and Light Armor (slight,but noticable) nerfs Tumble's recovery and dodging rate.

Tumble is moved into Combat Tab,and no longer is considered a teleporting skill when dealing with placement.

Edit: Charged Tumble increases cooldown.Esc can cancel anytime to stop Tumble similar to Evasion,but ending lag will still apply.Spaming it to much places the user into a dizzy status that can be lowered by Will

I kind of like the general idea of your changes, but the one thing that bothers me about this is that, since Tumble charges like Icebolt and not skills like Blaze, that means you have to manually click on the floor to activate Tumble (like windmill, wheras Blaze is more like shockwave). That tiny change would have a big impact on Tumble's usage, I feel. If it charged like Focused Fist then I'd be all for it.

[DefinitelyNotTwin]

I kind of like the general idea of your changes, but the one thing that bothers me about this is that, since Tumble charges like Icebolt and not skills like Blaze, that means you have to manually click on the floor to activate Tumble (like windmill, wheras Blaze is more like shockwave). That tiny change would have a big impact on Tumble's usage, I feel. If it charged like Focused Fist then I'd be all for it.

What I meant to say was STACKED similar to Ice bolt, not charged. It was late when I wrote that x__x

Anywho,charge is instant though, not a loading time.It could also be stacked during anytime of the animation.Can be cancelled at anytime to create short Tumbling.

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Post 2: I'd also like the idea of being able to reflect spells,some for balancing reasons. But that would require some indepth details for balancing, since I just though of that.

[Syliara]

New Dual Gun skill added:

Mana Bullet Conversion:
-Can be turned on or off (like chain cylinder).
-In the case the player runs out of mana bullets in their current clip while this skill is active, it will instead substitute player Mana as substitute bullets. Reload can still be used while this skill is active to stop the effects of the mana substitution or the player can simply drain their mana and wait on using Reload.
-Consumes 5 Mana per bullet fired.
-Consumes durability the same way normal mana bullets would.
-Keeps the damage bonus given by the type of bullets being used while the clip is empty and the skill is in use.
-Cannot be used with Way of the Gun to increase its duration, however the player can use the skill after Way of the Gun has emptied the clip to continue to fire Mana Bullets as normal auto attacks.
-If the player runs out of mana while using the skill, the skill will automatically deactivate.
-The skill can be used with all other Dual Gun skills (excluding Way of the Gun).

[Daniel1235]

(Completed)
Total renovation of master titles (I've made this one up from several ideas that ran both here and in nexon official forums):

 Close Combat

• Master of Combat now adds elemental-like damage bonus that cannot be nullified by all those elemental immunity monsters but it is quite low (15%~10% bonus)(only applies to melee and ranged, much like elemental)and adds same defense and protection as the current Master of Shields (master of shields will be renovated too).
• Master of Defense adds 1000 500 200 defense and magic defense (protection and magic protection does not get add-up except from masteries, stats and etc.)
• Master of Counterattack multiplies by 1.5 more to damage from enemy reduces damage from enemy to 150% and x3 from self add damage from self up until 300% and if counter is activated successfully, it grands invulnerability for the remaining of the animation.
• Master of Smash multiplies damage by 2 25% and if effect has been applied; damage from bleed, duration of silence and amount of defense and protection reduced are all multiplied by 2 50%.
• Master of Windmill adds damage up until 350% and adds +200 to radius(+50 if equipped with knuckles) and +50% (makes it 200%) to range.
• Master of Assault Slash - stays the same.
• Master of Charge increases damage done by charge (and splash) by +50%.
• Master of Evasion (when it's uncapped) increases minimum evasion rate to 100%, making all evades successful.
• Master of Final Hit - makes it as powerful as it is after renovation (Skill change: 200% more damage [instead of 400%]).
• Master of Swords adds +5% more to balance and passively (as soon as reaching the master title) allows elves and giants to dual wield them.
• Master of Axes adds +5% more critical chance and passively allows elves to wield two-handed axes.
• Master of Blunt Weapons allows elves to wield two-handed blunt weapons.
• Master of Critical Hit adds +50% (making it 200%) to Critical damage.
• Master of Shields nullifies damage (to 1) when using large or medium shields and heavily reduce damage when using small shield (all the above applies only when using defense with one of the shield types) Will make Shield as it is now when using defense while wearing shield (defense and protection bonuses removed) (skill change: change current defense with shield to: Large block 60% damage, medium-25% and small-10%).
• Master of Heavy Armors reduces DEX penalty to -10% (exception are giants which get it anyway), adds passive defenses up until 15% of each and reduces damage received by 10% when using heavy armor (Def and prot bonuses removed as well).
• Master of Light Armors adds passive defenses up until 10% and reduces damage received by 5% (Def and prot bonuses removed)and passively allows elves to wear any heavy armor human can wear.
• Master of Dual Wielding passively allows elves to wear any two-handed weapons (otherwise stays the same).
• Master of Bash - stays the same.
• Master of Rage Impact - stays the same.
• Master of Berserker adds 5 more seconds to duration and adds +20 more STR during berserker.
• Master of Doppelganger - Stays the same.
• Master of Chain: Counter Punch adds damage up to 520%.
• Master of Atlatls makes it as strong as it is from archery renovation (skill changes: revent back to current forumal minus cooldown) and passively allows giants to use any bow or crossbow.
• Master of Stomp & Master of Windguard - stay the same.
• Master of Taunt allows either attract any enemy within 700 range or a single target (like the rock throwing).

 Lance Combat

• Master of Lances additionally reduces min range penalty by -50.
• Master of Lance Charge additionally adds damage up until 300%.
• Master of Lance Counter - same as regular counter except damage from enemy is 200% and from self 400%.

 Archery

• Master of Range multiplies human's aiming speed by 1.3 (400% speed) and elves by 2.25(450% speed).
• Master of Magnum shot Multiplies damage by 1.25.
• Master of Support shot - stays the same.
• Master of Arrow Revolver multiplies damage by 1.25.
• Master of Crash Shot multiplies damage by 1.2.
• Master of Bows additionally adds 200 more range.
• Master of Crossbows additionally adds 100 more range.

 Magic

• Master of Magic now adds 75 Matk instead of 20.
• Master of Meditation (when uncapped) adds x1.1 more mana regeneration.
• Master of Enchant adds +25% to both enchanting and enchant burn success rates.
• Master of Fire, Master of Ice and Master of Lightning stay the same.
• Master of Bolt Magic adds 20% damage instead of 15%.
• Master of Fusin Bolt stays the same.
• Master of Firebolt adds x1.15 damage.
• Master of Lightningbolt adds x1.2 damage.
• Master of Icebolt adds x1.25 damage.
• Master of Fireball adds x1.15 damage.
• Master of Thunder adds x1.2 damage.
• Master of Ice Spear adds x1.25 damage.
• Master of Hail Storm adds x1.15 damage.
• Master of Blaze adds x1.25 melee damage and x1.15 to magic damage.
• Magic Weapon Master, Meteor Strike Master, the Snap Cast Master and the Spellwalk Master stay the same.
• Master of Shockwave adds x1.2 damage.
• the Toxicologist adds potion boost chance to 25%, adds potion boost to 300%, reduces Potion poisoning reduction to 60% and grands Poison Immunity status effect.

 Cleric

• Master of Healing adds +50% healing effects (only applies to Healing skill, nothing more).
• Master of Party Healing adds +25% healing effects (general) and recovers 15% from healing to wounds instead of 10%.
• Master of Mana Shield now uses defensive stats under mana shield.
• Master of Natural Shield, Master of Ice Shield, Master of Lightning Shield and Master of Fire Shield now all block 90% of damage of their respective element.
• Master of First Aid (when uncapped) require only 1 finest handmade bandage, 1 fine handmade bandage, 2 common handmade bandage, 3 handmade bandage or 4 bandages to fully recover from wounds and bandages consumed immediately.

 Battle Alchemy

• Master of Alchemy now adds +20% instead of +10% and changed into efficiency/alchemy.
• Master of Chain Cylinder now reduces -2 from cooldown instead of -1.
• Master of Water Cannon increases damage by 7% and now does 70% splash damage.
• Master of Flame Burst increases damage by 15% and duration by 3 seconds and now has wider splash range.
• Master of Wind Blast increased damage by 50% and now has wide range and shot like tornado, blowing all enemies in range away.
• Master of Sand Burst increases blind duration by 5 seconds.
• Master of Frozen Blast increases frozen duration by 5 seconds.
• Master of Heat Buster stays the same.
• Master of Life Drain now doubles the amount of health recovered through life drain.
• Master of Shock now changes to: increases shock duration by 15 seconds and increases damage done by shock by 50% and increases stun time by 0.5 seconds.
• the Clay Alchemist, the Wind Alchemist, the Water Alchemist and the Fire Alchemist now add +25% alchemy to their respective elements.
• Guard Cylinder Master, Elemental Wave Master, Golden Time Master and Hydra Transmutation Master stay the same.

 Transmutation

• Master of Transmutation now adds +15% success rate to all construct alchemy skills.
• Master of Mana Crystallization makes mana crystals as efficient as the spells who used to make them. (skill change: mana crystals now have same limitations as their spells.)
• Master of Synthesis adds +15% to synthesis success rate instead of +2%.
• Master of Fragmentation adds +15% to success rate and has higher chance to receive more items after fragmentation.
• Master of Metal Conversion adds +15% to success rate and can produce larger gems.
• Master of Rain increases duration by x1.5 (stacks with cylinder multiplier).
• Master of Barrier Spikes now adds +500 to barrier's HP and takes only 1 against Dullahan's Axe Throwing or any other instant killing skills (protection bonus removed).
• Master of Golems allows you to summon Magic Golems (including summon time) and also adds +500 HP, +20 max damage, +10 min damage, same magic defense and magic protection as the regular ones, +10% balance and +10% critical.

 Martial Arts

• Master of Chain Attack now adds to each race's chain damage up to 60% (=meaning;elf +40%, human +30% and giant +20%).
• Master of Tumble now is a 100% success evasion-like skill with invulnerability frames during the animation.
• Master of Respite recovers 3 times more stamina and health, aftereffects does not penalize and grands poison immunity, petrification immunity and explosion defence.
• Rest of the master titles stay the same.

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[Kaeporo]

Total renovation of master titles (I've made this one up from serveral ideas that ran both here and in nexon offical forums):

• Master of Combat now adds elemental-like damage bonus that cannot be nullified by all those elemental immunity mosters but it is quite low (~15% bonus)(only applies to melee and ranged, much like elemental)and adds same defense and protection as the current Master of Shields (master of shields will be renovated too).
• Master of Defense adds 1000 defense and magic defense (protection and magic protection does not get add-up except from masteries, stats and etc.)
• Master of Counterattack multiplies by 1.5 more to damage from enemy and x3 from self and if counter is activated successfully, it grands invulnerability from the reamining of the animation.
• Master of Smash multiplies damage by 2 and if effect has been apllied; damage from bleed, duration of slince and amount of defense and protection reduced are all multiplied by 2.
• Master of Windmil multiplies damage by 2 and adds +200 to radius(+50 if equipped with knuckles) and +50% (makes it 200%) to range.
• Master of Assault Slash +100% instead of +50% to assault slash damage.
• Master of Charge increases damage done by charge (and splash) by +50%.
• Master of Evasion increases minimum evesion rate to 100%, making all evades successful.

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To be contiuned...

Abso-fuckin'-lutely not.

Way too overpowered.

[Daniel1235]

Abso-fuckin'-lutely not.

Way too overpowered.

Firstly, im not done. Secondly, it only applies when you wear them master titles. It's not like i ask the skills to be that much overpowerd. But I guess I could tune it down a bit...

[Syliara]

Total renovation of master titles (I've made this one up from serveral ideas that ran both here and in nexon offical forums):

• Master of Combat now adds elemental-like damage bonus that cannot be nullified by all those elemental immunity mosters but it is quite low (~15% bonus)(only applies to melee and ranged, much like elemental)and adds same defense and protection as the current Master of Shields (master of shields will be renovated too).
• Master of Defense adds 1000 defense and magic defense (protection and magic protection does not get add-up except from masteries, stats and etc.)
• Master of Counterattack multiplies by 1.5 more to damage from enemy and x3 from self and if counter is activated successfully, it grands invulnerability from the reamining of the animation.
• Master of Smash multiplies damage by 2 and if effect has been apllied; damage from bleed, duration of slince and amount of defense and protection reduced are all multiplied by 2.
• Master of Windmil multiplies damage by 2 and adds +200 to radius(+50 if equipped with knuckles) and +50% (makes it 200%) to range.
• Master of Assault Slash +100% instead of +50% to assault slash damage.
• Master of Charge increases damage done by charge (and splash) by +50%.
• Master of Evasion increases minimum evesion rate to 100%, making all evades successful.

.........
To be contiuned...

Firstly, im not done. Secondly, it only applies when you wear them master titles. It's not like i ask the skills to be that much overpowerd. But I guess I could tune it down a bit...

Reason he says its overpowered is because it really is.... If you have seen some of the damage most skillsets can already push ud realize how ridiculous those titles would make them.

Master of Combat one would make things like lances (and in the future FH) do absurd amounts of damage on top of the already pretty high damage it can do.
Master of Defense would make ur character literally impossibly to kill almost considering that most things arent doing 1000 damage hits to you.
Master of Counter would make u able to basically solo most things by just spamming counter with those multipliers thrown in.
Master of Smash would make smash able to do ridiculous amounts of damage considering a lot of people can smash 30~50k in certain situations that arent barrier spikes and thats without that 2x multiplier thrown in.
Master of Windmill would make windmill about the only aoe skill needed and make people doing 10k windmills a commonplace.
Master of Assualt slash is w/e but I think 50% is a bit high.
If Master of charge only applies to normal charge then thats not ridiculous.
Master of Evasion is uhh.... Correct me if I'm wrong but the skill is still capped at r6 isnt it? Even if it werent I could see maybe a 10% increase but honestly its a kinda meh skill right now.....

In any case, I think kaeporo said it a bit harsh mainly because of how ridiculous its potential can be if you have seen the numbers people can already push out with those skills. Unfortunately it would completely destroy any difficulty this game has at the moment. If you were to fix it u will need to completely scale all of that down A LOT.

[Kaeporo]

Firstly, im not done. Secondly, it only applies when you wear them master titles. It's not like i ask the skills to be that much overpowerd. But I guess I could tune it down a bit...

As a general rule of thumb, you don't want to further improve items which already centralize the metagame.

Counterattack, Charge, and Evasion are good. Assault Slash already increases damage by 100%, unless your intention is for the master title to double its damage output. Combat would render everything else obsolete, with the exception of Smash, which would render pretty much all skills aside from Smash obsolete.

[Daniel1235]

i fixed it a little and added more.

Edit: I see my mistakes and made corrections... My point is to make master titles as useful as the ace update ones.

[Syliara]

i fixed it a little and added more.

Edit: I see my mistakes and made corrections... My point is to make master titles as useful as the ace update ones.

A lot of those titles are still pretty ridiculously overpowered.... There is a way to make titles useful without making them extremely broken. Those would be fun to mess around with a bit but would probably cause the death of any challenging content in mabi in the long run :/