"Made in China"

[Chillax]

If we show the workers a working solution, then they'll accept it. That solution is to show the Chinese government that we want change, and if no action is taken, then a boycott on a larger scale will occur.

When some people have a choice between a sweatshop job and no job at all, they're choosing the sweatshop job 100 times out of 100, even if it entails shitty working conditions and low pay. If one region stands up to them, sweatshop owners can just pack their bags and find an area that has people desperate enough to work in their sweatshops. Then you factor in how the US is also not the only market for their products.

If telling people what was good for them worked well, then there wouldn't be any alcoholics or druggies.

[Seviraph]

You're acting like nobody is boycotting now, and one day a billion of people will start. It's gradual, and once the factory owners realize this, figuring out that it's getting worse, they'd do some research, and perhaps figure it out.

And if you agree, wouldn't you agree that it would inter fear with any sort of education whether it be formal or home schooled?

but once the owners notice the profit loss and start laying people off, you're jeopardizing the lives of those people

also not sure what you're trying to ask on the 2nd part

[Loopulse]

-poor families cannot afford education for their children or have any other career choices
They could be home schooled, but the labour takes the time out of it.

-corrupted company owners who don't care Let's force them and risk their networth if they don't do anything.

-higher wages would destroy all the jobs there because it would tip the balance of production costs Walmart already underprices their stuff, and underpays the Chinese workers.

-the poor families would have no other source of income and therefore must work in these positions Slightly raising the wages and helping the conditions can help solve this.

I think these points lead to an endless cycle which cannot be broken.

It's a catch 22, raising wages would be a humanitarian move but then all the jobs disappear. The company owners don't care for the workers and don't care for improving working conditions most likely due to increased cost.

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but once the owners notice the profit loss and start laying people off, you're jeopardizing the lives of those people

also not sure what you're trying to ask on the 2nd part

The sweat shops would take away time, and exhaust them too much to give them an education.

[Mentosftw]

Why would they ever raise wages? There's no profit to be made; owners just don't care and there's no way of changing them.

How could you even force them to raise wages? They'd just laugh and ignore you.

Once people have living and financial conditions that are bad enough, they don't care how bad their working and pay conditions are as long as it'll get them through to the next day. You think the poor can afford to strike or go on rebellions? All the employers have to do is fire them on the spot and hire people who are even more desperate for work. They know they can do it too; with such a huge population base, they won't need to go very far to find cheap replacements.

[Seviraph]

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The sweat shops would take away time, and exhaust them too much to give them an education.

Ohh you mean to say "Interfere" now it makes sense

anyways yes it certainly would interfere with education, but when you have to choose between survival and education I'm sure you'd know the obvious choice

Loop I have to wonder if you're using an American mindset when talking about this
(cause you shouldn't compare the 2)

It is very- very different there

[Loopulse]

Why would they ever raise wages? There's no profit to be made; owners just don't care and there's no way of changing them.

How could you even force them to raise wages? They'd just laugh and ignore you. But let's be honest, if lots of us protest and stop, then yeah, they'll lose business.

Once people have living and financial conditions that are bad enough, they don't care how bad their working and pay conditions are as long as it'll get them through to the next day. You think the poor can afford to strike or go on rebellions? All the employers have to do is fire them on the spot and hire people who are even more desperate for work. They know they can do it too; with such a huge population base, they won't need to go very far to find cheap replacements. Remember, people can only get so desperate.

Wouldn't you agree that basic education is a right?

[Seviraph]

Wouldn't you agree that basic education is a right?

depends on what you mean by basic

They already have basic education for sure

[Loopulse]

depends on what you mean by basic

They already have basic education for sure

The public schooling education in Canada and the United States up to grade 12.

[Mentosftw]

Most compulsory education in China goes up to grade 9. I wouldn't be surprised that the parents themselves would discourage their children to be educated in order for them to start working to provide financial aid for the family.

Loop, remember that the people there don't even have the same rights we do and the same mindsets that we do. They're too busy trying to find enough money for food for the next day that they wouldn't be thinking about work reform.

That's how revolutions and rebellions are quelled by dictators; you starve people and they'll be too focused on survival to care for anything else.

[Loopulse]

Loop, remember that the people there don't even have the same rights we do and the same mindsets that we do. They're too busy trying to find enough money for food for the next day that they wouldn't be thinking about work reform.

That's how revolutions and rebellions are quelled by dictators; you starve people and they'll be too focused on survival to care for anything else.

Do you believe it should be a universal right?