At least 7 dead and 30 injured in mass shooting

[RebeccaBlack]

I have to stop reading these topics because I get pissed off every time I enter them.

Gun bans are nonsense. If you wanted to get a gun, you can get one, even in nations that strictly regulate that shit.

In a perfect world where outlawing guns really meant all guns were to disappear, thats totally a great idea. I'm not entirely pro gun or anything, but I fully understand the arguments made by said side, and unfortunate sit right in the middle of the debate. Anyways, its a topic for another thread.

This is basically what I think.

In a way, I hope guns are outlawed, just briefly, so we can all see that these things happen anyway, just about as frequently, and become safer in the end as a result when guns are legalized again. What would be particularly interesting is if crime actually went up because people no longer feared being shot by people defending themselves.

How much control there should be is debatable and gets a bit too theoretical at times for one to be "the right answer". But really, the effects of banning guns would be strictly negative no matter how you look at it.

[Chiyuri]

And yet if you take all of their weapons away, there will still be less deaths, if any.

Just because a gun can't kill people without someone wielding it doesn't mean it's any less dangerous to hand out. This is why people need to stop handing them out to everyone willy-nilly.

The ability to deal damage in long range without much training required. Gun, the easy way to kill people

[ZazieTheBeast]

I have to stop reading these topics because I get pissed off every time I enter them.

This is basically what I think.

In a way, I hope guns are outlawed, just briefly, so we can all see that these things happen anyway, just about as frequently, and become safer in the end as a result when guns are legalized again. What would be particularly interesting is if crime actually went up because people no longer feared being shot by people defending themselves.

How much control there should be is debatable and gets a bit too theoretical at times for one to be "the right answer". But really, the effects of banning guns would be strictly negative no matter how you look at it.

just look at cities like chicago, guns have been illegal here for a while but we still have some of the highest gun crimes

[Osayidan]

Criminals will obtain guns with or without any gun banning laws. Laws don't magically turn all the guns out there into water pistols.

[RebeccaBlack]

Criminals will obtain guns with or without any gun banning laws. Laws don't magically turn all the guns out there into water pistols.

Well not just that, but guns have to be made somehow.

A lot of people get the impression that criminals use stolen guns or guns they got themselves earlier in life/bought from some guy with a legal gun. This is sometimes the case, but criminals can also make guns and this does happen on a relatively large scale, despite not happening so much in everyday homes compared to other illegal things like making drugs. Instead, it's usually more organized groups doing it and selling them off to "everyday" criminals.

So basically, perfect world prevention where we didn't have em in the first place, we'd still have big problems because now they'd have even more of a reason to make them.

I'm definitely not saying most guns used for illegal purposes are made by these groups. Definitely not. But the reason they're not made by these groups is because they don't have to, as things are. In the event guns were banned, the market for them would skyrocket, both among criminals and among people wanting to protect themselves, and people would get in the same situation and be in the same amount of danger anyway. The only difference is they'd have to go through some shady illegal group that makes things that kill people in order to exchange their money for something that kills people. That sounds pretty unpleasant.

It's not fair to compare this to other countries, because other countries (such as Canada) have a significantly different culture which very much affects how people interact with each other and use lethal force. Some have blamed this on the media using scare tactics, but regardless of what's actually causing it, it's there, and it's real.