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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeporo View Post
    I've run across three people since the update hit who hold the opinion that Bash is a terrible skill compared to Smash.

    Ok.
    They're probably not hitting 2x per use and a whole world of smash being irrelevant (besides for giant with combo card) has yet to open up for them.

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    Hmm.... it makes me think humans are now the "master" race...lol
    I started as a giant but some of these changes really make me want to make a human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberynn View Post
    They're probably not hitting 2x per use and a whole world of smash being irrelevant (besides for giant with combo card) has yet to open up for them.
    I assume they're not using the right weapons either (Fanatic Great Sword, Demonics, etc).

    I gotta say though, seeing a single hit high number is pretty satisfying, though you can easily do that with a Fanatic Great Sword.

    While we're on this topic, I wanted to ask a question: If I were to wield a normal and a slow sword with an attack speed set, what would the speed be when it comes to FH?
    Last edited by ironwoman; 04-23-2015 at 12:48 AM.

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    • Bash > Smash. I see no point in using those debuffs. Bleed is atrociously weak, daze is mostly moot since magic/alchemy is easily intercepted, and that defense reduction is too small to be noticeable.
    • Exactly what is the point of lessening the restrictive mobility on Defense and Counterattack? There's still no reason to use them over anything.
    • Final Hit needed a utility buff, but its damage is extremely overpowered, especially if it can destroy Provocation Barrier Spikes with just a single use. Likewise, Bash is way too powerful and its stun is too great while making Smash completely obsolete.
    • Charge/Assault splash is okay... maybe? I haven't looked at it yet.
    • I'm not keen on the idea of Rage Impact. It's pretty redundant because Berserk, and it's basically a "free-get-out" card like area of effect pets but with a shorter cooldown. Also the fact that it's a huge boon to Lances is pretty dumb. They could have reworked close combat's overall slow speed and modified Defense and/or Counterattack to handle multi-aggro a little better rather than slapping in a new skill.
    • Dual Wield Mastery isn't necessary at all, it's more spoon feeding and ends up making balance from dex and sword balance obsolete. With near end-capped strength, capped will, and capped luck from skill-stats, I already have 600 max damage, capped balance, and 200% critical with dual red focused beams unnerfed, all without DWM bonuses.
    • Why the hell is Wooden Sword unaffected by any of the Close Combat weapon stuff?
    Last edited by Darkboy132; 04-23-2015 at 05:07 AM.

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    How I feel as a giant after seeing people use final hit.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KingFintchz View Post

    How I feel as a giant after seeing people use final hit.
    funny thing is thats exactly how I felt when I watched giants smash with a lance before patch xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironwoman View Post
    I assume they're not using the right weapons either (Fanatic Great Sword, Demonics, etc).

    I gotta say though, seeing a single hit high number is pretty satisfying, though you can easily do that with a Fanatic Great Sword.

    While we're on this topic, I wanted to ask a question: If I were to wield a normal and a slow sword with an attack speed set, what would the speed be when it comes to FH?
    It probably averages to slow.
    For final hit you want either normal speed + attack speed effect or fast speed if you have no attack speed effect.

    Attack speed doesn't work on fast speed, so normal + attack is actually more hits.

    Beams and royal sword for non-att speed people and demonics for att speed people.

    Also in case I haven't said it enough BASH IS SO GOOD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberynn View Post
    It probably averages to slow.
    For final hit you want either normal speed + attack speed effect or fast speed if you have no attack speed effect.

    Attack speed doesn't work on fast speed, so normal + attack is actually more hits.

    Beams and royal sword for non-att speed people and demonics for att speed people.

    Also in case I haven't said it enough BASH IS SO GOOD.
    Hmm, what if I want the royal swords for bash enhancement qq. Does that mean i have to dual wield dual wield words? FH swords + bash swords?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberynn View Post
    It probably averages to slow.
    For final hit you want either normal speed + attack speed effect or fast speed if you have no attack speed effect.

    Attack speed doesn't work on fast speed, so normal + attack is actually more hits.

    Beams and royal sword for non-att speed people and demonics for att speed people.

    Also in case I haven't said it enough BASH IS SO GOOD.
    Final hit got a speed boost. Normal might be fast enough w/o attack speed set but that depends on what the speed boost is on FH.

    Unless my eyes are deceiving me that people are attacking as fast as the old fast+attack set with final hit+fast weapons.
     :^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esileruf View Post
    Final hit got a speed boost.
    No it didn't.



    This is before they decided to give it 400% damage.
    Last edited by Darkboy132; 04-23-2015 at 02:04 AM.

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