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    Quote Originally Posted by Osayidan View Post
    I'll be extra generous and give nexon another week to get their shit together. So until end of business-day next friday the 18th.

    I never looked into how to get this to work myself so I'll probably bug Kingofrunes about it when the deadline approaches since he seems to know
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    I think it's a good idea. Hackshield has been needing to get their shit together for some time now. In the end, the choices are up to the individuals to take. Just remember to note such a disclaimer.
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    I think this is an OK solution, mainly because I stopped caring about Nexon/Mabi, assuming whatever hacking tool is used can be verified as being harmless. Otherwise, I would be against distributing what's essentially an exploit to the user base.

    Quote Originally Posted by Osayidan View Post
    Any downloads required for the modding would be confirmed to be clean and hosted somewhere that can be trusted.
    That's one thing that leaves me wondering--do you have the ability to check the hack for malicious code (I'm guessing not), or know someone you personally trust who could do it? Otherwise, it'll be virtually equivalent to users blindly downloading hacks and potentially getting pwnt (which I always personally found to be hilarious, but that's besides the point.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoorah View Post
    That's one thing that leaves me wondering--do you have the ability to check the hack for malicious code (I'm guessing not), or know someone you personally trust who could do it? Otherwise, it'll be virtually equivalent to users blindly downloading hacks and potentially getting pwnt (which I always personally found to be hilarious, but that's besides the point.)
    Virustotal and the fact that not only does there seems to be just a single patcher working, mabicake is broke, and One can probably poke blade to personally post on the forums. That way, the methods that are tested elsewhere can flow through there before getting put here.
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    I think the number one priority of a community should be that the community survives. If being against mods helps maintain the community, then that's okay. But if it starts to hinder the survival more than otherwise, then that's a problem.

    Nexon not updating for Windows 10 compatibility won't kill Mabinogi, the community dying will kill Mabinogi. And the community will and already has begun diminishing as people are unable to play Mabinogi.

    I don't think rules should inhibit the existence of the reason why the rules even exist (with exception of upholding the natural laws, in which case the rule should be upheld even if it means the rule maker ceases to exist). To me, the current state sounds like a good enough excuse to make an exception in the "no mods whatsoever" rule.
    Last edited by Kapra; 09-12-2015 at 01:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esileruf View Post
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    Yeah... no. I'm afraid you didn't realize that Virustotal in this case is more useful to malware authors than the end users; it's what they use to tweak their code until it's undetectable. I've known a group of people who used this over the years to collect literally tens of thousands of accounts from cheaters who would use the given mod/hack.

    Virustotal is a good scanner for random files if you just want to check for known/old signatures. It is of absolutely no use for our case here.

    Ideally, we could review the exploit's source code, if it's available. The alternative would be to reverse engineer it manually and check for suspicious code, but that can be a challenge in itself.
    Last edited by Yoorah; 09-12-2015 at 07:05 PM.
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    Well it's not all just signatures, heuristics is a huge part too. I upload stuff I make to virustotal now and then to make sure that certain AVs properly whitelisted it, or to see which AVs are throwing fits about heuristics results and claiming it's a virus when it's not this week.

    EDIT: More on-topic, looks like replacing the US hackshield folder with an updated KR one works, though it'll have to be redone each patch.
    Last edited by Rydian; 09-13-2015 at 07:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydian View Post
    EDIT: More on-topic, looks like replacing the US hackshield folder with an updated KR one works, though it'll have to be redone each patch.
    I much prefer that over the current method. Can someone from KR send me the folder?
    Actually doing it this way I can't even consider as modding so if someone wants to post that go ahead. If you need somewhere to host the KR hackshield folder let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osayidan View Post
    I much prefer that over the current method. Can someone from KR send me the folder?
    Actually doing it this way I can't even consider as modding so if someone wants to post that go ahead. If you need somewhere to host the KR hackshield folder let me know.
    Sure, I'll send that your way today. First I have to verify that works in the first place. okay confirmed, I guess KR did manage to fix it themselves. I didn't spot any notices that they had fixed it.

    Okay I threw it in the Guides section as I couldn't think of where else to put it: http://mabination.com/threads/85829-...Windows-10-100
    Last edited by Kingofrunes; 09-13-2015 at 09:23 AM.


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