Noob archers rafting

• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-30 06:37
  Problem officer? Rofl.
  Now that I think about it, those new magic speed potions are pretty ridiculous. With a phoenix fire wand, a speed pot and fast casting you could cast fireball in like seven seconds.
• Chillax wrote on 2010-09-30 06:40

  Quote from Kaeporo;171489:

  Problem officer? Rofl.
  Now that I think about it, those new magic speed potions are pretty ridiculous. With a phoenix fire wand, a speed pot and fast casting you could cast fireball in like seven seconds.

  
  
  

  Tested the Magic Speed potion while soloing Karu Glowing Stone Imp Statue.
  
  It seems to be a 30% boost (Firebolt = 1sec, Fireball = 10s).

  
  
  Quoted from Justified. I'm assuming he was using a fully-upgraded Phoenix Fire Wand.
• MrpewX2 wrote on 2010-09-30 07:07
  qq this thead appered the day after i when on my giant and tryed trowing attack on the rafts
  idk how it gliches but iv seen it b4 and got 0 shoted by a hogo...
  I SAY THE HOGOS HATE THE NUBLETS AND TRIES TO FOLLOW them Home, but get lazy on the way >:S
• Cryosite wrote on 2010-09-30 07:10
  You can cry elitism all you want, but it is a simple fact that (right now) thunder is just plain superior to archery to solo raft. I can consistently get 31 stars on first and third leg leg, and kill every hob on second, and do so without using a single mana potion. The only upkeep cost for me is wand repairs. Even top end archers struggle to do that, without end-game gear and/or well leveled ego bow, etc. and a ton of time spent in life skills.
  
  When hobs are in their spawn points, I can hit 4 hobs with every cast of thunder (except for one or two spots on the second leg where I may need to hit a single target due to the shield-casters running about so early). This lets me do my raft run with fewer times needed to cast thunder, thus smaller wand repairs over time. When another, similar mage runs a raft in front of me, they kill everything and stuff respawns, in the same place, by the time I get to it. All is good.
  
  When some noob insists on using an inferior method of rafting (primarily archery in this thread) not only are they being less efficient for themselves, they're pulling things out of their neat spawn patters for those behind them (mostly from living hobs trying to chase them down the banks til they get stuck).
  
  I seriously question if rafting with archery alone (or worse methods) can even compete with artifacts in cor. If my guess is right and it is worse... then y'all really are being douches for doing it.
  
  I know a lot of people actually don't want to be douchebags, and maybe just maybe if they read this, and realize they're doing this crap, they'll rethink their strategy and make the place a better one for us all through learning.
  
  Or they could, y'know, be trolls still. Whatever.
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-09-30 07:18
  Archers need to spend time on life skills anyway if they ever wanna be a good one.
• Adelynn wrote on 2010-09-30 22:19
  I don't do rafting with archery to be a douche. I do it because I find it easy to make gold that way (reselling tipping suits to NPCs), and I really hate l-rods and all the extra noise I have to listen to when I'm exploring. Literally, it gives me a headache. Rafting gets me the EXP faster even if I'm not OMG TEH PRO THUNDER MAGE. Why would I prefer something that's slower? For someone else's own convenience because they can't deal with stray hobgoblins? I also want to know how you wouldn't expect this thread to get to the point of elitism when you're saying that there are certain groups of people that shouldn't in "your" spot. People can do what they want. If you're a great rafter, then it shouldn't be such a horrendous problem and you'll STILL get more stars than me. I use magnum when I need to because there are mobs I won't kill by just taking one shot. I don't do it to be a douche. I do it because I want to enjoy myself in a GAME where everyone is allowed to do whatever they want as long as it falls within the rules. I do it because I want to. The last thing on my mind is pissing off who knows what mage that can't deal with stray hobgoblins.
  
  I'm also not going to use up my AP on magic when obviously other people think that I need my life skills for my dex (which I do, that's why I'm saving my AP for that instead of magic). I'm going to do what I like, my way.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-09-30 22:42

  Quote from Adelynn;171855:

  I don't do rafting with archery to be a douche. I do it because I find it easy to make gold that way (reselling tipping suits to NPCs), and I really hate l-rods and all the extra noise I have to listen to when I'm exploring. Literally, it gives me a headache. Rafting gets me the EXP faster even if I'm not OMG TEH PRO THUNDER MAGE. Why would I prefer something that's slower? For someone else's own convenience because they can't deal with stray hobgoblins? I also want to know how you wouldn't expect this thread to get to the point of elitism when you're saying that there are certain groups of people that shouldn't in "your" spot. People can do what they want. If you're a great rafter, then it shouldn't be such a horrendous problem and you'll STILL get more stars than me. I use magnum when I need to because there are mobs I won't kill by just taking one shot. I don't do it to be a douche. I do it because I want to enjoy myself in a GAME where everyone is allowed to do whatever they want as long as it falls within the rules. I do it because I want to. The last thing on my mind is pissing off who knows what mage that can't deal with stray hobgoblins.
  
  I'm also not going to use up my AP on magic when obviously other people think that I need my life skills for my dex (which I do, that's why I'm saving my AP for that instead of magic). I'm going to do what I like, my way.

  
  
  Can you please read the posts properly and not derail my thread? You just responded to a troll.
  
  NO ONE is saying that archers shouldn't raft. All I want from people are that they clean their mess.
  
  Sure the game is meant for everyone to have fun, but do people like it when certain douches ruin the game for everyone? Take this analogy: A kid was playing at a playground, but this drunk old man came and ****ted on the slides. Does the kid have the right to be angry at the old man? If you are not some sicko, then YES.
  
  The point of this thread is to complain about those who does not take their responsiblity and be a burden on everyone. And to address that grievance, we should make sure to direct the new people of this game to cor artifacts or other efficient way of having fun.
• Adelynn wrote on 2010-09-30 23:03
  Alright. If that was the point, then why single out the archers? Is the assumption that only the archers do it? I'm pretty sure archers don't not kill things for the sake of not killing them. I've had issues with missing or things going into deadly and THEN missing. If newbs want to try something out, why shouldn't they be allowed to? Anyone should have the right to have fun the way they want to, not the way others tell them to. I notice that another mage posted in here saying that even with some goblins out of place, rafting is still very much doable.
  
  The other problem I have is that while you claim no one is telling archers not to raft, you say that only those who can 1-hit KO something should be rafting. By that standard, I shouldn't be rafting. So basically, what I see, is someone telling me "You can't 1-hit KO with your range so you should stop rafting". This mindset very much affects me and it irritates me that someone claims people can't do something because of what really should be considered the fault of the game.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-09-30 23:42

  Quote from Adelynn;171926:

  Alright. If that was the point, then why single out the archers? Is the assumption that only the archers do it? I'm pretty sure archers don't not kill things for the sake of not killing them. I've had issues with missing or things going into deadly and THEN missing. If newbs want to try something out, why shouldn't they be allowed to? Anyone should have the right to have fun the way they want to, not the way others tell them to. I notice that another mage posted in here saying that even with some goblins out of place, rafting is still very much doable.
  
  The other problem I have is that while you claim no one is telling archers not to raft, you say that only those who can 1-hit KO something should be rafting. By that standard, I shouldn't be rafting. So basically, what I see, is someone telling me "You can't 1-hit KO with your range so you should stop rafting". This mindset very much affects me and it irritates me that someone claims people can't do something because of what really should be considered the fault of the game.

  
  
  Go distinguish between a rage post and a sensible post. Obviously, my first post was to rage at nib archers. After that post, I clarified myself by saying that idc if archers/mage/alchemists raft as long as they actually clean after themselves.
  In fact, I don't even care if the person has low rank of magic/range/alchemy, as long as they can clean after themselves.[SIZE="2"] MY GRIEVANCE IS CLEARLY CAUSED BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T CLEAN AFTER THEMSELVES[/SIZE].
  
  The reason the example was archer is because they are the most common ones that mess the mobs up. Sure people could enter with ice bolts, but do they do that as often as archers? no. If you are disturbed by the fact i used archer as an example, I could replace archers with bolters. But the thing is it doesn't even matter; you are complaining about something irrelevant, thus derailing this thread.
  
  And sure the mages can clean up the mobs that noobs messed up with bolts, but the fact that I have to clean up after them is disturbing. I am not the noob's parent; why should I clean their crap up?
  
  No, the newbies does not deserve to enjoy rafting if they cannot take their responsibility. Just like how newbies shouldn't be at field bosses (not talking about dd or rd) if they don't know how to fight them properly, they shouldn't be rafting if they do not know how.
  
  Now this is not elitism that you accuse that it is because a ranger/mage with low ranks can still raft. If they know how to make sure the mobs don't follow them, then it is perfectly fine. Why when I had rF thunder, I rafted just fine without screwing the mobs up. Sure it wasn't efficient so I quit it after a few runs, but the point is even people without r1 everything can enjoy rafting as long as they have the knowledge.
  
  Thus the moral of this thread is if you don't know how to do something GTFO, but if you know how to do something, then welcome even if you aren't an elite. Lol this sounds so similar to real life.
• Zid wrote on 2010-09-30 23:52
  Everybody has to start to learn somewhere, and nobody learns the same.
  
  Also, can someone clarify to me why newbies shouldn't be at giant field bosses? Maybe I'm missing something here, but "shouldn't" in this case sounds fairly subjective.
• Adelynn wrote on 2010-09-30 23:53
  Would it not have been useful to clarify your first post with an edit? Unlike the official forums, we have those here. I'd very much like to have an edit button over there because an already dramatic forum gets even more dramatic because people can't clarify misunderstandings. That being said, the fact stands that your post in the beginning will still give people the initial impression that you're saying something very narrow. If you're going to ask someone to clean their stuff up when they may not know they're doing it in the first place, and do it in such an antagonizing manner, I can't say I sympathize with you.
  
  

  Thus the moral of this thread is if you don't know how to do something GTFO

  
  
  That still strikes me as particularly offputting, and it's only the post right above mine. Everyone starts out not knowing how to do something. They can't get to the point where they sort of know how to do it even if they're not amazing without training themselves on how to do it first.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-30 23:58

  Quote from abc33kr;171993:

  Go distinguish between a rage post and a sensible post. Obviously, my first post was to rage at nib archers. After that post, I clarified myself by saying that idc if archers/mage/alchemists raft as long as they actually clean after themselves.
  In fact, I don't even care if the person has low rank of magic/range/alchemy, as long as they can clean after themselves.[SIZE="2"] MY GRIEVANCE IS CLEARLY CAUSED BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T CLEAN AFTER THEMSELVES[/SIZE].
  
  The reason the example was archer is because they are the most common ones that mess the mobs up. Sure people could enter with ice bolts, but do they do that as often as archers? no. If you are disturbed by the fact i used archer as an example, I could replace archers with bolters. But the thing is it doesn't even matter; you are complaining about something irrelevant, thus derailing this thread.
  
  And sure the mages can clean up the mobs that noobs messed up with bolts, but the fact that I have to clean up after them is disturbing. I am not the noob's parent; why should I clean their crap up?
  
  No, the newbies does not deserve to enjoy rafting if they cannot take their responsibility. Just like how newbies shouldn't be at field bosses (not talking about dd or rd) if they don't know how to fight them properly, they shouldn't be rafting if they do not know how.
  
  Now this is not elitism that you accuse that it is because a ranger/mage with low ranks can still raft. If they know how to make sure the mobs don't follow them, then it is perfectly fine. Why when I had rF thunder, I rafted just fine without screwing the mobs up. Sure it wasn't efficient so I quit it after a few runs, but the point is even people without r1 everything can enjoy rafting as long as they have the knowledge.
  
  Thus the moral of this thread is if you don't know how to do something GTFO, but if you know how to do something, then welcome even if you aren't an elite. Lol this sounds so similar to real life.

  
  
  tldr version; Play the way I want you to play!
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-10-01 00:00

  Quote from Kaeporo;172016:

  tldr version; Play the way that benefits everyone!

  
  
  Thanks for the bolded parts.
  
  *reps*
• Adelynn wrote on 2010-10-01 00:18
  Actually, I think Kaeporo might have been making a poke at you by shortening your post to something along the lines of "People should play the way I tell them to play."
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-10-01 00:20

  Quote from Adelynn;172046:

  Actually, I think Kaeporo might have been making a poke at you by shortening your post to something along the lines of "People should play the way I tell them to play."

  
  
  xP
  
  u dun c wut i did dere.