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Time wrote on 2010-10-01 02:16
Quote from Osayidan;172235:
I don't like how mainstream science always assumes life requires the same basic stuff. We know relatively nothing of the universe, assuming such things is childish at best.
Yeah! Ive always thought this....Although my thoughts were more like, who the hell says there cant be rock monsters underground on mars.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-01 02:18
Quote from Osayidan;172235:
I don't like how mainstream science always assumes life requires the same basic stuff. We know relatively nothing of the universe, assuming such things is childish at best.
Because we formed from this "stuff."
And it's because we're the only life we know of right now. So instead of looking for other crazy factors which might give rise to life, we look for planets like Earth, which we know gave rise to life.
If we knew how "rock monsters" formed, we'd be looking for planets with possibility for "rock monster" life.
But we don't know how they form.
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Time wrote on 2010-10-01 02:24
Quote from Phunkie;172242:
Because we formed from this "stuff."
And it's because we're the only life we know of right now. So instead of looking for other crazy factors which might give rise to life, we look for planets like Earth, which we know gave rise to life.
If we knew how "rock monsters" formed, we'd be looking for planets with possibility for "rock monster" life.
But we don't know how they form.
In my mind it makes more sense to investigate places we can actually get to then to say, well, in this place we cant get to there may be life....But that would only make sense if money wasnt an issue i guess. I mean, if money wasnt an issue, we could investigate the places close by for rock monsters while developing the technology to actually do something about the life thats far away....
And yes, I see the train of thought, well, as far as we know, this is the way life works, but in the reality of the universe, that seems like a rather primitive thought, I mean, the universe is freaking huge, life could have somehow developed in more ways that we never thought of somehow.....Maybe......Its kinda like saying, well, were the center of the solar system, but then finding out were not, I guess is what Im trying to say........
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silentselene wrote on 2010-10-01 02:24
hmm, knowing that there might be life out there kind of scares me.
I'm happy at home now, so I'm not going to be one of the first travelers.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-01 02:26
Quote from Timexpo;172245:
In my mind it makes more sense to investigate places we can actually get to then to say, well, in this place we cant get to there may be life....But that would only make sense if money wasnt an issue i guess. I mean, if money wasnt an issue, we could investigate the places close by for rock monsters while developing the technology to actually do something about the life thats far away....
Life on Earth was due to water, so we believe water's a big factor.
So we look for planets with water.
Technology costs a lot of money, so scientists make the best of it; aka not searching for crazy things like rock monsters.
Plus, a rock monster isn't a good idea of life, IMO.
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Time wrote on 2010-10-01 02:30
Quote from Phunkie;172250:
Life on Earth was due to water, so we believe water's a big factor.
So we look for planets with water.
Technology costs a lot of money, so scientists make the best of it; aka not searching for crazy things like rock monsters.
Plus, a rock monster isn't a good idea of life, IMO.
Yeah, thats why I said if money wasnt an issue....
And your crushing my dreams of rock monster life.......Actually, rock monsters make no sense, there just the first thing that jumped into my mind, something more along the lines of, doesnt need the same gases, or water isnt important and is somehow developed around something different.
Also edited my first post, and also, Im really tired, so if these posts dont make sense, thats why....
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Osayidan wrote on 2010-10-01 02:32
For example, we know carbon based life forms (pretty much all of earth). What if we're so busy looking for that we end up missing silicon or some other element based life forms within our own solar system? I would personally execute the scientists who made such decisions.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-01 02:35
Sorry! haha
But yeah, here you go. :)
First creatures discovered that need no oxygen.
The creatures reside deep in one of the harshest environments on earth: the Mediterranean Ocean's L'Atalante basin, which contains salt brine so dense that it doesn't mix with the oxygen-containing waters above.
[Image: http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/assets/2010/04/07/sn-anoxic.jpg]
ScienceShot: Animals That Live Without Oxygen - ScienceNOW
Right here on Earth too.
We search for extreme environments like these, since that's where we believed life first arose. But yeah totally, something could breathe methane or whatnot. We just think that water (or some sort of liquid medium for cells to transport stuff in) is highly important.
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Tatsu wrote on 2010-10-01 02:36
According to evolution, isn't there a possibility that whatever life forms that exist on other planets will eventually adapt to being able to live without water? Or alternatively, we're the planet where the lifeforms had to adapt so that we can live with water? >.>
Personally, if there's life on the planet with primitive-level intelligence, human morals will be thrown out the window and they'll probably become our slaves. Or alternatively, be like how the US was formed, and we all slowly move into that family, and start murdering the natives because they don't live the 'normal' way.
God, am I hoping that we'll do this like Star Trek and we just observe the planet from far away, seeing how they live.
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Mrlucky77 wrote on 2010-10-01 02:37
Well, many discoveries are found through the "scientific steps" (Question -> Hypothesis -> Procedure -> Observation -> conclusion -> theory -> Revise theory for as many times -> Published).
IMO, That is why scientists believe life could be on there, because we can't go any further than Theory as we don't know of any life but on Earth. And also bacterium and stuff. But that's not what we're looking for.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-01 02:38
I'm all down for meeting them. Yeah, some might be mean, but some might be nice.
Though I foresee lots of wars and problems. But man, imagine how much we could learn about other life and how life forms and whatnot.
By this time, we'd need to build up our space military though to fend off future invaders as well.
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Tatsu wrote on 2010-10-01 02:44
Quote from Phunkie;172262:
By this time, we'd need to build up our space military though to fend off future invaders as well.
And assuming that Doctor Who is right, nuclear weapons will be completely worthless when it comes to destroying battleships!
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Moppy wrote on 2010-10-01 02:52
Now I'm even more excited for Space Science next semester! :D
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Lan wrote on 2010-10-01 03:22
Quote from Phunkie;172262:
I'm all down for meeting them. Yeah, some might be mean, but some might be nice.
Though I foresee lots of wars and problems. But man, imagine how much we could learn about other life and how life forms and whatnot.
By this time, we'd need to build up our space military though to fend off future invaders as well.
I still vote we eat them if they're tasty.
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Chillax wrote on 2010-10-01 03:53
We base it our definition of life on carbon and water because that's what we know, and they're relatively stable enough for many chemical reactions in comparison to other elements and molecules.
Also, inb4 racism against aliens.