Letting Everyone Vote?

• Time wrote on 2010-10-01 22:32

  Quote from Osayidan;172859:

  Because certain tasks require certain abilities. The whole process of finding a job is technically discriminating over people's abilities until you come across those who fit what you need. If someone who worked as a farmer his whole life and only graduated high school came to me asking for a job working anywhere near servers I would kindly show him the door and give the job to someone who had a good education and was certified to use the technology in question.
  
  There's so much discriminating in that process that it's ridiculous, but that's why we don't have slaughter house butchers performing open heart surgery.

  
  
  But thats not the point of government.....The whole point is that its for the people, whether they are smart, dumb, great at everything, or fail epically. The point is that everyones opinion matters.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-10-01 22:34

  Quote from Timexpo;172862:

  But thats not the point of government.....The whole point is that its for the good of the people, whether they are smart, dumb, great at everything, or fail epically. The point is that everyones opinion matters, unless it'll **** us over.

  
  
  That's how democracy should be :D!
• Osayidan wrote on 2010-10-01 22:45

  Quote from Timexpo;172862:

  But thats not the point of government.....The whole point is that its for the people, whether they are smart, dumb, great at everything, or fail epically. The point is that everyones opinion matters.

  
  
  I added onto my post about voting, but to answer to that, opinions change, whereas votes are a one time thing.
  If you vote for a president, and he wins, then he does something retarded and you change your mind, and even if most people who voted for him also change their minds (meaning if there was a new vote, the other guy would win instead) you're stuck with him until his 4 years are up, unless what he did was really bad (and not just a stupid move) and he gets impeached.
• Magenera wrote on 2010-10-03 20:52
  One thing? We are talking about the United States right? If we are, as Osayidan puts it, we are picking between two parties that going to screw us over anyhow. There is several things wrong with having a test? 1)What makes you think people won't just pick their party anyway? Which would kinda defeat the reason for the test. 2) The last time the test where put in it was to keep out votes of other ethnic origins. 3) The media is what gives the people hype on which candidate, to which we go to reason 1. 4) We have a low voting rate as it is, why do we need to make it lower? The upper class already owns congress, do we really need it to be that only the Upper class gets a say now? 5) This is actually asking for trouble if it was to be implemented,or even thought of, we talking about a ****storm.
• Cryosite wrote on 2010-10-05 07:22

  Quote from Timexpo;172508:

  If your post is as sarcastic as it should be, skip the rest of this post, if your actually serious read it.
  
  Um, your "rant" goes from saying that people should only speak English in America, to protecting their own dumb selves, so Im assuming means your calling people who dont speak english dumb, if this is the case, you need to tone done the ethnocentrism, take a reality check, and be far less ignorant.

  
  
  There was no sarcasm or ignorance in my post.
  
  I honestly don't give a rat's ass which language we all end up speaking, I'm tired as hell from people speaking 50 million different laguages, bad translations, and no one being able to hold a god damn covernsation with each other. There are too many allowances made to try to facilitate people speaking other languages. I live in the US, and our official language is English. It's harsh, draconian, and certainly screws over some people, but I say if you can't speak it, gtfo.
  
  As for "protecting their own dumb selves" you're combining the two. Someone being a fool and voting on things they dont' understand is still a fool regardless of what language they speak. Read the rest. If you don't understand that which you vote on, you're essentially voting at random. Given two choices to vote on randomly, you have a 50% chance of picking the one that hurts you more. At least if someone is informed they stand better odds of at least picking the option that, since they understand it, agrees with their own beliefs in what is better. They can still be wrong, but at least they actually have a say in the matter.
  
  

  Quote from Timexpo;172508:

  Okay, so lets dissect this some more......
  You want to discriminate against people who dont speak English.....But you do realize, the whole point is for those people TO vote....IF they have NO CLUE what theyre voting for, chances are, theyre not going to, same with people who speak English, but if they actually have an opinion on the matter, they vote for what they want, because they, are, citizens. And, is another matter when discrimination is based on ability? Thats okay? Why is discrimation against anyone okay?

  
  
  Discrimination, as others have already posted, happens. Learn the difference between good and bad discrimination. Or else we'll have to stop with our discriminatory laws against people who like to rape, steal, and murder. Oh wait, we discriminate against sociopaths that harm our society. Can't have that now, can we?
  
  As stated above, I want one damn language. In the US it happens to be English. If it were spanish, I'd say iOle! and tell stupid english-speakers to learn to comprende. (yes I know that isn't grammar friendly). In order for there to be only one language, people who speak other than that one language have to learn a different one and deal. If someone is interested in voting, and had to speak that one language (and read it) then it would behoove them to learn the language. Which is fine by me.
  
  If there is any ignorance going on here, its in thinking people who don't understand what they're voting on won't vote.
  
  

  Quote from Timexpo;172862:

  But thats not the point of government.....The whole point is that its for the people, whether they are smart, dumb, great at everything, or fail epically. The point is that everyones opinion matters.

  
  
  The point of the government is to keep people from screwing each other over in an anarchy situation where the strong eventually become dictators. The basic premise behind a democracy is that given thousands of people with thousands of opinions, it's impossible to please everyone, but as long as you go along with the majority, the fewest people get screwed over.
  
  That doesn't work so well in practice, which is why we're not a pure democracy. We're a democratic republic. Our government system inherently understands that the majority of people are stupid effing sheep, and if that flock of baa'ing idiots actually ran things, we'd all be screwed over.
  
  

  Quote from Arsik;172797:

  Should be like how it worked in Starship Troopers. If you want to vote (and become a citizen instead of just a civilian), then you have to serve for the minimum term in the military, or in the case that you can't physically handle military training/duties, then be a civil servant for very little (meaning that you're willing to put your country/community before yourself). This way, if someone really wants to be part of the country, then they would be willing to sacrifice themselves for said country. If not, then they can just continue to be civilians (not necessary a bad thing, just they can't vote and they have very little say in what the government says).
  
  That's what I think anyways.

  
  
  I strongly agree with this, and loved that movie for it. I think if you want a voice, there needs to be some proof of your competence and willingness to improve the way our country is ran. Service in the military or civil service equivalents are an excellent method of doing so, far better than a simple test. But a test is a step in the right direction.