Crash Shot Damage?

• Zack wrote on 2010-10-09 21:43
  Is the damage Ranged Attack damage or your Magnum Shot damage?
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-09 22:04
  It will be the % of your damage range for your range attack. Magnum is a 500% modifier of your range damage (if Magnum is r1).
  
  Think Smash/WM. They both are dependent on your melee damage, but have different % damage modifiers.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-10-10 04:48
  Magnum Shot is independent of Crash Shot with exception to the stats gained from either skill. They have noncompounding damage multipliers.
  
  Crash Shot deals 100% damage to the initial target and (if there are other enemies within the splash range) either knocks back or stuns the initial target depending on whether or not the initial damage killed the initial target. The attack follows with a second additional blast which deals 150-250% damage to all targets within range (up to a maximum of six at r1) with exception to the initial target which receives damage equal to 150-250% multiplied by the number of fragments emitted during the explosion. Against six targets, the initial target will receive 540-900% damage.
  
  Only the initial target will draw agro.
• Jando wrote on 2010-10-10 07:29

  Quote from Kaeporo;180563:

  Magnum Shot is independent of Crash Shot with exception to the stats gained from either skill. They have noncompounding damage multipliers.
  
  Crash Shot deals 100% damage to the initial target and (if there are other enemies within the splash range) either knocks back or stuns the initial target depending on whether or not the initial damage killed the initial target. The attack follows with a second additional blast which deals 150-250% damage to all targets within range (up to a maximum of six at r1) with exception to the initial target which receives damage equal to 150-250% multiplied by the number of fragments emitted during the explosion. Against six targets, the initial target will receive 540-900% damage.
  
  Only the initial target will draw agro.

  
  
  So with that being said. r1 Crash shot VS r1 Magnum on a group of 7 mobs grouped up, Crash would out damage Magnum?
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-10 07:42

  Quote from Jando;180624:

  So with that being said. r1 Crash shot VS r1 Magnum on a group of 7 mobs grouped up, Crash would out damage Magnum?

  
  
  I sure hope so. That is like WM 7 targets and asking if it out damage a smash.
• Zack wrote on 2010-10-10 17:37
  Thanks for the answers :D
• sakraycore wrote on 2010-10-10 18:14
  which does more damage, crash shot or magnum if used on 2 enemies?
• Zid wrote on 2010-10-11 02:06

  Quote from sakraycore;180779:

  which does more damage, crash shot or magnum if used on 2 enemies?

  
  
  Let's see...
  
  r1 Magnum Shot = 500% Ranged dmg on the target, 20% Ranged dmg on the other enemy if it's within 350 range of the target.
  
  r1 Crash Shot = 100% Ranged dmg on the target, 150%~250% on the other enemy if it's within 700 range of the target. Finally, reflected fragment dmg for the initial target is 0.6*(150%~250%)*(1) which is 90%~150%, which when added with the initial damage is 190%~250%. Assume the max dmg roll on the calculations.
  
  Magnum Shot pelted out 500% + 20% (or a total of 520%) Ranged dmg, while Crash Shot did 250% + 250% (or a total of 500%) Ranged dmg. Magnum Shot deals more dmg in this case. This is without Critical.
• Kaon wrote on 2010-10-11 03:25
  There's also the case of load time. In the time it takes to load and fire the one crash shot, could have loaded and fired at least 3 magnums easily, and waited for decent aim meter each time.
  
  On an elf at least.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-10-11 04:37

  Quote from Zid;181226:

  Let's see...
  
  r1 Magnum Shot = 500% Ranged dmg on the target, 20% Ranged dmg on the other enemy if it's within 350 range of the target.
  
  r1 Crash Shot = 100% Ranged dmg on the target, 150%~250% on the other enemy if it's within 700 range of the target. Finally, reflected fragment dmg for the initial target is 0.6*(150%~250%)*(1) which is 90%~150%, which when added with the initial damage is 190%~250%. Assume the max dmg roll on the calculations.
  
  Magnum Shot pelted out 500% + 20% (or a total of 520%) Ranged dmg, while Crash Shot did 250% + 250% (or a total of 500%) Ranged dmg. Magnum Shot deals more dmg in this case. This is without Critical.

  
  
  I dislike the way Magnum Shot's splash damage is listed on the wiki. It should state 50% and then 100% at r1 because the splash damage is calculated independently of the primary damage.
  
  At rank 1, Crash Shot deals 100% damage to the initial target. The other targets (up to five) receive splash damage while the initial target receives fragmentation damage which is equal to 90-150% x target count.
  
  When used against varying numbers of opponent's Crash Shot deals the following amounts of damage.
  
  1 target: (100%)
  2 targets: Initial (100%) + (180-300%), Splash (150-250%)
  3 targets: Initial (100%) + (270-450%), Splash (150-250%)
  4 targets: Initial (100%) + (360-600%), Splash (150-250%)
  5 targets: Initial (100%) + (450-750%), Splash (150-250%)
  6 targets: Initial (100%) + (540-900%), Splash (150-250%)
  
  High-end ranged combat looks just like high-end melee combat come G12. Windmill, windmill, windmill becomes crash shot, crash shot, crash shot. Humans will use Arrow Revolver to clean up and magnum shot against single targets while elves will use ranged attack and magnum shot.
  
  Crash Shot's splash damage does not cause agro. Must I repeat this statement?
• Jando wrote on 2010-10-11 09:17
  FFFF. I am so getting Crash Shot to r1, even though its going to take me 7 weeks to do (maybe less). More rep for Kaeporo for being so pro at knowing al lthis stuff. +1 Respect.
• Jando wrote on 2010-10-13 08:29
  Wanting to revive this thread, the wiki has changed Crash shot. Its gone from Initial target then to the +% damage from targets in the splash to Explosion Damage (Per Target) (%). Is splash still calculated the same?
• hengsheng120 wrote on 2010-10-13 08:53
  it doesn't change the formula for calculating the damage.
  
  (0.6 * highest damage) is just a way of saying "minimum damage" or explosion damage per target without having the user trying figure out what their damage is from looking at the chart
  
  it's even more correct when "minimum damage" got changed to to explosion damage per target
  
  what did change was the fact that there is no minimum damage on the splash, so it will become similar to Magnum+windmill at rank 1
  
  explosion damage % per target to splash damage has the constant ratio of 0.6
  
  the data in reality never changed much, with the exception of an added formula to calculate from observation and name changes
• ShadowFox31 wrote on 2010-10-13 09:01
  Crash shot is useful, but only at high ranks. I'm still ranking it at the moment (only C), but water has rank 3 already. She says that it isn't really useful till rank 5. Also, It makes archery so useful in Rafting now. I'll try to post a video up of me and her (mostly her) using crash shot rafting.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-10-13 09:05

  Quote from hengsheng120;183165:

  it doesn't change the formula for calculating the damage.
  
  (0.6 * highest damage) is just a way of saying "minimum damage" or explosion damage per target without having the user trying figure out what their damage is from looking at the chart
  
  it's even more correct when "minimum damage" got changed to to explosion damage per target
  
  what did change was the fact that there is no minimum damage on the splash, so it will become similar to Magnum+windmill at rank 1
  
  explosion damage % per target to splash damage has the constant ratio of 0.6

  
  
  Correct me if i'm wrong but the NA wiki now reflects the information in the JP wiki.
  
  Initial Damage: 100%
  Fragmentation: 150% x Target Count
  Splash: 250%