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qaccy wrote on 2010-10-11 04:28
Once again, I've come back after a long-ish break so I'm once again trying to figure out where all the good exp is hiding. I've done a few Tara shadow missions already, and the best one I found was Their Method. If nothing else, it lets me become what I'm hunting which I consider a plus for grinding! But back on-topic, I clear HM Their Method in 9-10 minutes (faster if I get to use Pally) depending on how many crits I rack up, which comes out to about 13-14k exp/minute.
With the new (for me) premium service taking away camping penalties, I went over to lions next to see how they turned out, but I was let down a bit because they came out to a bit under 11k exp/minute just running around OHKOing them. I also noticed that (at least on Tarlach) there aren't any bugged spawn channels anymore, so I didn't feel like checking desert bears.
Anyway, what I'm wondering is how close to the mark I am with spamming Their Method for exp. Are there any faster alternatives for a primarily solo player like myself? Thanks!
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Justified wrote on 2010-10-11 04:33
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-11 04:34
How about Shadow Cast City in Hard Mode? You may need some pet play or range to pick out the 5 archer groups though. Not sure if it is better than Their Method in Hardmode.
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qaccy wrote on 2010-10-11 05:01
Hm, I've tried SCC but the Doppelganger kinda raped my face a bunch 'cause I wasn't used to him. Add in that I haven't finished g9 yet so I can't cheese it with Adniel and...yeah.
I liked Cuilin 'cause of the free golem crystals in addition to the exp.
Shadow Warrior though...never really tried that one. I mostly did Cuilin and Crag Cow before Tara came out. >>;
At least I'm pretty sure now that I'm in the right place for exp!
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Jando wrote on 2010-10-11 09:20
Their Method is best for Exp, gold and just down right awesome rewards. Your better to stick with that since you net over 122k per mission. And with BurgundyBear ES, Thin ES and 3cm diamonds, the rewards are pretty rewarding. You'll probably won't find anything better solo wise. Defeat the Shad Wiz with 8 people is pretty haxors in the exp department though.
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Intaine wrote on 2010-10-11 09:45
SCC is approximately 100k experience at ADV, itd be close to double in HM id expect. Wouldn't that make it more superior to Their Method HM?
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Jando wrote on 2010-10-11 11:14
Quote from Intaine;181471:
SCC is approximately 100k experience at ADV, itd be close to double in HM id expect. Wouldn't that make it more superior to Their Method HM?
Their Method is only zombies and wm so its difficulty is super easy which what makes such a great sm but at the same time super boring.
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Meron wrote on 2010-10-11 11:17
Quote from Intaine;181471:
SCC is approximately 100k experience at ADV, itd be close to double in HM id expect. Wouldn't that make it more superior to Their Method HM?
Doesn't that really depend on how much time you need for the missions? Best way is to run both Their Method and SCC on Adv/HM and see which gives most exp a minute
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Jando wrote on 2010-10-11 12:09
Quote from Meron;181479:
Doesn't that really depend on how much time you need for the missions? Best way is to run both Their Method and SCC on Adv/HM and see which gives most exp a minute
I would personally do Their Method since it only takes 10mins and I only have to rely on one skill and sp pots. SSC brings a whole new can of worms to the table since you have multi aggro, that shadow ghost thing (I hate those things) and the g10 finale like boss. (hits so fudging hard), This is just my preference though. SCC can be run with others to make it more beneficial or something.
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Meron wrote on 2010-10-11 12:16
Quote from Jando;181484:
I would personally do Their Method since it only takes 10mins and I only have to rely on one skill and sp pots. SSC brings a whole new can of worms to the table since you have multi aggro, that shadow ghost thing (I hate those things) and the g10 finale like boss. (hits so fudging hard), This is just my preference though. SCC can be run with others to make it more beneficial or something.
I'd run Their Method too xD But well some ppl prefer SCC and if it also gives more exp a minute it's worth it I guess
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Jando wrote on 2010-10-11 12:32
Quote from Meron;181486:
I'd run Their Method too xD But well some ppl prefer SCC and if it also gives more exp a minute it's worth it I guess
More exp for more effort.
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IceBlade wrote on 2010-10-11 14:29
Average exp per SCC HM:
[Image: http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4255/scchmavgexp.jpg]
Average exp per TM HM:
[Image: http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6596/tmhmavgexp.jpg]
It would seem that SCC has better exp for one or two people than TM, but the effect of time should also be considered.
The effect of time can easily be determined by using a time coefficient. By multiplying your known average time with the time coefficient, you can determine in how much time you have to do the other mission to equal the exp/min you're getting from your current training method.
[Image: http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2913/sccvstmhmtimec.jpg]
So if you know your SCC time then multiply your SCC time with the number in the "SCC time X" column and vice versa. The answer you'll get is the time you'd have to run the other mission in for it to deliver the same exp/min as what you normally get. For example: Say it takes you 20 min to solo SCC, then you'd have to run TM in 11 min to have the same exp/min ratio. If you run it in less than 11 min however, then TM gives you a better exp/min ratio than SCC and vice versa.
(Assumptions made in the calculations: There's an equal amount of male and female Zombies in TM. For SCC Mob exp was calculated using weighted average exp, under the assumption that in any set of spawns no mob composition has preference over the others.)
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Okami wrote on 2010-10-11 15:48
Honestly Their Method is waaaaaaaay to boring for me. I either run with a friend on SCC/Enemy Behind or I usually just don't run at all. 8l
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-11 19:09
Their Method Hardmode has too much protection/hp. It takes a little more than 10 minutes or so to run Their Method. However, it takes less than 15 minutes for me to run SCC.
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Jando wrote on 2010-10-11 20:15
Quote from IceBlade;181507:
(Assumptions made in the calculations: There's an equal amount of male and female Zombies in TM. For SCC Mob exp was calculated using weighted average exp, under the assumption that in any set of spawns no mob composition has preference over the others.)
With 44 zombies in Their Method 22 of them are males and 22 of them are females. With that being said you still have the factor of pots, SCC would use more. Things like nao stones, pet rez kits all have to be abused, then you have the trouble of multiaggro. Sure its better exp but for x10 more work?