Alchemy Cylinder

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damolition7854 wrote on 2010-10-12 13:42

Hey guys. I did a search on Cylinder, Flame Burst, Water Cannon, and alchemy and I didn't find anything about this so sorry if there is something about this already im sorry..

So recently I decide to dab in alchemy a little bit and I found WC to be very very fun and a effective way to run through harder dungeons. I.E owning my nemeisises damn black ship rats -___-. I, also, want to get Flame Burst too cause it looks awesome and who doesn't love a little protection ignoring. Before i do though i wanted to clarify a few things..
firstly, when you ignore protection is that ONLY for crit or does that apply to the damage reduction that protection would have too?
secondly, assuming i have r1 WC should i rank Flame next or Alch. Mastery?
and third, would I be able to effectively combo with WC and Flame if I use a water cylinder on one set and switch to a fire cylinder on the second set. Or is it just better to stick to a normal cylinder even with the lower damage?
Thanks guys! yall are awesome as always
IceBlade wrote on 2010-10-12 13:50

1. It only ignores protection for determining crit rate.
2. You should probably rank Alch. Mastery while training your other skills. It needs a ***** load of crystal making to rank.
3. Sorry, but I have no idea on this.
Zid wrote on 2010-10-12 14:28

Flame Burst will only ignore Protection to calculate its Critical rate.

Alchemy Mastery should be ranked up whenever it's available, as it boosts your Alchemy damage by a percentage. For your Cylinder loadout, a normal Cylinder is fine. Relying on a certain attribute Cylinder usually means you'll be using that attribute a lot more, or you're going against stronger enemies that require much more power boost.
Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-10-12 14:43

Alchemy Mastery should be made a priority.

You also need to consider what other skill to pick up because of the whole load of crystal making. The easiest choices being either frozen blast or barrier spike.

In terms of usability, barrier spikes will be easier and better since it is already quite usable without alchemy mastery needing to be a high rank and you can put it down 100% of the time. Barrier spikes is great combination with water cannon too, once it is Rank 5 and above. Frozen blast crystal-making success rates are low, but snowballs are in easy abundance compared to wood.
damolition7854 wrote on 2010-10-12 17:50

Ok so Alchem Mastery it is and im gna rank Barrier spikes with it :). Another quick question though.. supposed i decide to stick to only one element, most people say that its by preference. I personally like Flame better but WC seems to have a LOT more advantages. For one thing there are enchants that you can actually get and put on all of ur equips. Then there is the fact that you can fire it through barrier spikes (awesome bonus). On the other hand I love that Flame is multi and that, also, i wont have to worry about crit rate in harder dungeons. Even then though, the extra damage boost that you can get for WC and you can't get for Flame makes me debate. Does the "color" enchant actually increase the damage of ur alchemy btw?
Zid wrote on 2010-10-12 21:20

Quote from damolition7854;182318:
Ok so Alchem Mastery it is and im gna rank Barrier spikes with it :). Another quick question though.. supposed i decide to stick to only one element, most people say that its by preference. I personally like Flame better but WC seems to have a LOT more advantages. For one thing there are enchants that you can actually get and put on all of ur equips. Then there is the fact that you can fire it through barrier spikes (awesome bonus). On the other hand I love that Flame is multi and that, also, i wont have to worry about crit rate in harder dungeons. Even then though, the extra damage boost that you can get for WC and you can't get for Flame makes me debate. Does the "color" enchant actually increase the damage of ur alchemy btw?

If it's not "Alchemic Damage Increase" but "Min/Max Damage Increase" (like from Color enchant), the damage goes on top of your skill after totaling the additional boost from charges, instead of the damage going on top of each charge. I think the formula is:

(Skill rank damage range + Alchemic damage enchants) * (Number of charges) + (Regular damage enchants)

For example, Color enchant can give up to +4 Max Damage, while Water Drop gives +5 Water Alchemic Damage. If you use Color, the +4 max damage will only apply at the end of the formula, on top of the total damage from all the charges. If you use Water Drop, the +5 damage will apply per charge.