Best FH Weapon?

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Zatrox wrote on 2010-04-22 23:43

Figuring out what weapons to invest in to fit my needs.
I run a lot of Hard dungeons where the protection rate is relatively high.. however since I'm DK I tend to have lots of crit anyway :awesome:

So my question is, what is ideal for maximizing FH dmg. output?
FAST or SLOW weapons speed?
Critical or max damage (hohoh beholder sword)?
Kenny? wrote on 2010-04-22 23:49

I use upgraded daggers. If You can find 11+ durability daggers, these upgrade paths will do perfect.

http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Dagger
Upgrade path 170 and 175.
When it says blade refinement #, Blade refinement is shown as an upgrade called 'recast edge' in game.
Chiri wrote on 2010-04-23 00:08

Best? Probably 220 dirks or 295 Beholders.
What you'll probably end up using are daggers though~
Haydrian wrote on 2010-04-23 00:33

Depending on the dura of the dagger either 100 or 170 Goddess Obsidian daggers <3

I have 100's because I have 2 black 8 duras that are very hott daggers. If they were smithed with better dura i'd have gone 170 though.
Aubog007 wrote on 2010-04-23 01:22

I'm fine with my Rank F FH (for now anyway) with un-upgraded gladius'.
Does fine for me killing Golems and Intergolems with Pally before the time runs out (total level 45).
Can't wait for rank 1. Boss room clearer for me.
Shirayuki wrote on 2010-04-23 01:25

Beholder swords would be the best at 89+ Max Dmg. No crit, but since you say you DK a lot, crit shouldn't really matter... Though if you're on a lower budget, you can use Ratmen daggers. Mix of Crit and (low-ish) Dmg.
Nevermind wrote on 2010-04-23 01:57

Quote from Shirayuki;15884:
Beholder swords would be the best at 89+ Max Dmg. No crit, but since you say you DK a lot, crit shouldn't really matter... Though if you're on a lower budget, you can use Ratmen daggers. Mix of Crit and (low-ish) Dmg.

Crit, at high-tier dungeons, is pointless until you get past a certain point.. basically anything under 50-75% = useless ;p
I guess it would be smarter to have a crit-FH set and a maxdmg-FH set.. yes?
Chillax wrote on 2010-04-23 06:13

For pure max damage, Beholder Swords can't be beat.

For highest crit, Daggers win this one by nearly a 10 point margin at 53% for an upgraded npc dagger, not including gem upgrades.
Justified wrote on 2010-04-23 09:35

Quote from Nevermind;15949:
Crit, at high-tier dungeons, is pointless until you get past a certain point.. basically anything under 50-75% = useless ;p
I guess it would be smarter to have a crit-FH set and a maxdmg-FH set.. yes?

The smart thing would be to have a set that has just the right balance so that it Crits in high-tier dungeons without going overboard and wasted potential +Damage upgrades.
I gave it a bit of thought and just ended up going with 175 God/Obs Daggers. With a full damage gear, plus Stiff Cap, I think my Crit is around 80-110 in trans.

-- Some rough calculations supporting Fast speed weapons --
Assuming around 200 Str (80 Base Max), around +50 from Enchants (kinda low) - a 175 Dagger is 35 Damage (165 total) and 35 Critical versus a 222 Broadsword 73 Damage (203 total) and 30 Critical.

Attack Speed:
Very Fast - 470ms
Fast - 535ms
Normal - 600ms
Slow - 800ms
Very Slow - 1000ms

Fast weapons hit roughly 1.5x as fast as Slow weapons.
165 x 1.5 = 247 for Daggers, 203 for Broadswords.
Stat boost from transformations will just add to base power, making Daggers that much better. The only advantage you have with Slow weapons is that they stun longer, meaning you could bounce around instead of slaughtering one target - however it's pretty risky doing that since they can still retaliate if the stun isn't long enough. I haven't tried it since I don't even have a pair of Slow weapons. Though, Daggers are also penalized by defense more often and lose more durability.
Drago wrote on 2010-04-23 13:06

Haunter haun haaauunnn haunt.

(i believe the best if your not uber rich and can afford dirks and beholders is upgraded daggers just the speed between each hit will keep alot of HS enemies from hitting ya.)
EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-04-23 13:32

High upgraded daggers would be the best for FH. Generally, if you are doing shadow hard mode missions, it is good to have around 100% critical rate. If you are doing Hard Mode dungeons, FH probably isn't a good way to go. If you are strong enough to FH all that HP of Hard Mode dungeons, you probably can 1-2 Smash them.
Kayate wrote on 2010-04-23 18:39

i would say daggers since they have good critical and are pretty fast