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"Land Of Confusion"

[Originally by Genesis]

I must have dreamed a thousand dreams
Been haunted by a million screams
But I can hear the marching feet
They're moving into the street

Now, did you read the news today?
They say the danger has gone away
But I can see the fire's still alight
They're burning into the night

There's too many men, too many people
Making too many problems
And there's not much love to go around
Can't you see this is a land of confusion?

This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in

Oh, superman, where are you now?
When everything's gone wrong somehow?
The men of steel, these men of power
Are losing control by the hour

This is the time, this is the place
So we look for the future
But there's not much love to go around
Tell me why this is a land of confusion

This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in

I remember long ago
When the sun was shining
And all the stars were bright all through the night
In the wake of this madness, as I held you tight
So long ago

I won't be coming home tonight
My generation will put it right
We're not just making promises
That we know we'll never keep

There's too many men, too many people
Making too many problems
And there's not much love to go round
Can't you see this is a land of confusion?

Now, this is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth fighting for

This is the world we live in
And these are the names we're given
Stand up and let's start showing
Just where our lives are going to

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DISTURBED LYRICS - Land Of Confusion

This is the question i want to put out to everyone who wants to answer it. What do you think of this? Do you agree or disagree? and why?

I'll answer this question now myself. I completely agree with this and think this is a strong video that gives a strong message out there about whats going on with the world now. There's alot thats wrong that can be righted and should be righted. From my opinion, we live in a world controlled by the "men of steel" who decide what is what and take power over everything. The world we should live in should not be like that. Look at communism and capitalism.... they're doing the same thing over and over....

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Hope this is self-explanatory :lol:
Anyhow... i'd like to now forward the question to anyone who is will to answer or reply. What do you think?

Notes~~~ Clean debate please.

No cursing others, even if you dont like/disagree with their opinion
No "TLDR" posts >>> the point of a debate is to actually read the posts and think about them then answer
No spamming/deragatory/insulting messages >>> nothing hateful/biased/racist/sexist....etc

The video have a very skewed perception of the world. It make it sound like getting rid of the politicians will solve the world's "problems". You can easily blame the people in power for all the world's "problems", but in reality, everyone contributes to the "problems".

Commumism = Everyone equally screwed
Capitalism = Only the bottom is screwed as long as they choose to stay there

There is really no communism state right now though because it does not work in reality.

Increase population = more chance for problems, and more chance for solutions.

In short, while the video is somewhat creative, the message in the video is pretty stupid and counterproductive.

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The video have a very skewed perception of the world. It make it sound like getting rid of the politicians will solve the world's "problems". You can easily blame the people in power for all the world's "problems", but in reality, everyone contributes to the "problems".

Commumism = Everyone equally screwed
Capitalism = Only the bottom is screwed as long as they choose to stay there

There is really no communism state right now though because it does not work in reality.

Increase population = more chance for problems, and more chance for solutions.

In short, while the video is somewhat creative, the message in the video is pretty stupid and counterproductive.

In reality, many of the problems of the world come from immature decisions and judgments made by politicians. Look at George Bush as an example. What did he do except drag America into wars with the eastern part of the world, created chaos, destruction, and got on many people's bad sides.

On another note;

[COLOR=#0000ff]Commumism = Everyone equally screwed
Capitalism = Only the bottom is screwed as long as they choose to stay there

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Capitalism doesn't work either because its power and greed controlling fear that in turn controls the people at the "bottom". In capitalism, most of the power is given to a few which results in the rest of the people below being screwed over. Also, i feel you're incorrect when saying that the bottom is only screwed as long as they choose to stay there; no in fact, its more of the power at the top that is preventing the people at the bottom from moving up. Have you noticed? the social network in society's gap is widening between the rich and poor. You also have more levels of power; homeless > poor (poverty) > average > rich > and elite. Every group is trying to reach the group above it and prohibit the group below it from advancing.

[COLOR=#0000ff]In short, while the video is somewhat creative, the message in the video is pretty stupid and counterproductive.

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[COLOR=darkorchid]I must disagree with you on that note since i feel that this video provides a new way to think about life and gives a useful message that can be contemplated. [FONT=Comic Sans MS]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=#ee82ee]There's too many men, too many people[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Making too many problems[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]And there's not much love to go around[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Can't you see this is a land of confusion?[/FONT]

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[/COLOR]This to me gives the message that there's many people who are trying to do more harm than good. I'm not saying that only politicians are the reason, but its mostly people in power who abuse it. Money and Power. This is the biggest motivation for abuse of power, corruption, greed, and "total control" of everything. Look at the twisted justice system, or the huge segregation in America for example. Why can't people live with each other instead of having hatred towards each other based on their beliefs, culture, background, or skin color? Why do you have people trying to control resources of the world just so they can control the market or economy of the world? What was the point of the whole "Iraq" war? Did they find any WMD's? no. Did they smuggle oil out of there? Yes, and they've done it long before it became public that America was having "business dealings" with Iraq regarding their "oil".

I feel that you should re-evaluate the video a little more closely instead of dismissing it readily as being "stupid" or "counterproductive" since i doubt it would have been made if it did not serve any purpose or importance, even by a little.

Dragonite :tea:

In reality, many of the problems of the world come from immature decisions and judgments made by politicians. Look at George Bush as an example. What did he do except drag America into wars with the eastern part of the world, created chaos, destruction, and got on many people's bad sides.

Politics is about promoting the interests of your own country, and it is not always advantageous to be righteous.

Capitalism doesn't work either because its power and greed controlling fear that in turn controls the people at the "bottom". In capitalism, most of the power is given to a few which results in the rest of the people below being screwed over. Also, i feel you're incorrect when saying that the bottom is only screwed as long as they choose to stay there; no in fact, its more of the power at the top that is preventing the people at the bottom from moving up. Have you noticed? the social network in society's gap is widening between the rich and poor. You also have more levels of power; homeless > poor (poverty) > average > rich > and elite. Every group is trying to reach the group above it and prohibit the group below it from advancing.

It seems to be the best system from the ones that have been implemented thus far, unless you would like to propose a new and better one.

I must disagree with you on that note since i feel that this video provides a new way to think about life and gives a useful message that can be contemplated.
This to me gives the message that there's many people who are trying to do more harm than good. I'm not saying that only politicians are the reason, but its mostly people in power who abuse it. Money and Power. This is the biggest motivation for abuse of power, corruption, greed, and "total control" of everything. Look at the twisted justice system, or the huge segregation in America for example. Why can't people live with each other instead of having hatred towards each other based on their beliefs, culture, background, or skin color? Why do you have people trying to control resources of the world just so they can control the market or economy of the world?

Let me ask you a question: If you were competing for a job, which was the only one you could find in a reasonable distance from your home, and you had lots of bills to pay and a family to support, but your competitor was in a worse situation, would you give up your job to that person just because he or she was worse off than you?

Why do people try to control the resources of the world? Potentially cheaper prices, more supply. If you don't control the resources, someone else will. What if OPEC decided not to ship out any more oil, and the supply of oil kept dwindling, forcing countries to tap into their reserves? Do you think anyone who needs a car to drive to work and other places would be upset? Would they want the US and whatever military force to step in and force them to reopen supply of oil if that was the only way to do so? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. The creature comforts that you are afforded may be because of the domination of your country over others.

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In reality, many of the problems of the world come from immature decisions and judgments made by politicians. Look at George Bush as an example. What did he do except drag America into wars with the eastern part of the world, created chaos, destruction, and got on many people's bad sides.

Not really. Only a naive person would think that. There are other problems in the world that politicians do not directly create. Racism, intolerance, sexism, poverty, harassment, murder, and the list goes on. Practicality anything can be listed as a problem. George Bush war policies still have to go thru Congress, which is made up of people who were elected.

However, problems are not always black/white. Scientist needs research funds for stem-cell research that they believe will help out mankind, but religious conservatives believes that such research will destroy life, and upset their invisible man in the sky, unicorn, or whatever they worship. Both sides believes the other is a problem, and they both believe their side is right.

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[COLOR=darkorchid]On another note;

Capitalism doesn't work either because its power and greed controlling fear that in turn controls the people at the "bottom". In capitalism, most of the power is given to a few which results in the rest of the people below being screwed over. Also, i feel you're incorrect when saying that the bottom is only screwed as long as they choose to stay there; no in fact, its more of the power at the top that is preventing the people at the bottom from moving up. Have you noticed? the social network in society's gap is widening between the rich and poor. You also have more levels of power; homeless > poor (poverty) > average > rich > and elite. Every group is trying to reach the group above it and prohibit the group below it from advancing.

Oh, if you are such an economical genius, why don't you try and create a new economical system for us to enjoy that is better than capitalism? Don't forget, you will have to convince the masses and government to accept such system. History has so far shown that capitalism is the best economical system for now. Who knows, if your theory is good enough, you might get a Nobel Prize, and worldwide fame. What you waiting for?

As for your own classified groups, you are just creating the strawman. You can create even more groups out of that. There are many reasons why homeless and poverty stay homeless and poor. For many of them, it is because of the bad decisions they made in the past, and the continuing bad decisions they make now.

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[COLOR=darkorchid]I feel that you should re-evaluate the video a little more closely instead of dismissing it readily as being "stupid" or "counterproductive" since i doubt it would have been made if it did not serve any purpose or importance, even by a little.

It could have been made just for entertainment, and to show off/practice video making/animation making skills. There are a lot of videos on youtube created just for entertainment. Then, there are also videos that like to send their own warped message to the audience. Of course, there are also videos that does it to get views to get revenue from ads.

1. There will always be a lower class.
2. No realistic form of government can change Human nature.
3. Idealism is the fuel that drives the Human war machine.

In the end, it's just a YouTube video. It won't change anything.

Free will is a fundamental part of a human being, and so long as it exist, so will these problems.

The best solution to these problems is mind-controlling the entire human race. But as you can see, the individualism concept will always oppose that. That's just an example though.