This is an archive of the mabination.com forums which were active from 2010 to 2018. You can not register, post or otherwise interact with the site other than browsing the content for historical purposes. The content is provided as-is, from the moment of the last backup taken of the database in 2019. Image and video embeds are disabled on purpose and represented textually since most of those links are dead.
To view other archive projects go to
https://archives.mabination.com
-
Shiko wrote on 2010-10-18 11:19
Would like to add to Pikablus post, that instead of ranking Fury of Connous for transformation that the first one you should do is Sharpness, as it raises the dex you get from Trans. Much more helpful then extra hp, especially since at low levels More damage > Crit till you start regularly doing Adv level dungeons. Since your a elf you really shouldn't be getting hit at all so the Hp/Prot/Crit etc doesn't really help.
-
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-10-18 12:20
You'll want to eventually obtain r1 windmill for the added willpower. Generation 13 is a great time to move from r5 to r1.
Refine is your top priority. r1/r2 fails finished
Ranged Attack buffs all of your ranged skills and has a starting DPS multiplier of 666% minus refire. Obtain r1.
Magnum Shot immediately follows Ranged Attack. It has a pathetic starting DPS multiplier but the end result is 1000% minus refire. Punches through defense and natural shield.
Final Shot can boost your DPS multipliers from 666%/1000% to 1166%/1750% minus refire. It's tied with the OPness of Crash Shot.
Mirrage Missile and Support Shot both provide dexterity and more ranged options. Weaving, Campfire, Playing Instrument provide cheap dex.
Alchemy Mastery gives stamina and mana. Production Mastery gives stamina/dex. Magic Mastery gives you mana (Crash Shot).
Thunder provides willpower and mana. It's obviously not a priority.
-
Omegatronic wrote on 2010-10-18 12:54
If you have the resources to modify your CP to 1, I highly recommend getting your elf to r1 WM first. It doesn't take nearly as much -CP as it would if you wait. Once it is done, you won't regret the extra 16 Will (1.5% crit).
Quote from abc33kr;186843:
His build basically says that he is going to get windmill to r5 before training cm or smash. With only wm, its pretty tough to get 70 ap per rb.
70 AP per RB
5 AP from aging if weekly paid at age 10 (6 AP from aging if free)
24 AP from exploration (no combat skill required)
That leaves 41 AP (or 40 if free RBing). Level 42 isn't that hard to get, even with only WM.
-
NotAnElf wrote on 2010-10-18 15:43
You shouldn't really worry about mirage until you're done with mag/range
The aim speed from range/ +100% from magnum are much more useful .
Don't bother with a ring bow ego, repairing an LLB is SO much more easier.(I also kind of doubt you're going to spam feed it to a point where it would be worth it to have one.)
I'd also get mag to 5 before windmill to 5, just to make grinding for AP easier.
-
Cide wrote on 2010-10-18 17:19
Quote from Kaeporo;187022:
Mirrage Missile and Support Shot both provide dexterity and more ranged options. Weaving, Campfire, Playing Instrument provide cheap dex.
campfire gives no dex, what wrong you >:(
-
Piko wrote on 2010-10-18 19:34
Quote from Shiko;187015:
Would like to add to Pikablus post, that instead of ranking Fury of Connous for transformation that the first one you should do is Sharpness, as it raises the dex you get from Trans. Much more helpful then extra hp, especially since at low levels More damage > Crit till you start regularly doing Adv level dungeons. Since your a elf you really shouldn't be getting hit at all so the Hp/Prot/Crit etc doesn't really help.
This actually isn't exactly true. Here are the stats that are gained for the two skills :
Fury of Connous - Life, Stamina, Strength, Damage
Sharpness of Connous - Dex, Critical, Balance
While it is true that in the long run, Sharpness of Connous gives you more damage at rank 1 (30 Max Damage boost vs. 80 Max Damage boost if using ranged), you can't forget the benefits of ranking Fury of Connous first. Fury of Connous will increase your tendency of activating PD, which may not sound all that useful but can come handy in the event where you miss (And elves also have ranged attack lag, so that sometimes screws some elves over). Still, it all depends on preference for which of the two to rank first.
-
pataterose wrote on 2010-10-18 20:12
i had a range focused elf wich was pretty efficient for its level. the buid i did was:
r1 range alongside crit (ranking crit when available)
r9 mag with r1 refine alonside (could bring dex down to 0 without much trouble using full -dex set, even at r2)
r1 mag with r1 prod mastery alongside
r1 weaving
....
from that point you basicaly just pump ap into dex skills or skills to enable enchants (like r9 smash for raven boots, r5 cm for wooden needle, etc...)
i also got r9 windmill naturaly by just randomly ranking it when it was rankable.
refine is no priority compared to ranged attack because elf's ranged attack skill barely gives any dex (compared to human)
and it's easy to get 0 dex even with r1 range.
-
abc33kr wrote on 2010-10-18 20:25
Quote from Omegatronic;187025:
70 AP per RB
5 AP from aging if weekly paid at age 10 (6 AP from aging if free)
24 AP from exploration (no combat skill required)
That leaves 41 AP (or 40 if free RBing). Level 42 isn't that hard to get, even with only WM.
That is nowhere reasonable unless the OP is going to spend countless hours on exploration.
---
@OP
Anyways, you should rank range mastery to a decent rank first since elves get less dex from range mastery than humans. Thus, you can rank refine easily while securing the ability to gain ap easily.
To elves, windmill is only good for the will bonus. Yes, you could use windmill to expand your strategies, but your magnum is going to do most of the work.
Refine isn't as hard as most people say it is so don't worry about it too much, but don't forget about it.
-
Zid wrote on 2010-10-18 23:43
Barrier Spikes/Mana Shield if you're unsure of yourself?
Also, Ring Bow's incredibly easy to get, so ego bow can go either way.
-
Jando wrote on 2010-10-19 00:24
Hmm, first off thank you all for your input and whatnot. 3 pages of awesomesuace that I've read.
For leveling I'm thinking on spamming SCC basic to get my goal of 50/15. 5-10ap from aging depending when I would like to rb.
I'll get r9 mag and ranged on the first rb and rE refine then finish range and dump the rest of the points into refine and at the same time rank critical. By the time I reach level 250 - 299 I would like have:
r1 Ranged
r5 Mag
r2 Refine
r9 Crit
To get that I need: 247 (ranged) + 110 (mag) + 43 (Refine) + 27 (Crit)
Total: 427 ap
250/5 = 5 rebirths x 70 = 350 ap (With another 70 being on the 6th rb as backup)
So I'm 27 ap short which kinda sucks for my g9-12 goal on doing it for int but I think I would benefit from r1 Ranged and r5 Mag more and I might sacrfice refine till after level 300 and I do g12. Which gives me 43 ap do use on stuff and I do have access to a -dex set.
As for Ego I'll get a LLB since of the easy repairs and whatnot. I like ring bows more on humans due to AR.
But after I complete C3 I'll mostly finish of Mag, get r1 refine and then get FS and Mirage going and doing weaving along side that. For transformation I'm still not sure.
Thank you all for your response.
-
Omegatronic wrote on 2010-10-19 02:47
Quote from abc33kr;187120:
That is nowhere reasonable unless the OP is going to spend countless hours on exploration.
The hours are only countless after lvl 21. ;-)
But even if you knock the explore levels down to 16 to 21, 46 to 51 levels is still within the ability of WM only.
-
Moon wrote on 2010-10-19 12:52
o.o Has everyone forgotten about Final Shot? It's a pretty useful skill if you know how to use it. Has some good DEX too
-
Jando wrote on 2010-10-20 11:00
Quote from Moon;187699:
o.o Has everyone forgotten about Final Shot? It's a pretty useful skill if you know how to use it. Has some good DEX too
Yea but its ap cost is not the greatest thing. I wouldn't start ranking it until I get the easier dex/cheaper ap skills first.