so, mabination, i have a dilemma.

• Vanof wrote on 2010-10-24 17:24
  The link didn't really work for me Kaeporo. Went to the mobile page, which wasn't the problem, but I was just sent to a list of videos. Those videos weren't even related to crash shot or even mabinogi. Hmm!
  
  The problem with Crash Shot to winmill are the load/aiming times. Windmill loads in under a second, and hits instantly after that. Crash Shot... 2 second load, then about 3~8 seconds of aim time. If you miss, refire!
  
  It's a great skill for sniping Offering, and other sacrificial circles in SMs. It won't move them out of the circle, so that's where it beats Winmill.
  
  
  People need to stop comparing WM to Crash Shot.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-24 17:27
  Kaeporo, your link is kinda funny.
  
  I fixed it. Here ya go.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP4l9moNBws&feature=sub
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-10-24 17:43

  Quote from Vanof;192669:

  The link didn't really work for me Kaeporo. Went to the mobile page, which wasn't the problem, but I was just sent to a list of videos. Those videos weren't even related to crash shot or even mabinogi. Hmm!
  
  The problem with Crash Shot to winmill are the load/aiming times. Windmill loads in under a second, and hits instantly after that. Crash Shot... 2 second load, then about 3~8 seconds of aim time. If you miss, refire!
  
  It's a great skill for sniping Offering, and other sacrificial circles in SMs. It won't move them out of the circle, so that's where it beats Winmill.
  
  
  People need to stop comparing WM to Crash Shot.

  
  
  Crash Shot should be used at either long range or (preferably) while zero-shooting. You can spam it about as fast as Windmill after the initial attack. The aim speed should be negligible for Humans at close range or Elves under Final Shot.
  
  Plus it doesn't cause ago and has a lengthy stun duration (repetition, repetition)
  
  Crash Shot sort of combines windmill, thunder and blaze.
  
  Edit: Thanks, Phunkie!
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-24 17:59

  Quote from Jando;192484:

  Touche...but its still a great skill. And when your an Elf, why would you have an ego thats not a bow? And there are still plenty of other non-ego bows that still have great range.

  
  
  Not saying Crash Shot is absolutely useless skill. It is a decent skill, but it isn't as overpowered as some people make it out to be. If I play as an elf, I would just Magnum/Range everything close range. Their Magnum is 0.5 seconds and range is 0.3 seconds. Pretty hard to compare Crash Shot loading times with Elf Magnum/Range loading times.
  
  

  Quote from Vanof;192669:

  
  The problem with Crash Shot to winmill are the load/aiming times. Windmill loads in under a second, and hits instantly after that. Crash Shot... 2 second load, then about 3~8 seconds of aim time. If you miss, refire!
  
  It's a great skill for sniping Offering, and other sacrificial circles in SMs. It won't move them out of the circle, so that's where it beats Winmill.
  
  
  People need to stop comparing WM to Crash Shot.

  
  
  Actually, if you want people to stop comparing WM to Crash Shot, examples of use of Crash Shot should be shown for dungeons where WM/melee isn't dominating. Yea, I seen it used in Offering with a Ego LLB, which is pretty nice.
  
  However, for the other sacrificial circles, it seems to be pretty hard to control where the monsters far compared to WM/Smash. Not to mention, if you WM finish the monster in many of these circles, no monsters will attack you at all for a short time frame, giving yourself less aggroed monsters than Crash Shot during this period of time.
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;192681:

  Crash Shot should be used at either long range or (preferably) while zero-shooting. You can spam it about as fast as Windmill after the initial attack. The aim speed should be negligible for Humans at close range or Elves under Final Shot.
  
  Plus it doesn't cause ago and has a lengthy stun duration (repetition, repetition)
  
  Crash Shot sort of combines windmill, thunder and blaze.
  
  Edit: Thanks, Phunkie!

  
  
  Zero Shot Crash Shot? Well, it is a two second load, and you going to putting yourself at risk. If you are a crossbow user, you probably can pull this off better since you can run while loading.
  
  Lengthy Stun Duration? I would think Magnum has more of a lengthy stun duration then Crash Shot, especially if Crash Shot fragments were unable to hit anything else. Spam it as fast as WMing? Did you forget about the 2 seconds load + aim rate time? Don't forget that due to the nature of range, you can miss as well.
  
  Elves under Final Shot would seem to do a lot better using Elf Range and Elf Magnum, which are both have far shorter loading time, and do much more damage.
  
  Since you advocate it so much, you already have r5+ crash shot already right, and spamming it all the time?
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-10-24 20:15

  Quote from EndlessDreams;192694:

  Not saying Crash Shot is absolutely useless skill. It is a decent skill, but it isn't as overpowered as some people make it out to be. If I play as an elf, I would just Magnum/Range everything close range. Their Magnum is 0.5 seconds and range is 0.3 seconds. Pretty hard to compare Crash Shot loading times with Elf Magnum/Range loading times.
  
  Actually, if you want people to stop comparing WM to Crash Shot, examples of use of Crash Shot should be shown for dungeons where WM/melee isn't dominating. Yea, I seen it used in Offering with a Ego LLB, which is pretty nice.
  
  However, for the other sacrificial circles, it seems to be pretty hard to control where the monsters far compared to WM/Smash. Not to mention, if you WM finish the monster in many of these circles, no monsters will attack you at all for a short time frame, giving yourself less aggroed monsters than Crash Shot during this period of time.
  
  Zero Shot Crash Shot? Well, it is a two second load, and you going to putting yourself at risk. If you are a crossbow user, you probably can pull this off better since you can run while loading.
  
  Lengthy Stun Duration? I would think Magnum has more of a lengthy stun duration then Crash Shot, especially if Crash Shot fragments were unable to hit anything else. Spam it as fast as WMing? Did you forget about the 2 seconds load + aim rate time? Don't forget that due to the nature of range, you can miss as well.
  
  Elves under Final Shot would seem to do a lot better using Elf Range and Elf Magnum, which are both have far shorter loading time, and do much more damage.
  
  Since you advocate it so much, you already have r5+ crash shot already right, and spamming it all the time?

  
  
  lolno. I've been deployed to Africa for months. It'll be a while before I even start Crash Shot. However, I provided a significant amount of the information we now have on the skill.
  
  Obviously, this skill saves Human ranged. That's why I advocate the use of maximum damage enchants for Human archers and not Elves (who make better use of the added crit when using Magnum Shot).
  
  Most people have said that the skill is mostly useless until r5. Similarly to Flame Burst, Crash Shot is a skill that you should either max...or leave alone.
  
  You watched the video, right? That's what I was talking about when I said to zero-shot.
• Cide wrote on 2010-10-24 20:59

  Quote from Phunkie;192671:

  Kaeporo, your link is kinda funny.
  
  I fixed it. Here ya go.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP4l9moNBws&feature=sub

  
  
  that's odd, does mounted crash shot for elves come later, or is our crash shot in NA bugged? because i certainly can't use it on a mount.
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-10-24 21:00
  Your gonna train both of em up eventually, just finish what you started and get to work on Crash Shot afterwords.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-10-24 21:18

  Quote from Kaeporo;192821:

  lolno. I've been deployed to Africa for months. It'll be a while before I even start Crash Shot. However, I provided a significant amount of the information we now have on the skill.
  
  Obviously, this skill saves Human ranged. That's why I advocate the use of maximum damage enchants for Human archers and not Elves (who make better use of the added crit when using Magnum Shot).
  
  Most people have said that the skill is mostly useless until r5. Similarly to Flame Burst, Crash Shot is a skill that you should either max...or leave alone.
  
  You watched the video, right? That's what I was talking about when I said to zero-shot.

  
  
  Yea, I watched the video. I have been trying to zero-shot with my r5+ Crash Shot right now. It is just too dangerous due to its long load, low damage and short stun. Humans don't exactly ride on mount while firing either. Can't really escape the other direction when firing like that elf.
  
  If you noticed in the video, the elf can 2 shot stuff with Elf range, and 1 shot stuff with magnum. With that much damage, it will make any skill seem very powerful.
• radionoise wrote on 2010-10-24 21:20
  Crash Shot is not really overpowered, since it requires very ideal conditions in order to perform at its fullest potential. However, it adds a lot of versatility to ranged combat and I find myself discovering new combos and ways to use it effectively in Hardmode shadow missions and dungeons. Normally it'd take me around 15 minutes to clear Shadow Cast Hard (I play it safe since I have 0 def/prot), but with the use of r4 crash shot I can now run it in 8~9 minutes provided that I don't make any mistakes.
  
  The skill is pretty worthless in terms of damage and splash range unless it is r5 or higher, but the stun provided by the secondary implosion is extremely helpful for chaining elf magnum or a defensive windmill and works well for any rank. I wouldn't count on the splash to deal a considerable amount of damage unless it's a critical hit, but even regular damage can often determine whether your next magnum will one-hit an enemy or not. Besides, when it does crit... even with only 290~ max the splash chews through most if not all of the HP on the unlucky targets that get struck by it at my current rank.
  
  To the OP, I'd recommend getting support shot to 5 since it's a nice cap and you get most of the dex that the skill offers for only a portion of it's total AP requirement. Afterwards, work on CS to r5 and play around with it, as even if it doesn't completely suit your ranged combat style, it will make rafting so much easier that you won't know how you ever lived without the skill (specially with a range-upgraded ELB or an ego LLB).
  
  

  Quote from Cide;192872:

  that's odd, does mounted crash shot for elves come later, or is our crash shot in NA bugged? because i certainly can't use it on a mount.

  
  
  It does work while mounted if you're an elf. In fact, spamming crash shot on a horse with low HP makes it much safer to zero-shoot with the skill if you'd rather not rely on mana shield for misses.
• Cide wrote on 2010-10-24 21:40

  Quote from radionoise;192917:

  It does work while mounted if you're an elf. In fact, spamming crash shot on a horse with low HP makes it much safer to zero-shoot with the skill if you'd rather not rely on mana shield for misses.

  
  
  are you on NA? because on NA, elves can't (or, at least, i can't) mount shoot crash shot for some reason.
  
  

  [Image: http://i56.tinypic.com/6916qb.jpg]

  
  
  :C
  
  edit: HURP DURP nevermind it was my edited vehicledesc. |D disregard!
• radionoise wrote on 2010-10-24 21:55

  Quote from Cide;192929:

  are you on NA? because on NA, elves can't (or, at least, i can't) mount shoot crash shot for some reason.
  
  

  [Image: http://i56.tinypic.com/6916qb.jpg]

  
  
  :C
  
  edit: HURP DURP nevermind it was my edited vehicledesc. |D disregard!

  
  
  LOL I was about to suggest you file a ticket, since we're both in the same server.