Flame Burst + Fire Damage Increase

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Phanterz wrote on 2010-10-26 01:11

When fire damage increasing enchants or titles (like "Heated," +6 fire damage), are used with Flame Burst, does it apply to each hit?

E.g. 1 charge at 21-42 x5 would become 27-48 x5

And does it apply to each charge?

E.g. Increase of 6 fire damage increases by 6 per charge, x7.2 for 5 charges?

I can imagine that it would apply per hit, but not per charge, but I'm not sure. If it applied per charge +6 fire damage would result in +216 damage across 5 charges.
Zid wrote on 2010-10-26 20:13

I think it's per charge. If the formula for Alchemy damage is correct, the enchant should go on per charge before the charges are stack, regardless of skill.

Per hit sounds more like regular dmg enchants to me.
Phanterz wrote on 2010-10-26 22:29

That means a +x fire damage enchant would divide over Flamer's ranks. At rank 1, +6 damage would be +1.2 to each hit..? which seems improbable.

Normal damage+ enchants doesn't affect alchemy, or am I wrong?
Zid wrote on 2010-10-27 00:15

Quote from Phanterz;195478:
That means a +x fire damage enchant would divide over Flamer's ranks. At rank 1, +6 damage would be +1.2 to each hit..? which seems improbable.

Normal damage+ enchants doesn't affect alchemy, or am I wrong?

I meant, if it's... say, +6 Fire Alchemic Damage, it'll apply to per hit of 1 charge.

Let's say you use 1 charge of r1 Flame Burst (max dmg of 42). That means, in total, you get 5 hits with 42 dmg each, or 110 dmg total.

If you apply a +6 Fire Alchemic Damage enchant, it will apply to the dmg per hit of that charge. So it's 42 + 6 = 48 dmg. 48 dmg x 5 hits of 1 charge of r1 Flame Burst = 140 dmg.

Formula for Alchemic dmg is, I believe:

(Skill rank's dmg + Cylinder dmg upgrade + Alchemic dmg enchant) * (Number of charges + Skill's bonus multiplier if using 5 charges) * (Elemental Cylinder dmg bonus) + regular dmg enchant

So, if you use 5 charges of r1 Flame Burst while under the effect of +6 Fire Alchemic Damage...

(42 + 0 + 6) * (5 + 2.2) * (1) + 0 = (48) * (7.2) = 345.6 dmg per hit

Multiply 345.6 dmg by 5 hits (because it's r1 Flame Burst), and you get 1728 potential dmg.

Correct me if I'm wrong though. That's the current formula I'm following for Water Cannon, Flame Burst, Wind Blast, and Sand Burst.

As for your other question, I think regular dmg enchant gets added onto Alchemy dmg after everything else but Critical Hit/Defense/Protection gets calculated. Like a +4 max dmg Fox enchant will add +4 max dmg on top of the dmg already dealt by a fully charged Water Cannon (so not per charge).
Phanterz wrote on 2010-10-27 00:37

I know that normal max damage affects Range and Melee on a 1:1 ratio, but for magic and alchemy it makes a negligible difference, though it still does make a difference.

Heat Accessory x2 (+6 fire each) = +12 fire
Hot Shoes (+8 fire)
Master of Alchemy (+10 fire)

21-42 damage + 30 = 51~82 damage
51~82 x5 x 7.2 = 1836~2925 damage

win
Kavach wrote on 2010-12-01 06:14

when does 42+30 = 82?
Omegatronic wrote on 2010-12-01 12:48

Quote from Zid;195775:

As for your other question, I think regular dmg enchant gets added onto Alchemy dmg after everything else but Critical Hit/Defense/Protection gets calculated. Like a +4 max dmg Fox enchant will add +4 max dmg on top of the dmg already dealt by a fully charged Water Cannon (so not per charge).

Max damage and Min damage add to the damage range of the attack, are added in after the charge multipler (common belief, though I still need to test and confirm) and do not add a static number to the damage. So, if you have a damage range that is 21~42 and add +10 max damage the range becomes 21~52; 42~84 becomes 42~94.

With Alchemy's wonderful balance, Max damage is rather unremarkable.

Element damage, such as +5 to fire damage, on the other hand, is smexy.
Karmel wrote on 2010-12-01 13:17

Note + damage enchants only take effect with 2 or more charges. might be a glitch
Omegatronic wrote on 2010-12-03 19:11

Quote from Karmel;234241:
Note + damage enchants only take effect with 2 or more charges. might be a glitch

Really? I don't use flame burst hardly at all. +elemental damage works fine with water cannon. It sounds strange that it wouldn't work for 1 charge with Flame Burst. I guess I'll have to see about testing that aspect to confirm.

Edit: +elemental dmg for flame burst works fine for me.