Heater shield upgrades?

• Loret wrote on 2010-04-24 19:08
  So I've been profing my heater shield, and I was wondering which upgrade path I should take.
  +2 Def/+5% melee PD or
  +10% Melee PD
  
  I already took the first upgrade path (+2 def) but now I'm beginning to regret it. The difference is just so insignificant, I'm even thinking of starting over.
  So which one would be best, def or PD?
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-04-24 19:25
  Usually PD would be best. 2 Defense isn't too large of a difference.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-04-24 19:28
  %10 MELEE PD!
  
  I wish I would done that on my Kite Shield. I opted for 2 Def. Silly me.
• Loret wrote on 2010-04-24 19:30
  //facedesk
  dammit :gloom:
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-04-24 19:59
  no defense is not always the insignificant thing.
  why the magic tank of NA mabinogi, Zyrus, upgraded his dragon shield to have +2 defense instead of a PD
  
  although PD sounds useful. it only works 5% of the time
  while +2 defense works 100% of the time
  
  many people will disagree with me and flame me, but truth is truth
• Loret wrote on 2010-04-24 20:48

  Quote from abc33kr;17617:

  no defense is not always the insignificant thing.
  why the magic tank of NA mabinogi, Zyrus, upgraded his dragon shield to have +2 defense instead of a PD
  
  although PD sounds useful. it only works 5% of the time
  while +2 defense works 100% of the time
  
  many people will disagree with me and flame me, but truth is truth

  
  Thanks, that makes me feel a bit better... but I think I'll try and sell for now.
• Justified wrote on 2010-04-24 21:26

  Quote from abc33kr;17617:

  although PD sounds useful. it only works 5% of the time
  while +2 defense works 100% of the time
  
  many people will disagree with me and flame me, but truth is truth

  
  
  Pretend a Shadow Lancer, with a three hit combo, does 60 damage on you. For simplification, let's say it always lands a three-hit combo.
  
  Defense Upgrade
  1st Hit: -2 Damage
  2nd Hit: -2 Damage
  3rd Hit: -2 Damage
  Assume 100 combos, you'd block 600 damage.
  
  PD Upgrade
  1st Hit: 5% Chance to block following attacks: -120 Damage + Damage reduced (dunno how much)
  2nd Hit: 5% Chance to block following attack: -60 Damage + Damage reduced
  3rd Hit: 5% Chance to block: Damage reduced
  Over 100 combos, you'd block roughly 600 [1st ping] + 240 [2nd ping] + ??? [14% x Damage Reduction]. Well over 840 damage.
  
  Of course, theoretical and situational numbers don't exactly mirror actual use, but generally PD will save your skin way more often than Defense. Unless you're running easy things with weak hits: like Fiodh or Alby Int.
• Archibald wrote on 2010-04-24 23:06
  The big difference guys is when your in mana shield. 1 def = closer to 3-4 def. 2 def isnt much but since I am always in mana shield (with 300+ int) the 6-8 def goes along way. And the dragon shield has a little advatage of still having 10% melee ping along with the def upgrade. I do have 3 beholder shields each with full ping upgrades for different situations. (range, melee, magic). I am trying to get another dragon shield through synth. That one will be all ping. But both options are equally good.
  
  90% of the mobs in mabi do 1 damage to me now anyways so having extra "ping" damage reduction no longer matters. Having the extra def/prot matters more in Adv HM dungeons/missions and peaca...for me at least.
• bebepanales wrote on 2010-04-26 00:06
  i heard there are 2 gem upgrades for heater, which can be used both times. +2 def and +3% ping or something. that's why my pro friend was explaining to me that heater > hetero overall.
  
  can someone tell us what jewels are required for those 2 upgrades?
• Justified wrote on 2010-04-26 00:12
  All shields have 2 Gem Upgrades I think, and there are 3 to choose from but they vary from shield to shield.
  
  On my old Kite Shield, my Gem Upgrades were +3% Melee PD and +5% Range PD.
• Daisuke wrote on 2010-04-26 04:26

  Quote from bebepanales;18863:

  can someone tell us what jewels are required for those 2 upgrades?

  
  
  [FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="2"]Heater Shield
  1st - Melee PD +3% (5cm+ Ruby, 3cm+ Star Sapphire, 1cm+ Topaz)
  2nd - +2 Def (5cm+ Jasper, 3cm+ Star Sapphire, 1cm+ Emerald)
  
  Heater Shield vs. Hetero
  1st upgrade : Both get Melee PD +3%
  2nd upgrade : Heater gets +2 Defense. Hetero gets +1 Durability
  
  However, the Hetero has +6 PD upgrades, while the Heater gets +5.
  
  After upgrades...
  Hetero = +15 PD
  Heater = +13 PD +2 Defense
  
  If I've given any wrong info, please correct me. :][/SIZE][/FONT]
• shzukahime wrote on 2010-04-26 13:07
  And heaters are generally easier to come by and have nicer colours. :D
  
  Could you remind me who I go to for heater gem upgrades?
• bebepanales wrote on 2010-04-26 15:05

  Quote from shzukahime;19232:

  And heaters are generally easier to come by and have nicer colours. :D
  
  Could you remind me who I go to for heater gem upgrades?

  
  
  i believe it is edern.