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bebepanales wrote on 2010-11-02 08:52
my strong points are melee and some magic too, but since dex is also important i've been training up ranged attack. my dex is 170 with rank 5 ranged. so i guess ill be at least 186 by the time im rank 1. i dont plan on learning ar or any other ranged attack... i think. @_@ should i be learning them?? how much dex should i aim for?? my goal right now is 200 >3< is that enough??
i have a ring bow, llb, and andras's bow. should i buy a crossbow too?? what bow is best for me?? what upgrade paths should i take?? i think for llb i should go for the max damage one but for ring bow and crossbow i don't really know. so far i think ring bow and andras's bow works better for me than llb. :s ps i dont want ugly bows >3< so i dont like short bows or composite.
my guildie told me that dex affects how much you miss. i highly doubt that... ã…‹.ã…‹ can someone tell me if he is right or wrong?? i've never heard anything like that before and i've been playing for a while, but then again i might be ignorant. bah.
any tips on using ranged attack (human) with lag?? i saw a mabi vid of a rank 9 ranger and he loads much faster than my rank 5. wdf. xD i almost always end up getting pwnd tryin to do zeroshot (close range 99% constant shooting) because they recover before my aim *dies. i dont think it's my internet or nagle, because i disabled that, and i also use mods to lessen lag, which helps certain lags, but not aiming. i think it might be because i use a 1 gig netbook. >3<
also any additional tips / tactics on human range would be much appreciated.
i learned of some from this vid already though.
sorry for tl;dr
[video=youtube;hu6IpaIQaXE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu6IpaIQaXE[/video]
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Ailyene wrote on 2010-11-02 09:49
my guildie told me that dex affects how much you miss.
This is most definitely wrong. Dex just affects your balance and ranged damage.
Honestly I don't think that crossbows are good, but there are people who like faster shooting/the crit. However, you have a much shorter range for crossbows. If you prefer to snipe from a far corner, use a leather long bow (I use an elven long bow and it's great so maybe that one as well). Definitely not Andras's bow because you can't upgrade it I think...
If you plan on really going range, you really should learn AR, magnum, and crash shot. Also get as much dex as you can (preferably 300+ base). If you're just getting dex for melee, get 200 for the balance I suppose.
As for the lag...well, lag sucks no matter which type of combat you're using, but if lag and/or missing is really a big problem for you, I suggest you rank up barrier spikes so you'll have protection between you and the monster if you miss. AR is also very awesome here since you can shoot of 5 arrows like mad rather than loading, shooting, missing, loading, shooting, etc.
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Ampersand wrote on 2010-11-02 10:50
Crossbows are nice for dueling and speeding through easier dungeons. You really need AR for them to be effective.
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Zid wrote on 2010-11-02 14:37
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my strong points are melee and some magic too, but since dex is also important i've been training up ranged attack. my dex is 170 with rank 5 ranged. so i guess ill be at least 186 by the time im rank 1. i dont plan on learning ar or any other ranged attack... i think. @_@ should i be learning them?? how much dex should i aim for?? my goal right now is 200 >3< is that enough??
That's good enough to reach 80% Balance with 222 Broadsword. If you need 80% Balance with 0% Balance weapons, you need around 260-320 Dex, depending on your Combat Mastery rank.
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i have a ring bow, llb, and andras's bow. should i buy a crossbow too?? what bow is best for me?? what upgrade paths should i take?? i think for llb i should go for the max damage one but for ring bow and crossbow i don't really know. so far i think ring bow and andras's bow works better for me than llb. :s ps i dont want ugly bows >3< so i dont like short bows or composite.
For upgrades, you can play on each bow's strengths. Ring Bows have the best max dmg for its upgrades and stun/knockback, Crossbows for Critical and mobility, and Leather Long Bow with a bit of each plus some range. Andras's Bow is a good starter bow, but there are better things out there.
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my guildie told me that dex affects how much you miss. i highly doubt that... ã…‹.ã…‹ can someone tell me if he is right or wrong?? i've never heard anything like that before and i've been playing for a while, but then again i might be ignorant. bah.
That is definitely false. Dexterity affects only your Melee/Ranged Balance, Injury rate, Ranged damage, and Production success rate.
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any tips on using ranged attack (human) with lag?? i saw a mabi vid of a rank 9 ranger and he loads much faster than my rank 5. wdf. xD i almost always end up getting pwnd tryin to do zeroshot (close range 99% constant shooting) because they recover before my aim *dies. i dont think it's my internet or nagle, because i disabled that, and i also use mods to lessen lag, which helps certain lags, but not aiming. i think it might be because i use a 1 gig netbook. >3<
What type of bow was he using? It could be lag. It could be bow speed. It could be he's an Elf (loading .5 seconds faster). Zeroshooting is easier with bows that have slow speed, because slower speed stuns longer per hit. Zeroshooting is also easier with bows that have longer range, as range affects aiming speed; longer range = faster aiming from a targeted distance. It's why beginners doing zeroshot are encouraged to try Long/Leather Long/Elven Long Bow, because of the longer stun time and faster aiming with these bows.
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also any additional tips / tactics on human range would be much appreciated.
Humans are better at "sniping" with Ranged skills, I think. Arrow Revolver, however, makes Ranged combat at closer range really easy for Humans, not to mention it enables some multi-aggro juggling if done correctly.
r5+ Barrier Spikes is a plus for any archer, Human or Elf. Putting extra HP, distance, and no hit on yourself is great. If you can't use Barrier Spikes, an alternative is to carry Firewood with you to make Campfires, which are also archer's best friend.
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Sora0147 wrote on 2010-11-02 14:44
With a high dex and good ranged attacks, not just range, but arrow revolver, magnum, support shot and crash shot, you can do quite the amount of damage, the higher the dex the better. Range is not like magic in the sense that everything is nerfed, or the same as melee in which you can do a lot more imediate damage. Range needs a lot more dex, I am near a 300 base and I am still not content with my damage because of the weapons used in range, you can't get the amount of damage to a monster as someone using melee, it would take a lot more dex to do that.
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Chinaboy475 wrote on 2010-11-02 15:38
I thought 200 dex was max damage cap for more damage?
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Okami wrote on 2010-11-02 15:50
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my strong points are melee and some magic too, but since dex is also important i've been training up ranged attack. my dex is 170 with rank 5 ranged. so i guess ill be at least 186 by the time im rank 1. i dont plan on learning ar or any other ranged attack... i think. @_@ should i be learning them?? how much dex should i aim for?? my goal right now is 200 >3< is that enough??
IMO, you should definitely be learning AR and mag at least. I haven't had a chance to play with support shot, but some people can make a use out of it so quite possible rank it too. AR is extremely helpful and once you get it to a decent rank, I guarantee you'll love it. Mag is also fun to use, and useful if you need to essentially "smash" something without getting up in it's face. Another skill would be crash shot, but that's alot of AP and personally I don't want to spend that much AP on one skill so you should choose :D
But if you don't see yourself using that much range, you could probably stop there and be fine.
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i have a ring bow, llb, and andras's bow. should i buy a crossbow too?? what bow is best for me?? what upgrade paths should i take?? i think for llb i should go for the max damage one but for ring bow and crossbow i don't really know. so far i think ring bow and andras's bow works better for me than llb. :s ps i dont want ugly bows >3< so i dont like short bows or composite.
Buy a crossbow if you want to run with AR. Otherwise, I'd go with not having one. I think you should be working with a LLB with max damage and then have a crit path one as well. It doesn't hurt to have two bows with different paths. As for your ring bow you can do max damage as well. Maybe throw some lizard enchants on each.. just my opinion on this matter though. Not very experienced with upgrading bows outside of the LLB though :x
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my guildie told me that dex affects how much you miss. i highly doubt that... ã…‹.ã…‹ can someone tell me if he is right or wrong?? i've never heard anything like that before and i've been playing for a while, but then again i might be ignorant. bah.
No, it doesn't effect how much you miss. Zid was correct in his statement about it :)
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radionoise wrote on 2010-11-02 16:11
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I thought 200 dex was max damage cap for more damage?
This is incorrect, there is no max damage cap for dex. Every 2.5 dex will always give you 1 more max damage, and every 3.5 dex will always give you 1 more min damage.
Base stats, are however capped at 999 so there is an eventual limit to how much damage you can acquire from skills and leveling, but enchants/title/transformation allow you to go past that number.
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I think you should be working with a LLB with max damage and then have a crit path one as well.
Or better yet, a regular Long Bow and get both max damage and crit from a single bow. Not to mention, they're far cheaper to repair as well :3
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bebepanales wrote on 2010-11-02 16:42
thanks for your awesome advices yos.
i was wondering, what should be learned first?? ar or mag. i think it's mag, no?
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Bankai231 wrote on 2010-11-02 22:42
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thanks for your awesome advices yos.
i was wondering, what should be learned first?? ar or mag. i think it's mag, no?
Mag is an easy skill to be learned. Itll take you like 3 secs. In terms of ranking...depends if you are gonna be a sit back person or a run and gun. Sit back person=Mag. Run and gun=AR. I ranked AR just to r5 for the aim speed which is nice.
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Chihaya wrote on 2010-11-03 14:07
AR isn't hard either, but since you are a human, you should be proud of that fact and learn AR
Usually, AR is much more useful than Magnum shot in my personal opinion, and it won't kill you to have a low rank Magnum Shot
(rE Magnum Shot is good for Rabbie/Barri Adv =D)
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Ampersand wrote on 2010-11-03 15:51
To me, AR is the only thing that distinguishes Human Range from a really gimped Elf Range. It's a must if you want to do damage with it... unless you like spamming really slow Magnums.
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Lordres wrote on 2010-11-03 16:36
lifeskills
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Yanm wrote on 2010-11-04 15:13
Learn both AR and magnum. Magnum won't make you THAT much of an archer, as it's slow loading speed can make your kill speed pretty slow. Having AR allows Humans to compete with elfs in range, (although elfs are still better imo). What everyone has said earlier is right about bows, but if you do manage to get a lot more dex, I'd recommend the Long Bow over the LLB and go for the Highest Crit path. Long Bows outclass the LLB in terms of crit, while only have 200 less range, 1900 vs 2100 respectively, but the only downside is the low balance. I have to be honest though, Crossbows are possibly my favorite bows. Being able to run with AR loaded makes me feel like an Elf mostly. Aside from that, I can mag spam on some Shadow monsters a bit. (Load magnum, shoot them point blank range, load again and go to where they landed, shoot, turn on MS in case of retaliation, repeat.) The only thing I don't like about them is the low damage. Compare a Glorious Revolver Crossbow to a Glorious Caliburn Long Bow. There crit is similar, but....If you went for the Crossbow path that keeps the range, you'll have 49 max compared to 61 max with a +3 max of each. If you went the lower range path, you'll have 59 max, but 1100 range....that's shorter than a bolt spell. Aside from that, Crossbows don't gain the campfire bonus either, so no +50% damage.
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Beepuke wrote on 2010-11-04 15:45
I guarantee that if you're going to be using ranged as your primary attack, AR will be more useful as a human than magnum is. Unless you have ridiculous max damage, magnum won't deal enough damage to kill your enemies and quite often, you'll have to spam AR to pick off the remaining HP. Magnum is a great skill, and amazing if you can crit it near a campfire, but the slow load as a human kills. Literally. With your lag, you'll want to keep distance between you and your enemies. I personally prefer three hit knockback weapons over two hit (llbs/long/elvenlong) because it allows you to do more damage before the enemy gets knocked out of range, and they're also easier to time in terms of not resetting their downed status.
I haven't played with crash shot or support shot yet but in my mind, crash shot is invaluable. It's the only true multihit ranged skill. It's like windmill in that it ignores prot for critical chance but it's even better because it doesn't knock enemies back and out of your range for another shot. 8D
If you really want to be an effective ranger, you'll want as much dex as possible. 200's okay, 300's better, 350+ is ideal. From just r1weaving, refining, ranged, magnum, production mastery and r5 of arrow revolver and playing instrument, you get 193 dex. Breaking 250 dex is fairly easy, breaking 300 gets a bit more laborious. But upping you dexterity is absolutely crucial if you want to deal nice damage.
It's worth it. Although not as great as elf ranged, human ranged is nothing to scoff at. Humans are the most versatile of races and combining ranged and melee tactics in battle is really satisfying. :D