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Finnea wrote on 2010-11-12 06:28
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So in your opinion whats a pedophile?
A liking of children. o.o It's really that simple. You don't need to be sexual or in a relationship with them, that's rediculous. After all a Japanophile is someone who likes japan, not someone who's raping japan.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-11-12 06:31
Anyone can fall in love with anyone, I believe. haha
I could feel attracted to someone who's 16. Would I consider myself a pedophile? Probably not.
But yeah, the word pedophile has a lot of negative connotation. It's not so bad in its literal sense.
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-11-12 06:31
That's not a pedophile. Almost everyone likes children so your calling everyone a pedophile? You can like children and not be a pedophile as to why you choose to call yourself a pedophile is beyond me.
The moment that liking turns into anything sexual its a no-no
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Byte wrote on 2010-11-12 06:31
Quote from Finnea;212924:
A liking of children. o.o It's really that simple. You don't need to be sexually or in a relationship with them, that's rediculous. After all a Japanophile is someone who likes japan, not someone who's raping japan.
"Liking of Children" that describes over 60% of americans who like children. They're not all pedophiles, I think you need to find a new term to call yourself >.>;
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-11-12 06:32
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That's not a pedophile. Almost everyone likes children so your calling everyone a pedophile? You can like children and not be a pedophile as to why you choose to call yourself a pedophile is beyond me.
The moment that liking turns into anything sexual its a no-no
What age is a no-no? What age is acceptable?
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Finnea wrote on 2010-11-12 06:33
Quote from Phunkie;212926:
Anyone can fall in love with anyone, I believe. haha
I could feel attracted to someone who's 16. Would I consider myself a pedophile? Probably not.
But yeah, the word pedophile has a lot of negative connotation. It's not so bad in its literal sense.
I love you for using that word.
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-11-12 06:35
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What age is a no-no? What age is acceptable?
I give the age difference 5 years.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-11-12 06:36
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I give the age difference 5 years.
18-year-old dating a 30-year-old? Thoughts?
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Byte wrote on 2010-11-12 06:36
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I give the age difference 5 years.
I do 4. In my head it goes, okay I'm a senior, I won't date a girl in the 8th grade.
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-11-12 06:39
Ok well highschool + 5 years. -5 is O_O
Middle school +4 is ok. -4 is O_O
@Phunkie I find it creepy. I would only ever date someone relatively close to my age
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Finnea wrote on 2010-11-12 06:43
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"Liking of Children" that describes over 60% of americans who like children. They're not all pedophiles, I think you need to find a new term to call yourself >.>;
No they really are pedophiles, but because of your connotative meaning of the word you don't think so. If you want to know why I call myself a pedophile, then ask me in
private.
Quote from Hiccup;212927:
That's not a pedophile. Almost everyone likes children so your calling everyone a pedophile? You can like children and not be a pedophile as to why you choose to call yourself a pedophile is beyond me.
The moment that liking turns into anything sexual its a no-no
Again it's your connotative meaning of the word, however I'm using the literal meaning because my connotative is completely different. Also same as above, I have my own reasons.
Bolded: this is a matter of interpretation. I'll somewhat answer this below.
Quote from Phunkie;212929:
What age is a no-no? What age is acceptable?
I'm going to answer this in a some-what roundabout way. Using Erik Erikson's stages of psychosocial development. Once they are able to love, which is different in every person, then it is completely fine. Atleast in my own opinion.
Here is the wiki page on that:
Erikson's stages of psychosocial development - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-11-12 06:48
In the literal sense, everyone is a pedophile, or at least most people. Who doesn't like kids?
I just feel like you shouldn't call yourself a pedophile, since you don't just limit your attractions to children. You are also attracted to women your age and whatnot.
I think white males are attractive, but I don't call myself a caucasianphile, because I also think other people are attractive. Of different races.
Plus, saying that you only date or sleep with a certain group of people just makes ya look shallow. Ever heard a girl say, "Oh, I don't date black guys"? Same comparison, IMO.
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Hiccup wrote on 2010-11-12 06:49
According to that link they learn to love at 20-34 years old. Thats not pedophilia.
Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) defines pedophilia as a "disorder of adult personality and behaviour" in which there is a sexual preference for children of prepubertal or early pubertal age.[5] The term has a range of definitions as found in psychiatry, psychology, the vernacular, and law enforcement.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), pedophilia is a paraphilia in which a person has intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children and on which feelings they have either acted or which cause distress or interpersonal difficulty.[1] The current DSM-5 draft proposes to add hebephilia to the diagnostic criteria, and consequently to rename it to pedohebephilic disorder.[6] Although most pedophiles are men, there are also women who exhibit the disorder,[7][8] and researchers assume available estimates underrepresent the true number of female pedophiles.[9] No cure for pedophilia has been developed. There are, however, certain therapies that can reduce the incidence of a person committing child sexual abuse.[10][11] In the United States, following Kansas v. Hendricks, sex offenders that are diagnosed with certain mental disorders, particularly pedophilia, can be subject to indefinite civil commitment,[12] under various state laws (generically called SVP laws[13][14][15]) and the federal Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006.[16]
In common usage, pedophilia means any sexual interest in children or the act of child sexual abuse, often termed "pedophilic behavior".[10][17][18][2] For example, The American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary states, "Pedophilia is the act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children."[19] This common use application also extends to the sexual interest and abuse of pubescent or post-pubescent minors.[20][21] Researchers recommend that these imprecise uses be avoided,[20] as people who commit child sexual abuse commonly exhibit the disorder,[10][22][23] but some offenders do not meet the clinical diagnosis standards for pedophilia, and the clinical diagnosis for pedophilia pertains to prepubescents. Additionally, not all pedophiles actually commit such abuse.[24][25][26]
Pedophilia was first formally recognized and named in the late 19th century. A significant amount of research in the area has taken place since the 1980s. At present, the exact causes of pedophilia have not been conclusively established.[27] Research suggests that pedophilia may be correlated with several different neurological abnormalities, and often co-exists with other personality disorders and psychological pathologies. In the contexts of forensic psychology and law enforcement, a variety of typologies have been suggested to categorize pedophiles according to behavior and motivations.[21]
The word comes from the Greek: παιδοφιλία (paidophilÃa): Greek: παῖς (paîs), "child" and Greek: φιλία (philÃa), "friendship". Paidophilia was coined by Greek poets either as a substitute for "paiderastia" (pederasty),[28][verification needed] or vice versa.
Nepiophilia, also called infantophilia, is not necessarily the same thing as pedophilia, and is used to refer to a sexual preference for toddlers and infants (usually ages 0–3).[29]
Many terms have been used to distinguish "true pedophiles" from non-pedophilic and non-exclusive offenders, or to distinguish among types of offenders on a continuum according to strength and exclusivity of pedophilic interest, and motivation for the offense (see child sexual offender types). Exclusive pedophiles are sometimes referred to as "true pedophiles." They are attracted to children, and children only. They show little erotic interest in adults their own age and in some cases, can only become aroused while fantasizing or being in the presence of prepubescent children. Non-exclusive pedophiles may at times be referred to as non-pedophilic offenders, but the two terms are not always synonymous. Non-exclusive pedophiles are attracted to both children and adults, and can be sexually aroused by both, though a sexual preference for one over the other in this case may also exist.[9]
Neither the ICD nor the DSM diagnostic criteria require actual sexual activity with a prepubescent youth. The diagnosis can therefore be made based on the presence of fantasies or sexual urges even if they have never been acted upon. On the other hand, a person who acts upon these urges yet experiences no distress about their fantasies or urges can also qualify for the diagnosis. Acting on sexual urges is not limited to overt sex acts for purposes of this diagnosis, and can sometimes include indecent exposure, voyeuristic or frotteuristic behaviors,[1] or masturbating to child pornography.[40] Often, these behaviors need to be considered in-context with an element of clinical judgment before a diagnosis is made. Likewise, when the patient is in late adolescence, the age difference is not specified in hard numbers and instead requires careful consideration of the situation.[41]
Though most researchers distinguish between child molesters and pedophiles,[3][24][25][42] Studer and Aylwin argue that the DSM criteria are over-inclusive because all acts of child molestation warrant the diagnosis. A child molester satisfies criteria A because of the behavior involving sexual activity with prepubescent children and criteria B because the individual has acted on those urges.[42] Furthermore, they argue that it also is under-inclusive in the case of individuals who do not act upon it and are not distressed by it.[42] The latter point has also been made by several other researchers who have remarked that a so-called "contented pedophile"—an individual who fantasizes about having sex with a child and masturbates to these fantasies, but does not commit child sexual abuse, and who does not feel subjectively distressed afterward—does not meet the DSM-IV-TR criteria for pedophilia, because this person does not meet Criterion B.[3][42][43][44][45] A large-scale survey about usage of different classification systems showed that the DSM classification is only rarely used. As an explanation, it was suggested that the under-inclusiveness, as well as a lack of validity, reliability and clarity might have led to the rejection of the DSM classification.[46]
They described two definitions, a "restrictive" form referring to individuals with strong and exclusive sexual interest in children, and an "inclusive" definition, expanding the term to include offenders who engaged in sexual contact with a child, including incest. They stated that they used the wider definition in their review paper because behavioral criteria are easier to identify and do not require complex analysis of an individual's motivations.[22]
The term pedophile is commonly used to describe all child sexual abuse offenders, including those who do not meet the clinical diagnosis standards, which is seen as problematic by researchers,[20][24] as most distinguish between child molesters and pedophiles.[3][24][25][42] A perpetrator of child sexual abuse is commonly assumed to be and referred to as a pedophile; however, there may be other motivations for the crime[49] (such as stress, marital problems, or the unavailability of an adult partner).[70] Child sexual abuse may or may not be an indicator that its perpetrator is a pedophile. Offenders may be separated into two types: Exclusive (i.e., "true pedophiles") and non-exclusive (or, in some cases, "non-pedophilic"). According to a U.S. study on 2429 adult male pedophile sex offenders, only 7% identified themselves as exclusive; indicating that many or most offenders fall into the non-exclusive category.[23] However, the Mayo Clinic reports perpetrators who meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia offend more often than non-pedophile perpetrators, and with a greater number of victims. They state that approximately 95% of child sexual abuse incidents are committed by the 88% of child molestation offenders who meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia.[23] A behavioral analysis report by the FBI states that a "high percentage of acquaintance child molesters are preferential sex offenders who have a true sexual preference for [prepubescent] children (i.e., true pedophiles)."[21]
Several researchers have reported correlations between pedophilia and certain psychological characteristics, such as low self-esteem[74][75] and poor social skills.[76] Cohen et al. (2002), studying child sex offenders, states that pedophiles have impaired interpersonal functioning and elevated passive-aggressiveness, as well as impaired self-concept. Regarding disinhibitory traits, pedophiles demonstrate elevated sociopathy and propensity for cognitive distortions. According to the authors, pathologic personality traits in pedophiles lend support to a hypothesis that such pathology is related to both motivation for and failure to inhibit pedophilic behavior.[77]
If you wanna bring in facts
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Finnea wrote on 2010-11-12 06:49
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18-year-old dating a 30-year-old? Thoughts?
Perfectly fine. o.o
Quote from Hiccup;212943:
Ok well highschool + 5 years. -5 is O_O
Middle school +4 is ok. -4 is O_O
@Phunkie I find it creepy. I would only ever date someone relatively close to my age
Middle School dating is kinda touchy, most often they aren't exactly mature enough to hold on a full relationship as it would be considered. However if you just add a few years with the some years onto any of those they slowly become a little less absurd.
Quote from Byte;212937:
I do 4. In my head it goes, okay I'm a senior, I won't date a girl in the 8th grade.
Next year would you date a freshman that was and 8th grader last year? Is that really that big of a difference if you two really hit it off?
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Beepuke wrote on 2010-11-12 06:50
Yeah sure, words gain different meanings in culture, but you can't just redefine a word to your own convenience. A pedophile, as used in the English language, is defined as a someone who has a sexual interest in prepubescent children, generally 13 years of age or younger, depending on when puberty hits. It's not a connotation that has been gained in society. It's the accepted medical and psychological definition. I'm not condoning or condemning it because I don't think that sexual preference is something you can choose. I took a course on human sexuality once and the professor mentioned a patient of his that gets aroused by being in the back of an automobile. Do I think he chose it? Certainly not. In any case, you can take the roots of the word "pedophile" and take it to mean "child love" or someone who loves children, but that's really not the accepted definition.
And, back to the original topic, I think that book's just plain offensive. You can write a book about how to kidnap someone, kill them and preserve them in their own bodily fluids and slowly roast them to perfection with sage seasoning, but I certainly don't think it's acceptable. >___> Before you get on my case about how pedophilia isn't on par with murder, rape isn't pretty either. A book teaching you how to abuse children and get away with it, causing untold amounts of trauma, is certainly not something I want freely available to the public. The majority of pedophiles would probably shy away from the idea of actually touching a child, but there are definitely those out there who would take opportunities that come their way. This isn't just a matter of free speech, this is a matter of preserving the sanctity of childhood.