Flame Burst damage

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Alice wrote on 2010-11-14 11:20

I'm looking for someone who knows flame burst well enough to give some pointers as to how damage is calculated with that skill.

So far I've done two tests yielding results that are far from what would be expected from the data on Mabiwiki.

So I am a bit confused right now on this and any help would be appreciated.
:XD:

First Test:

On barrier spikes[0 def\prot] with non-elemental cylinder:
17 max with one charge (rank f FB) (rank 1 AM)
34 max with two charges
85 max w/5 charges [5x max instead of 7.2x?]

17\1.45 = 11.72 max - So basically it has 11 base max damage if I'm not mistaken at this rank?

If it had 14 max damage (what is says it should have) it would look more like this:
14 x 1.45 = 20.3 max

Second Test:
On barrier spikes[0 def\prot] with non-elemental cylinder:

52 max w/1 charge (rank 1 FB) (rank 1 AM)
104 max w/2 charges
260 max w/5 charges [Still 5x max instead of 7.2x]

So base damage would come out as:
52\1.45 = 35.862

While the expected damage result would be:
42 X 1.45 = 60.9

Is there some error in these calculations or something I'm missing?
Or perhaps maybe G12 update reversed Flame Burst damage to pre-G11 patch values?

** Rank F Flame Burst under the old chart was 11 max; while Rank 1 Flame Burst under the old chart was 34 max for reference.
** For what it matters I was almost naked while wearing only an ice element robe which shouldn't have effected damage.
Phanterz wrote on 2010-11-14 13:47

I'll test this; it seems that rank 1 flame burst is only hitting in the 500s with crit for me. (At 5 charges)

Edit:
Rank 1 Flame at 21-42, Rank E Alchemy Mastery for +6% damage. 5 charges. Rank 1 Critical
The min critical should be (21+42*1.5)*7.2*1.06 = 641.088
The max critical should be (42*2.5)*7.2*1.06 = 801.36
However, I never even hit into the 600s. o_O
Alice wrote on 2010-11-15 10:15

Thanks for the input; the main thing I'm afraid of, is if this is a problem resulting from the G12 patch much like the ego weapon level recapping a while ago.

If that were the case then it might go unnoticed\unfixed by Nexon for quite some time.
:T_T:
Omegatronic wrote on 2010-11-15 20:59

Quote from Alice;214851:

First Test:

On barrier spikes[0 def\prot] with non-elemental cylinder:
17 max with one charge (rank f FB) (rank 1 AM)

I replicated this part of your test exactly. rF FB with r1 AM gave me 17 max dmg with one charge on a rF barrier. However, I regularly hit 19's on young brown legged fenec foxes outside of Filia.

conclusion: barrier spikes are not 0/0
Alice wrote on 2010-11-15 22:50

Thanks, I had also tried it on Gray Wolves (1 def\0 prot) with the results of:

16 max with one charge (rank f FB) (rank 1 AM)
33 max with two charges
(would not survive enough hits for me to find what 5 charges did)

But I just tried again on Iria mobs and found that it does do full (G11) damage on them with the exception that 5 charges only does 5x damage instead of 7.2x.
I'll do further testing to find out what's going on.

Aside, does anyone know if this would this be an accurate estimate of a maxed out flame burst's damage as of G13?

[42(r1 Fb) * 1.45(r1 AM) + 8 (Hot shoes) + 5 (Spark Gloves) +13 (Cylinder Upgrades) + 12 (2 Heated Accessories) + 6 (Flame hat) + 13 (Synergy Cylinder)] * 1.15 (Cressida Set) * 5 (5 charges) * 1.3(Volc. cyl) * 1.1 (R1 Fire Mastery) * 1.1 (Fire Mastery Title)

= 1066.376025 damage (non-crit) [Absolute Max possible of 13329.7003125 damage if it crits for max 5 times.]

[ Testing ]

* [Reconfirmed that it does do damage conforming to my previous experiments on Gray Wolves, perhaps elemental alignment is playing a role?]
* [Confirmed through punching a bunch of gray wolves with 100 max that they really do have 1 def\0 prot.]
* [Tried it on Young Raccoons now with the same damage results as for barrier spikes]
* [Tried it on Gray Foxes with the same results as for Gray Wolves]
* [Now, I've hit the barrier spikes with 100-100 damage and always cause 100 damage or crit for 250 damage]

My own conclusion after hitting most of the resident wildlife of the Tir area with flame burst with the same results is that my previous data still holds. The reason why it causes more damage to some Iria mobs is probably due to elemental alignment; and with my own test on barrier spikes, they are certainly close enough to 0 def\prot to have no influence on damage at or below 100.

If anyone has any information, ideas, or thoughts I welcome you to respond; this remains a bit of a conundrum for me.
Phanterz wrote on 2010-11-17 00:27

Quote from Alice;216503:
Thanks, I had also tried it on Gray Wolves (1 def\0 prot) with the results of:

16 max with one charge (rank f FB) (rank 1 AM)
33 max with two charges
(would not survive enough hits for me to find what 5 charges did)

But I just tried again on Iria mobs and found that it does do full (G11) damage on them with the exception that 5 charges only does 5x damage instead of 7.2x.
I'll do further testing to find out what's going on.

Aside, does anyone know if this would this be an accurate estimate of a maxed out flame burst's damage as of G13?

[42(r1 Fb) * 1.45(r1 AM) + 8 (Hot shoes) + 5 (Spark Gloves) +13 (Cylinder Upgrades) + 12 (2 Heated Accessories) + 6 (Flame hat) + 13 (Synergy Cylinder)] * 1.15 (Cressida Set) * 5 (5 charges) * 1.3(Volc. cyl) * 1.1 (R1 Fire Mastery) * 1.1 (Fire Mastery Title)

= 1066.376025 damage (non-crit) [Absolute Max possible of 13329.7003125 damage if it crits for max 5 times.]

[ Testing ]

* [Reconfirmed that it does do damage conforming to my previous experiments on Gray Wolves, perhaps elemental alignment is playing a role?]
* [Confirmed through punching a bunch of gray wolves with 100 max that they really do have 1 def\0 prot.]
* [Tried it on Young Raccoons now with the same damage results as for barrier spikes]
* [Tried it on Gray Foxes with the same results as for Gray Wolves]
* [Now, I've hit the barrier spikes with 100-100 damage and always cause 100 damage or crit for 250 damage]

My own conclusion after hitting most of the resident wildlife of the Tir area with flame burst with the same results is that my previous data still holds. The reason why it causes more damage to some Iria mobs is probably due to elemental alignment; and with my own test on barrier spikes, they are certainly close enough to 0 def\prot to have no influence on damage at or below 100.

If anyone has any information, ideas, or thoughts I welcome you to respond; this remains a bit of a conundrum for me.

It seems that the multiplier is just 1x per charge, so 5 charges is not 7.2x but 5x. This would explain the "inexplicable" drop in damage.
What I forgot to mention (and calculate) in the test above is that I was also using a Fire Cylinder, which should multiply the entire damage by 1.15

For criticals:
Formulaic Damage, 5 charges:
Min 21 + 63 crit = 84
84*1.06 (Alchemy Mastery)*1.15 (Cylinder)*7.2 (Multiplier) = 737.2512 per critical hit in 5 charges
Max 42 + 63 crit = 105
105*1.06*1.15*7.2 = 921.564 per critical hit in 5 charges
Rounded Formulaic Critical at 5C: 737-922

If the multiplier were only at 5x, this would be about 512-640, which more closely matches the damage I was getting.
Dracius wrote on 2010-11-18 01:46

Flame Burst crits.

A lot.