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Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-11-16 11:56
At the rate that I am rafting, I take about 15 minutes for 1.5 stack of ingots. This is about 6 stacks of ingots.
I have heard that someone can manage up to 10 ingots in one hour with 2 characters. How can it be done with R6 thunder? Or do you really need R1 for this? Will it be tricky?
I want to reduce my time spent at rafting as much as I can so that I can have time for other things too...
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Username wrote on 2010-11-16 12:02
Unless you have more people, i dont think its possible, as it takes several minutes to finish a raft
Edit: Saying your partner got 30 each round with you, thats 60 ingots total.
10 stacks = 200 Ingots
I find rafting takes 7-10 minutes. So
200 ingots seems easily enough
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Chinaboy475 wrote on 2010-11-16 13:23
does anyone even buy ingots? when i was in lower refining ranks no one bought mine and i sold em for like 7k Alexina
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Archibald wrote on 2010-11-16 14:31
Yogurt whats your metal conversion rank and what do unkown ores sell for on your server. Cause at r1 conversion you can get 5 ingots for 1 stack of unknown ores. This is the most cost effective way to "buy" ingots. Here unknowns will sell for 1-2k per stack which means you can get 1 stack of iron ingots (20ingots) for 8k and in the time saved you can easily make up that money.
The alternative to buying those is taking a alt character with rank novice or rank F metalurgy and going to the beach. Most of the time you will fail and ge unkown ores. I suggest using a elf character for speed between ore piles.
Here on Alexina I can get about 100-150 stacks of iron ingots for 500k using this method. Or just the cost of repairing seives.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-11-16 16:46
With 2 characters, you can get around 2 stacks of ingots per entire rafting trip. This is assuming you can't get ingots in the 2nd part. After getting enough stars for Ingots on the last part, just die to hobgoblins, and respawn at the beginning to save time. Maybe you can squeeze 5 trips of rafting in one hour, which results in 10 stacks.
Having r1 Thunder does mean having 0.5 second faster load, and can kill 4 goblins in one charge almost all the time. This is holding one of those -% damage thunder wands to save some mana.
Archibald, how do you metal conversion that much unknowns that fast? Seems like it takes a long time to convert even with r1 conversion. I can only seem to do it one at a time.
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Archibald wrote on 2010-11-16 17:38
You can only do 1 at a time but you just spam click instead of trying for gems. It takes about 2 hours to process the ores I spoke of in this fashion. But 2 hours for 100-150k stacks of ingots (2000-3000 ingots) vs16-20 stacks in the same timeframe. Now the other thing of course is supply/demand and if you can get that many ores. If you have to farm them yourself it will take more time but you'll save more money. But even if it takes you 5 hour metalurgying on alt + 2 hours to process you would break even. The only downside I see is not getting mana herbs/exp from raft. I would just party add uy the ores unless I'm broke. At which case I might even do this process to make money.
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Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-11-16 17:59
Metal conversion Rank 9 so I can't do it.
I think the efficiency for rafting for now is better. I can get mana herbs all the time such that I already have close to 120 stacks of mp 100s from Rank B alone.
If said changes from some update notes do come, I'll probably dig into the mana 100s reserves for future rafting needs...
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Chihaya wrote on 2010-11-16 21:01
I'm lazy, so I just take my mana efficient wand, mana reduction set, and just get the stars required, play dead, watch anime, come back, and repeat. =P
I also do it on a Friday so I can get more from the Mana Potions ^^
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Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-11-17 01:35
Yesterday I saw fragments for 5k per stack on the server. However, the quantity is few.
However, if I can set a bot to specially pick up these stacks and leave my main computer and my laptop computer running while I'm at lesson/work, I believe that will save me a lot of time and effort for ingots.
I'm extremely desperate for time so I'm practically looking at as many methods to save time/effort for blacksmithing.
My goal is 10-20 stacks a day, which about 70-140 stacks a week. 140-280 stacks of unknown ores seems to be a good deal.
The other question now is, how difficult is it to get from metal conversion rank 9 to rank 1?
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Archibald wrote on 2010-11-17 01:42
easy to get 9-2
rank 2 requires you to make 2 diamonds. Took me quite a bit to do that. but worth it in long run. really more useful skill than refining for blacksmithing now. When you get to high ranks and need silver you can simply buy copper ingots and make silver 2>1 which I don't kno about there but here copper is cheap.
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Tally wrote on 2010-11-17 02:35
I entirely don't understand how converting unknown ore into iron ingots is more cost-efficient than rafting for ingots. You're probably wasting waay more money buying the unknown ores than rafting for the ingots. It is also a lot less time-efficient, I'd understand, albeit a more passive process.
In other words, I'm not paying 6k for something that would cost 530 for me, if you account for arrow costs per run, and repairs.
I can imagine it's probably still more cost-inefficient than rafting with thunder. I just don't see the logic here, I'm sorry.
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Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-11-17 02:53
Quote from Tally;218369:
I entirely don't understand how converting unknown ore into iron ingots is more cost-efficient than rafting for ingots. You're probably wasting waay more money buying the unknown ores than rafting for the ingots. It is also a lot less time-efficient, I'd understand, albeit a more passive process.
In other words, I'm not paying 6k for something that would cost 530 for me, if you account for arrow costs per run, and repairs.
I can imagine it's probably still more cost-inefficient than rafting with thunder. I just don't see the logic here, I'm sorry.
I still need to chop wood or pay 5000 gold for rafting.
Rafting can be profitable but I forsee that with future changes it will not be that lucrative anymore.
Which is why I need to find alternative ways.
Time is also money. You are paying a lot more time worth of money there.
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Tally wrote on 2010-11-17 03:20
Metal Conversion is paying roughly the same or more time, so that argument is a little moot to me.
Granted, I will be ranking up metal conversion. Just not for iron.
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Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-11-17 03:23
Quote from Tally;218453:
Metal Conversion is paying roughly the same or more time, so that argument is a little moot to me.
Granted, I will be ranking up metal conversion. Just not for iron.
Which is why I'm also exploring unconventional means of getting unknown ores....