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Shirayuki wrote on 2010-11-17 22:40
Dammet :c And I thought we were bonding yesterday </3
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BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2010-11-17 23:21
Quote from Ruquion;219141:
A perma ban for something of this sort sounds pretty extreme, IMO...
Not at all
it's very light for all the years Brad ran his mouth over in the forums.
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Tokiko wrote on 2010-11-17 23:24
How many times will Brad be banned before he's perma-banned?
I agree with what Saani says and Brad got it way to easy.
but whatever. :/
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Sloth wrote on 2010-11-17 23:28
"No impersonating any other person on MabiNation."
Wouldn't this apply against brad anyways or no?
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Falsetto wrote on 2010-11-17 23:33
While I'm not too keen on discussion banning matters publicity on the forums, rest assured there is little left for Brad to stand on.
I'm pretty sure every single person on the staff can vouch for that. I've already taken a beating for being so nice and forgiving.
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Arsik wrote on 2010-11-17 23:39
I say no, and here's my argument:
If Brad is to be permabanned, then to be fair to him, then we have to demote Phunkie, at the least, since they are equally at fault here. Brad has only been banned once [s]well technically twice, but one of those bans wasn't officially sanctioned by the staff, so it doesn't count[/s], and that one time was because he requested the ban so that he would leave the site and not have any reason to come back, not because he did anything wrong.
Yes, Brad causes problems, but officially, he only tiptoes on the line of being within the rules and being out of them. But while he was masquerading as Phunkie, he never did anything without Phunkie's say so. Yes, Brad did use Phunkie's account and abused the powers, and yes, both parties should have known that they shouldn't have done what they done. But honestly, did anyone really notice that Brad was Phunkie until everyone got themselves a Bieber signature?
So basically what I'm saying is: If you want Brad permabanned, then you also are requesting that Phunkie should be demoted and banned as well, since it also states in the rules that "any actions that occur while someone else is using your account is your responsibility." Even though we all know it was Brad who did it, officially, it was Phunkie who changed all of your signatures, banned one member as a joke and banned one of Phunkie's alt accounts. And honestly, the two reasons as to why these guys are in trouble is because of a regular member having access to things he's not allowed to have by having a staff member give it to him, and because he also gave out some unreasonable infractions, which while Brad probably didn't know, but each infraction leads up to a person getting banned passively. So really, if Brad didn't infract or ban someone, there really wouldn't have been a problem, since there's a certain admin known for changing other people's signatures for fun.
/coughs
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Byte wrote on 2010-11-17 23:46
What a great cough that was Arsik. :)
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-11-18 00:09
I think it's time for a public apology.
I'm sorry about what happened yesterday. It was just good fun that got out of hand rather quickly. I've seen people switch accounts here before, so I didn't think it could be so horrible. Indeed I am a moderator, so I forgot this role-switching fun could've posed some trouble and I was irresponsible for letting it go on so far.
I did wrong. Brad did wrong.
I shouldn't have lent him my account for that day. He shouldn't have gone infraction-crazy, nor edited your signatures and whatnot. If you want to blame him, please blame me as well for letting this circus go on in the first place.
Also, I write this message to you because I feel like you all have the wrong idea of him. In fact, I've seen it over and over again and it bothers me slightly.
I know I am not in the position to speak, but he isn't the bad person you all believe him to be. Well, how do you know, Phunkie?, you may ask, but please listen to me for a second.
He's reported quite a few posts in the past. His reasons: this should be locked, this thread has been dead for awhile, this guy's being a little rude...
A person who has no care whatsoever for the rules or for a silly forum doesn't care about necro'ed threads or slight flaming.
And didn't we slightly antagonize the Bieber-head for the longest when he changed his name to Bieber? EWBIEBER or GTHOBIEBER, tell me you didn't see these remarks around the forums during that time. It became borderline annoying at one point. I remember even seeing a person post, I'm not gonna listen to you because your name is Bieber.
He is a person who likes to joke around (yes Mozendo, your lips are not ugly!), who has only been banned once (not 2390432 times, Tasha) and who I feel we all resent for no real reason.
Yeah, he's not Jesus, and yeah, he does have trouble with the staff, but I feel like you guys have never really given him a chance.
He's not a bad person.
Didn't he upload that video for Arsik two days ago because our lovable Admin was having trouble uploading it himself? People who don't care don't do favors like that.
They troll. Like Maximus, like Kraken, like all those other people we've banned before for flat-out disrespecting and insulting others.
While I don't agree with the silly infractions he gave out yesterday and the many signatures he changed, I still don't think he's a bad guy. Banning Randomcheese didn't go through without my permission and that lasted for like 1 minute; a joke to which Cheese didn't complain at all. And the Bieber signatures were another joke as well.
Had it not been him, had it been a completely different person, it still would have been someone I completely trust, not some newcomer or stranger. And I'd still vouch for that person, had it been Brad or someone else.
But of course, this won't happen again. And I apologize if our antics freaked you out yesterday.
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MrpewX2 wrote on 2010-11-18 00:14
He didn't edit my sig QQ, I feel left out.
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-11-18 00:39
Except Brad disregards the staff more than most members, and he doesn't seem to know the boundaries between what is okay and what is not okay.
I do think that a 7 day ban is being light on him, but if he returns, he'll be on his absolute last life.
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Okami wrote on 2010-11-18 00:52
Quote from Kazuni;219396:
Except Brad disregards the staff more than most members, and he doesn't seem to know the boundaries between what is okay and what is not okay.
I do think that a 7 day ban is being light on him, but if he returns, he'll be on his absolute last life.
amen
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abc33kr wrote on 2010-11-18 00:56
Can we turn the wheel of ban to determine how long brad will be banned?
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Piko wrote on 2010-11-18 00:57
Eh, personally I don't think a few people are fit to be staff on the site. As well as my own view of the situation.
Byte is too anxious with his moderating. In the form of a metaphor, he's the type of guy who'd blow his whistle a billion times over a small foul.
Phunkie is a good moderator overall, but he showed in this minor incident that he isn't too serious about how he uses his power.
When you become a moderator, it's a common thing where you have to come to an understanding that you now hold responsibilities. While it is important that you handle your responsibilities carefully and rightfully, that doesn't mean you shouldn't handle them strictly and anxiously. From my perspective, Byte and Phunkie are two sides of a coin. One is good, yet lenient with his powers while the other is haughty and strict with his powers. I'll be honest when I say I like Phunkie and think Byte is a ****.
Now then, I believe that some people can think of a dozen of counter statements to prove me wrong, but hold your wenis, that doesn't mean I'm saying they should be removed from their positions. What I'm saying is that they should learn a thing or two from each other really, and from the rest of the staff as well. Out of all of the current staff members, those two stand out the most to me because of how they deal with situations and use their powers (But I would totally not mind if Phunkie stays as lenient as he is. Too many staff members have to act like tight asses in my opinion).
Moving on to another point as to why neither should surrender their powers nor why Brad deserves to be permanently banned, is because this forum is a rather small forum. Compared to other forums, it is actually around medium size. Since there aren't too many incidents in which people should be punished and etc, that leaves room for the staff to hold less tight of a hold on the forum. The amount of people who post regularly are manageable as it is, so there's no need to enforce more rules. Rather, there never was a need to begin with, and you people kept deciding, "Oh, well this sh*t just happened so I guess we better tighten our hold on them." Well you know, sh*t happens every once in a while and there's no avoiding it. Like what happened right now, it isn't even that big of a deal. Oh damn. My signature has Justin Bieber in it now. I'm going to get Diabetes. It's a joke. Now I'm the kind of person who can't stand it when people joke about me, but I don't want to be a dick and say, "Shut the f*ck up." all the time. I admit I did lose it in that Nation Family thread, but I can't really say I'm sorry about that. I don't like being called a Marill and being the son/daughter of someone I believe is a punk.
Now then, let's compare Brad's status with Jordy's aka Virtue. Virtue's last ban was for his own personal dispute with Fal and their friendship. While there's no point in arguing why it's wrong since Fal is the motherf*cking Queen of this place and doesn't give a sh*t about what I'm going to say to back him up since her word is law in this monarchy, I'll hop off on that. Brad's ban was for taking control of a moderators account and simply changing the signatures of members to have Justin Bieber in it, as well as impersonating a Moderator. Think about which one is more serious. [s]It's obviously Jordy's ban because nobody ain't gonna talk sh*t on our Queen.[/s]
Moving on, I really don't have anything more to say. Or at least, I dunno where to pick off from that. I pretty much wanted to take what I thought of this in my mind and drop it in this little post.
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Byte wrote on 2010-11-18 01:22
As I said before, me and Phunkie should do the Fusion Dance...
[video=youtube;0M-aZzPvx3Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M-aZzPvx3Y&feature=related[/video]
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-11-18 01:22
Quote from Byte;219482:
As I said before, me and Phunkie should do the Fusion Dance...
[video=youtube;0M-aZzPvx3Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M-aZzPvx3Y&feature=related[/video]
FUSE WITH ME MOTHAF-
*dances*
Bunkie or Phyte? What's our fused name?