Ice Elements.

• Phunkie wrote on 2010-11-20 18:56
  LF>Someone to fix the Elementals wiki article once and for all!
• Kueh wrote on 2010-11-20 19:01

  Quote from Crimmy;222810:

  Well, yes they reduce damage but how do they?

  
  
  After the damage is calculated, I was under the impression that they just shaved off points. It might even be before, but from my experience it's after
  
  Saying they add elemental protection makes sense, but it doesn't explain natural magic shield, since there's no such thing as natural protection.
• Crimmy wrote on 2010-11-20 19:23

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;222818:

  Saying they add elemental protection makes sense, but it doesn't explain natural magic shield, since there's no such thing as natural protection.

  
  
  I think Natural Magic Shield is just a version of Defense for ranged. The only difference is that it can't be cancelled until time runs out and it negates any stun taken. It still adds prot and defense as long as you're no being hit from within the shield.
  
  I should mention another reason why I think the elemental Magic Shields give elemental protection: Alchemy. Alchemy is elemental, with Earth being the "natural" element on the wheel. "Natural", I think, is just damage without any given elemental damage bonus. Anywho. Water Cannon is ice elemantal, Ice Magic Shield will work on it. Flame Blast is fire elemental, Fire Magic Shield will work if said Blaster is far enough away.
  
  I am working on finding this stuff out, I think I'm one of the few people who actually rank them. These are just theories though, I'm not saying that this is exactly what they are.
• Kueh wrote on 2010-11-20 19:26
  ^ I don't see how alchemy being elemental translates into the shields giving protection rather than reducing raw damage.
  
  The reason I think it's just a reduction of raw damage rather than protection is that you can achieve 100% reduction (of course any attack will do a minimum of 1 damage). With enough magic shields, even dragon fireballs can be reduced to 1, whereas (as far as I know) players can't get 100% of any type of protection.
• Crimmy wrote on 2010-11-20 19:45

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;222842:

  With enough magic shields, even dragon fireballs can be reduced to 1.

  
  
  Whoa whoa, pics/vids or it didn't happen. Dragon fireballs are extremely powerful.
  
  Magic Shields could just shave off damage sure. That's possible. But the shields descriptions do state that they reduce "magic" damage, not elemental damage. So if they just shaved off magic damage, then Magic Fire Shield should only be shaving off Firebolt and Fireball, not fire elemental attacks from alchemy. That's why I think they just boost elemental protection instead of just shaving off damage.
• Kueh wrote on 2010-11-20 19:56
  ^ Well I'm not playing mabi actively anymore, so it'll be a while before I can get a ss, but it happened. Also, alchemy is technically a magic since it works against Mana Deflector, so it should also work against magic shields.
  
  Also, an in-game description of alchemy calls it the fusion of magic and science. I'm not sure but I think it was Dorren saying it. Or maybe it wasn't in-game, it might have been in the Errin Walker.
• Zid wrote on 2010-11-22 20:40
  Think of it this way.
  
  How do 20+ dmg appear in a 0% duel with Smash/Magnum?
• soheikitsune wrote on 2010-11-22 23:56
  i think the int magic formula has something to do with it. same way magic can hit 2s on things that are "indestructible" *npc guards*