Bad to have high physical critical for Evie?

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Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-12-13 03:05

Quote from babohtea;245953:
the first two hits can't crit, you know?

Anyway, about the original topic:
It requires more testing. The only real smash that I can think of that would be affected by this would be Invisible Loom, where the first hit would crit them out. No other scenarios make sense. It MAY be that sometimes you send the monster flying so freaking far that you can't even use your finisher, but I doubt that's the real problem. Unless you use the 4 hit smash on trash mobs a lot, I see no problem with crit.

But, again, more testing D:

I'm pretty sure the lift up motion of the smash of quake hell can crit, I've had it happen to me before.
It happens to quake hell too if it's on the edge of it because they get knocked to the side; thus, not getting hit by main, floor cracking part of the smash
Kueh wrote on 2010-12-13 03:13

Quote from Phoenix~Lament;245768:
On my Scythe Evie my third smash criticalled but the normal attack that's part of the 3rd smash still hit the monsters. Even though the actual smash missed I was still able to get Mark of Death from just hitting with the normal part of the smash.

This is because all three of the hits in Soul Skewer are part of the smash, so you still hit them with it. I know what you mean by "actual smash", but it's all the same smash.

Quote from babohtea;245953:
the first two hits can't crit, you know?

They can.

Quote from babohtea;245953:
Anyway, about the original topic:
It requires more testing. The only real smash that I can think of that would be affected by this would be Invisible Loom, where the first hit would crit them out. No other scenarios make sense. It MAY be that sometimes you send the monster flying so freaking far that you can't even use your finisher, but I doubt that's the real problem. Unless you use the 4 hit smash on trash mobs a lot, I see no problem with crit.

But, again, more testing D:

No, the only smash it would be a problem for is Quake Hell, because the multiple hits that occur after you hit the smash key are all considered part of the smash, and you can do the soul pull as long as just one of them hits. That means that for Invisible Loom and Soul Skewer, this is not a problem at all because you can still activate Death Label and Bloody Thread.
babohtea wrote on 2010-12-13 03:55

Quote from Whyrainfalls;245987:
This is because all three of the hits in Soul Skewer are part of the smash, so you still hit them with it. I know what you mean by "actual smash", but it's all the same smash.

They can.

No, the only smash it would be a problem for is Quake Hell, because the multiple hits that occur after you hit the smash key are all considered part of the smash, and you can do the soul pull as long as just one of them hits. That means that for Invisible Loom and Soul Skewer, this is not a problem at all because you can still activate Death Label and Bloody Thread.

I thought he was talking about the two normal attacks before the quake >.<

Invisible Loom supposedly can crit on the initial, very weak physical hit, meaning that the second part (the .20 multiplier part) doesn't.
Phoenix~Lament wrote on 2010-12-13 04:40

Quote from Whyrainfalls;245987:
No, the only smash it would be a problem for is Quake Hell, because the multiple hits that occur after you hit the smash key are all considered part of the smash, and you can do the soul pull as long as just one of them hits. That means that for Invisible Loom and Soul Skewer, this is not a problem at all because you can still activate Death Label and Bloody Thread.

Exactly. Therefore it's not a problem. Issue resolved!
Kueh wrote on 2010-12-13 04:50

Quote from Phoenix~Lament;246100:
Exactly. Therefore it's not a problem. Issue resolved!

:/

Quote from babohtea;246038:
Invisible Loom supposedly can crit on the initial, very weak physical hit, meaning that the second part (the .20 multiplier part) doesn't.

This is what the thread about. They say if the initial hit of any of the smashes gets a crit, the enemy will fly away and you'll even hit them with the last part.
Kenero wrote on 2010-12-13 05:14

Not really a problem for me.

As long as the smash connects I have no problem pullings souls or marking/tying enemies, whether it crits or not.
heretic304 wrote on 2010-12-13 05:48

You say that, but later on the Bloody Thread alone will not kill the enemy, so it's going to waste time. Apparently the trash mobs in boat 5 and beyond tend to become a bigger problem than the bosses themselves, especially when they periodically spawn during the boss fight. This means you wanna get rid of them as quickly as possible, and the crit knocking them away can be quite the hindrance to this. If you don't feel that this is really an issue, then by all means, rank critical hits.
Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-12-13 06:05

Quote from babohtea;246038:
I thought he was talking about the two normal attacks before the quake >.<

Invisible Loom supposedly can crit on the initial, very weak physical hit, meaning that the second part (the .20 multiplier part) doesn't land.

Fixed. Even if the first physical hit(s) crit, you can still crit with the magic portion of the smash. The problem is that it doesn't connect.
xJac wrote on 2010-12-13 15:18

Quote from Whyrainfalls;245298:
There is a kind of knock back, but it's nothing like

[quote=afkalmighty]
the mob just flies away and you realize that you barely done any damage to it at all.

It's never been so bad that I miss completely or even glance.[/QUOTE]

Wrong quote, he never said that. It generalized what he said, but it is done at an awful way. He said you will noticed mob flying away starting from boat 3, but ep6 is when you will start hating it.

He did not mention anything about finisher, nor did he talk about not being able to play the character after getting physical crit. All he said is that is that it CAN be an hinderance than help, nothing more. You can get physical critical and tough it out with it, and possibly do better than other average scythe user. That message is just to notify people of what it does in future boats, and getting physical critical is probably a bad idea.

Edit: By the way, afkalmighty has a different user name in this forum. If you wish to contact him for more on this topic, try searching who made the ep4 fanmade video that is better than the official one.
Kueh wrote on 2010-12-13 15:40

Quote from xJac;246446:
Wrong quote, he never said that. It generalized what he said, but it is done at an awful way. He said you will noticed mob flying away starting from boat 3, but ep6 is when you will start hating it.

First,

Quote from xJac;232003:
Direct quote taken from another fansite. Hope this will clear people's mind a bit.

Second,

Quote from xJac;246446:
He did not mention anything about finisher, nor did he talk about not being able to play the character after getting physical crit. All he said is that is that it CAN be an hinderance than help, nothing more.

I don't think anyone said we won't be able to play after getting the crit, but why shouldn't we talk about the finishers just because he didn't?

Quote from heretic304;246188:
You say that, but later on the Bloody Thread alone will not kill the enemy, so it's going to waste time. Apparently the trash mobs in boat 5 and beyond tend to become a bigger problem than the bosses themselves, especially when they periodically spawn during the boss fight. This means you wanna get rid of them as quickly as possible, and the crit knocking them away can be quite the hindrance to this. If you don't feel that this is really an issue, then by all means, rank critical hits.

I know this is kind of an obscene request, but could you get a video of a first crit knocking the mob out of range of the smash?
If not it's fine, I don't expect you to be recording during the whole fight just waiting for one crit.

But the reason I ask is because I've yet to knock a mob out of range of the final hit with the first hit. If I ever glance or miss, it's because I was aiming poorly in the first place.
heretic304 wrote on 2010-12-13 21:33

I'll try, but usually my gameplay suffers majorly when I try recording while playing x_x
xJac wrote on 2010-12-13 22:12

He said you might notice the difference, didn't say for sure. I have a friend who has r9 physical critical, and she doesn't notice any flying away so far.
heretic304 wrote on 2010-12-14 01:16

I tried running and doing a video, but it just caused my thinger to crash xD But anyway, yea it's not really thaaaat noticeable right now. It really only happens once in a blue moon because most of the time I aim to hit the enemy using the magic part. And it seems like the flying away thing only happens on mobs that are towards the left and right limits of Invisible Loom's reach. And lately I've used Quake Hell much less on trash mobs because it doesn't give as much SP as Invisible Loom.
Kueh wrote on 2010-12-14 01:27

Quote from heretic304;247089:
I tried running and doing a video, but it just caused my thinger to crash xD But anyway, yea it's not really thaaaat noticeable right now. It really only happens once in a blue moon because most of the time I aim to hit the enemy using the magic part. And it seems like the flying away thing only happens on mobs that are towards the left and right limits of Invisible Loom's reach. And lately I've used Quake Hell much less on trash mobs because it doesn't give as much SP as Invisible Loom.

Lol, no big. I really didn't expect a good video showing it, so I'll have to just take your word that it happens.

As it stands, I've never experienced this happening, but even if it did happen, I'd prefer high crit. I'm willing to deal with it if it becomes a problem, but I don't think it will.

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