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asuran wrote on 2010-04-30 23:28
Hi
It seems that lightning bolt is more powerful than ice bolt in pvp terms, since its stun time is longer (not that much, but it's noticeable or so I been told.) but in order to be useful it has to be at least R5.
The thing is, if I get Lightning bolt past RA I lose 10 dex from stiff enchant... it's a very good enchant that I want to keep using, I'm mainly melee and I have 60 dex (R2 refine, almost R1 and will keep working on life/ranged skills to pump up dex).
So is it worth it to get R5 lightning bolt and lose a good chunk of dex from stiff enchants ?, or is R9 ice bolt good enough? or should i get R5 LB, forget stiff and get some other enchants? like lizard, but then again i can't use a lizard hat can I :(?
Thanks for your opinions
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Justified wrote on 2010-04-30 23:33
In PvP, Lightningbolt stun is better for Range since it gives them more time to aim. As Melee, the stun from Icebolt is long enough for you to run up and hit them, or Charge them from a distance. It's all preference though, I don't think ranking Lightningbolt is worth it just for the stun. And the damage isn't too important if you're using it to string combos together. I'd keep it low until your Dex is pretty high. Stiff is too handy.
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Shirayuki wrote on 2010-04-30 23:41
10 dex isn't very hard to get back though. Raising Refine to 1 from 2 is 10 dex by itself. Plus, if you raise CM(if you already haven't), it adds 10 dex from R5-1. Later on in the game, you might notice dex isn't very hard to get though.
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Arsik wrote on 2010-04-30 23:57
I would say try to get Lizard enchants on your weapons, and get LB to at least 5. -10 Dex isn't that painful as compared to -30. The two or three Balance you lose for your Melee damage isn't really that noticeable, and easily made up with a couple of ranks of Combat Mastery.
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Justified wrote on 2010-04-30 23:59
Quote from Shirayuki;23733:
10 dex isn't very hard to get back though. Raising Refine to 1 from 2 is 10 dex by itself. Plus, if you raise CM(if you already haven't), it adds 10 dex from R5-1. Later on in the game, you might notice dex isn't very hard to get though.
It's not hard to get compared to the other stats (except Int), but if you want to use the best weapons possible you'll end up needing over 200 Dex. Stiff Hat and Stiff Weapons (if dual-wielded) is -30 Dex, which could end up being over 100 AP worth of skill ranks.
In fact, that's why Blunt and Lizard (10 Crit alternatives) cost over 200k in Ruairi. -30 Dex isn't something you want.
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Laconicus wrote on 2010-05-01 00:05
What are your guys' recommendations for elves and lightning bolt? Since crit is important for archers but lb is also useful...
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Fumy wrote on 2010-05-01 00:07
Quote from Laconicus;23779:
What are your guys' recommendations for elves and lightning bolt? Since crit is important for archers but lb is also useful...
I never use bolts :3 you can easily use normal range before the enemy reaches you
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Arsik wrote on 2010-05-01 00:09
Same thing really. Just slap Lizard on your bow instead of Stiff, and then "grind" to Level 12. That way, you only lose some Injury, which isn't really important anyways, especially if it's on a bow.
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December wrote on 2010-05-01 00:19
As an archer who also melee and favours lightning bolt I'm also in a similar situation
(-10) With solely a stiff hat, its costing 2.5 max, 2.5 balance for 10% crit
(-30) All 3 stiff equips would mean -7.5 max -7.5 balance for 30% crit
So its up to you to choose crit or damage?
I should point out though, rank 1 refine gives a total of 36 dex, so all that time you spent at the furnace would go down the drain if you get -30
I think its been mentioned there are alternative enchants like Lizard and Blunt
Lizard is probably a good choice as long as long as you find injury rate useless
Blunt has a requirement of r9 CM and Giant Allied, not too great for elves
Revolver is a nice enchant, not too difficult to obtain for crossbows
Snowfall is also good enchant but ridiculously hard to obtain
I say leave it at rA until you no longer need stiff
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-05-01 01:53
Just get more dex and damage from equipments/skill ranks to replace the 4 max damage you are missing.
If you aren't willing to do lifeskills, you probably shouldn't be doing range anyways.
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Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-05-01 02:12
Quote from Laconicus;23779:
What are your guys' recommendations for elves and lightning bolt? Since crit is important for archers but lb is also useful...
I use it frequently myself, mainly because I'm tribrid. But it's reliable stopping power as a "just in case" thing. Anyways, now that I have Rank 1 Defense, it's more reliable, but having 0% base protection (curse you Magnum Shot title) will leave me crippled on a critical hit. But don't let Stiff discourage you from Lightning Bolt, it's still useful.