I'm currently out of ideas, seriously

• Koishi wrote on 2010-12-14 16:59
  Page hunting is woefully inefficient. You can spam Albey Red 10-20 times in the time it takes you to get one page.
• Jando wrote on 2010-12-14 17:08
  I do a collaboration of Merchanting, Rafting and SM's to get my Gold. Recently I've lucked out and found some awesome deals and from a 1k soldier gacha but rafting is going to be your most reliable source if you get 2 tipping suits and 10 mana herbs. Thats at least 60k/11mins or 5.45k min or 327k/hr which to me is pretty darn good.
• Koishi wrote on 2010-12-14 17:19
  That's bad math imo.
  
  Not only do you have to account for getting back to the starting spot, but you have to account for regathering the wood, storing the gold from the NPC sales, because there is no nearby bank, etc.
  
  60k per 11 minutes is not an accurate representation of the money you will make with this method. I would revise it to 60k per 20-25 minutes.
• frozenwilderness wrote on 2010-12-14 17:22
  you have a house and you find it hard to make money? =\
  
  all you need to do is pay attention to party ads.. buy something for cheap and then throw it in your house and make it the lowest one on housing. I don't make money doing /anything/ but merching.. if it weren't for the fact that I can blow 10+ mil in about 3-4 days' time, I'd have a lot of unused money sitting in my bank. make sure to renew your fliers, check prices, etc.
  
  synthesis, is in fact also rather profitable at cap and r1 AM... if you know the right formulas that is.
• Jando wrote on 2010-12-14 17:46

  Quote from Koishi;247734:

  That's bad math imo.
  
  Not only do you have to account for getting back to the starting spot, but you have to account for regathering the wood, storing the gold from the NPC sales, because there is no nearby bank, etc.
  
  60k per 11 minutes is not an accurate representation of the money you will make with this method. I would revise it to 60k per 20-25 minutes.

  
  
  No. Along side with carpentry its actually very beneficially.
  
  Before Rafting:
  
  Collect wood for x amount of rafts, clear pet inventories, clear own inventory
  
  During Rafting:
  
  Do x amount of rafts back to back,
  
  After Rafting:
  
  Sell x amount of tipping suits and mana herbs
  
  Now lets not forgive the handful of people that have those awesome 8x10 bags aswell which can fit 10 tipping suits and the 6x8 bags which can fit 6 tipping suits which results in 8 rafts which only requires 80 pieces of wood or 16 stacks which can be easily done by doing carpentry before hand which can also make you more money by making and/or then selling the higher quality wood. The only things I forgot to include would be the ego reset and respawning back to Raft Start which shouldn't be more then 5 minutes at max.
  
  So roughly 60k/11 - 15mins with 2 factoring variables of ego reset rewards and respawning time. Re spawning time can be null'd with ccing but then gets rid of the opputunity of having a store up selling the mana herbs you get.
  
  So imo you just looked at it with the wrong logic.
• frozenwilderness wrote on 2010-12-14 17:58
  If you stop at all stops, I think it's closer to 13-15 minutes or so. However, I'm pretty sure for any type of rafting where you're collecting 28-30 stars between each stop, you're going to be using mana as well (either cs or thunder), so you'd have to count the cost of mp pot consumption. At some point after you've collected enough tipping suits, you're going to have to go empty your inventory.. now if you're referring to npcing those tipping suits, it means you're going to have to get gold bags to store the gold. If you plan on banking it, have fun paying the 10% deposit fee. Also, gathering the wood to make the raft counts as time too; just because you do it beforehand doesn't mean that it isn't counted as part of the time. I believe it's more efficient just to rent a raft and continue to rinse/repeat the process until your inventory's full, but I think 60k per 17-20 minutes is a more accurate representation of what you'd be getting.
• Morrigan wrote on 2010-12-14 18:03
  I do a combination of things really. Red gem sometimes, me and my hubby would go on Tuesdays and share every other run. We also farm and do dungeons. I usually focus on helping friends/guildies with things instead of money, and my gold bag always seems to hit 50k at some point. My point is that its really not that hard. If you try TOO hard/stress yourself over it, then you'll think you're making money slower then you really are.
• Jando wrote on 2010-12-14 18:17

  Quote from frozenwilderness;247747:

  If you stop at all stops, I think it's closer to 13-15 minutes or so. However, I'm pretty sure for any type of rafting where you're collecting 28-30 stars between each stop, you're going to be using mana as well (either cs or thunder), so you'd have to count the cost of mp pot consumption. At some point after you've collected enough tipping suits, you're going to have to go empty your inventory.. now if you're referring to npcing those tipping suits, it means you're going to have to get gold bags to store the gold. If you plan on banking it, have fun paying the 10% deposit fee. Also, gathering the wood to make the raft counts as time too; just because you do it beforehand doesn't mean that it isn't counted as part of the time. I believe it's more efficient just to rent a raft and continue to rinse/repeat the process until your inventory's full, but I think 60k per 17-20 minutes is a more accurate representation of what you'd be getting.

  
  
  Crash Shot is low budget enough that you can just abuse Demi and Infra with rarely having to use MP pots. Other then that you can just use the Mana herbs yourself and just get the 46k from tipping suits. With getting the firewood you're technically making even more money by getting the higher quality wood then selling that. Fine wood stacks can go for 30k in Mari (I know a seller who is buying for that amount).
  
  But I think the best way imo that takes the cake is Their Method SM. Its low budget as in you only ever need SP pots and only ever need to use windmill. Roughly I get around 10 - 30k per mission depending on gold drops and thats around every 15mins but along side that I get 122k exp and the possibility at many rewards which can also net up to sell for awesome. IE: Burgundy bear ES which you can sell for 1.2m in Mari if you get that onto a WPC which is one of the only ES needed to make a Wooden Needle WPC.
  
  Now these are just estimates because you do have variables of average run time of the mission, average gold from the mission, average drop rate of items and the average time it takes to get a new mission (I want nogi party back and the ability to not have to move to get another TM SM).
  
  If you can clear HM TM in 10minutes then the gold from that will be amazing. There's also another way I know of making epic $$$, around 560k in 80mins + selling time, but why would I tell you that?
  
  Generally Merchanting can also go along way. Knowing the market is crucial when merchanting and you must anticipate then abuse events. The key to merchanting is finding the deals and knowing when that item is a deal for example:
  
  It was during the fishing event and I was browsing the market and I come across a penguin robe for 150k and I was like 'nah don't buy it.' Next thing I know they're selling for around 1m.
  
  Another example was when I came across a blue llb, now I immediately knew that these are rare since I've never seen them before from my window shopping. It was only going for 150k but I was low on cash, only have 200k but that didn't stop me from buying it. I then proffed it so its Egoable and now trying to sell it for 600k. 450k profit.
  
  Merchanting also means ripping people off. I had this 100 prof ring bow that I proffed after buying it for 90k ages ago and I thought it was time to sell it, I placed it for 150k and this guy wants to trade 2 items for it. A neon blue Dustin glove and a black/white warrior suit, I accepted and then went to sell those items and made 300k out if.
  
  My worse idea for making money was rbing 5 times during the Star-shapped mage clothes rb card event. I spent an extra 8k nx which resulted me into gaining nothing back...I still have them on a mule >.< But the current event for Winter clothes, now thats an event worthy to abuse since the clothes look good.
• Marie wrote on 2010-12-14 18:34
  Just do stuff without the means of gaining money, it will come more easily.
• Jando wrote on 2010-12-14 18:35

  Quote from Marie;247759:

  Just do stuff without the means of gaining money, it will come more easily.

  
  
  This.