Which are the first three G13 skills you will rank?

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Kenero wrote on 2010-12-16 16:41

Quote from Karmel;249727:
For the love of all thats holy, rank all the main alchemy skills before the mastery's, unless you only use golem. its only a 10% improvement in damage.

Also transmute, fire, earth mastery

Don't worry, I'm well invested! *thumbs up* :D
Alice wrote on 2010-12-17 10:58

Definitely Sword, Bow, and Transmutation for me first.

Sword and Bow are self explanatory but with r1 transmutation I could get 99% synth on a normal day with r1 Rain Casting\Thunder or 99% on Saturday without any rain. Probably.
Wolfo wrote on 2010-12-17 12:52

I think. I should start working on synth.

I'll get
Earth Alchemy Mastery
Transmutation Alchemy Mastery
Leap Attack

:D
Cryosite wrote on 2010-12-17 13:19

Lightning Magic Mastery.... then dunno. I'm assuming you're saying what skills to get to rk1 first? 'cause I plan to get all of them, in no particular order, at rkF/novice.
Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-12-17 16:36

Sword Mastery R5
Earth Alchemy R9
Leap Attack R9

And then I'll just slowly add them up.
soheikitsune wrote on 2010-12-17 16:42

Earth for my barrier spikes
Bow and xbow mastery for, well, my bows and xbows.

After that I guess whatever piques my interest.
gentrone wrote on 2010-12-17 16:59

Quote from Zid;249728:
Down Attack. <3 this skill in KR. Giants can WM -> Down Attack -> Smash.
Sword/G13 Magic Masteries
Bolt Composer. An underestimated skill, as I found out.

I feel it's not so important to rank, what are your views? Since rank F, you can combine bolts, which is the purpose of the skill. Spending 250+ AP in a skill that would only boost damage by 15% isn't worth it considering there are other choices (opportunity cost). Also, keep in mind that the 15%+ damage doesn't compound with elemental masteries because the fused bolt has no element by itself. I am not sure if it works with Bolt Mastery, but if it does then it would mean something.
Zeo wrote on 2010-12-17 18:10

Quote from gentrone;250946:
I feel it's not so important to rank, what are your views? Since rank F, you can combine bolts, which is the purpose of the skill. Spending 250+ AP in a skill that would only boost damage by 15% isn't worth it considering there are other choices (opportunity cost). Also, keep in mind that the 15%+ damage doesn't compound with elemental masteries because the fused bolt has no element by itself. I am not sure if it works with Bolt Mastery, but if it does then it would mean something.

I believed it will combine the damages with bolt mastery, and two of the elemental magic masteries.

So if you have.. for example.. r1 Bolt Composer, r1 Bolt Mastery, r1 Ice Magic Mastery, and r1 Fire Mastery. Your fused version of fire and ice will do 60% more damages.

Now combine 60% with 999 ints, you would be able to do 110% more damages. Making your fused bolts do 2.1 more damages.

I have tested this out in KR Test server, the element masteries does add the damages. This is kinda like saying that if you rank up Ice mastery, your water cannon should 15% more damage because techinally it is an ice element-type.
Zid wrote on 2010-12-17 18:16

Quote from gentrone;250946:
I feel it's not so important to rank, what are your views? Since rank F, you can combine bolts, which is the purpose of the skill. Spending 250+ AP in a skill that would only boost damage by 15% isn't worth it considering there are other choices (opportunity cost). Also, keep in mind that the 15%+ damage doesn't compound with elemental masteries because the fused bolt has no element by itself. I am not sure if it works with Bolt Mastery, but if it does then it would mean something.

That's exactly why though. You can probably do like 300+ dmg with Ice Lightning, and 15% means +45 per hit. 5 charges before starting something = +225, or 1725 per monster instead of 1500.

Take it as you will. I find this extra damage pretty useful. I'm not saying that it's a "need to rank" skill like say, Thunder or Blaze (on the contrary, this is one of those "When you have nothing in mind to rank" skills for many players). But then again, I wouldn't have the need to rank Sword Mastery rather than save the AP and effort for another skill.
jking012 wrote on 2010-12-17 18:19

Quote from gentrone;250946:
I feel it's not so important to rank, what are your views? Since rank F, you can combine bolts, which is the purpose of the skill. Spending 250+ AP in a skill that would only boost damage by 15% isn't worth it considering there are other choices (opportunity cost). Also, keep in mind that the 15%+ damage doesn't compound with elemental masteries because the fused bolt has no element by itself. I am not sure if it works with Bolt Mastery, but if it does then it would mean something.

I've read like in the next post and been told that, YES it does compound :/
gentrone wrote on 2010-12-17 22:53

Quote from Zeo;250968:
I believed it will combine the damages with bolt mastery, and two of the elemental magic masteries.

So if you have.. for example.. r1 Bolt Composer, r1 Bolt Mastery, r1 Ice Magic Mastery, and r1 Fire Mastery. Your fused version of fire and ice will do 60% more damages.

Now combine 60% with 999 ints, you would be able to do 110% more damages. Making your fused bolts do 2.1 more damages.

I have tested this out in KR Test server, the element masteries does add the damages. This is kinda like saying that if you rank up Ice mastery, your water cannon should 15% more damage because techinally it is an ice element-type.

I don't think they will stack but compound, much like wand upgrades and Mana Reduction Set now. See,

A) Rank 1 Bolt Mastery adds 15%
B) Rank 1 Fire Magic Mastery adds 15%
C) Rank 1 Ice Mastery adds 15%
D) Rank 1 Composer adds 15%

If they all improved damage for a fused bolt (which I doubt) formula would be:

(1.15)*(0.15)*(1.15B+1.15C)=

19.85% added damage for each bolt, because they would compound. Also, INT damage doesn't affect bolts like Adv Magic. Added damage simply is INT/20. So 999 INT would yield 50 extra damage, not 50% more. So a Fire+Ice bolt with capped INT would hit 290.

Quote from Zid;250972:
That's exactly why though. You can probably do like 300+ dmg with Ice Lightning, and 15% means +45 per hit. 5 charges before starting something = +225, or 1725 per monster instead of 1500.

Take it as you will. I find this extra damage pretty useful. I'm not saying that it's a "need to rank" skill like say, Thunder or Blaze (on the contrary, this is one of those "When you have nothing in mind to rank" skills for many players). But then again, I wouldn't have the need to rank Sword Mastery rather than save the AP and effort for another skill.

Exactly. Bolt Composer seems like a not-so-necessary skill.

Quote from jking012;250973:
I've read like in the next post and been told that, YES it does compound :/

Okay. My understanding is that it doesn't. I'll tell you why: because when fusing bolts now, the resulting bolt does not gain damage from Wand Upgrades (negative or positive), maybe that will change with G13? It would be great if it does, of course. I would be glad to see pics or a video showing a person with r1 Mastery and Composer.

Also, if it does compound, it would be wiser to rank the Masteries first because they affect 3 skills (Bolt, Adv Magic, and Elite Magic when they come out) and the outcome would be +15% damage for each bolt (or an overall of +15% damage for a fused bolt which would be better than ranking Bolt Composer because they cost almost the same AP and give the most benefits).
TropicalCat wrote on 2010-12-18 01:05

Alchemy water mastery > Alchemy fire mastery > alchemy wind mastery
and ima master them all
Zeo wrote on 2010-12-18 23:21

I afraid you're wrong, actually, Gent. It's 1% per 20 Int, not 1 damage per 20 Int in G13. And it does add the damages for regular bolts with Int. Like I said, I've tested it in KR Test server.

The formula for all 4 r1 masteries. I would do

(Bolt Mastery Rank) + (Bolt Composer Rank) + (Element Mastery Rank + Element Mastery Rank) + (Ints)

I did the calculations, and they adds up to 2.1x total damages for fused bolts, with all rank 1 masteries you have.
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-12-18 23:30

I would almost argue against Bolt Composer considering that the Trinity Staff boosts bolt damage by 15% at three charges and has far better versatility.
jking012 wrote on 2010-12-18 23:39

all I'm gonna say Gentrone is... Don't argue with people who play KR :/

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