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Navy wrote on 2010-12-17 20:57
What ever happened to
"At this time, I’ll ask you, ___ and you, ___, to face each other & take each other’s hands.
__, will you take ___ to be your wife, your partner in life and your one true love? Will you cherish her friendship and love her today, tomorrow and forever? Will you trust and honor her, laugh with her and cry with her? Will you be faithful through good times and bad, in sickness and in health as long as you both shall live?" ?
Marriage doesn't mean sh*t to anyone anymore and it pisses me off. You see people getting married and getting a divorce like it's nothing.
Is this really love or is it a false sense of security?
Or is it that you're trying to hide something from other people?
Such as being gay.
I've seen so many men marry women they don't love because they're gay and needed to be with a woman to keep their secret. So they sleep around with men behind their unsuspecting wife's back.
I find it pathetic that in our society we can't possibly accept that maybe two people of the same sex cannot possibly love each other but instead we find that it's 'wrong'.
And all of these teenagers who commit suicide lately for being gay, isnt that enough of a wake up call?
It's horrible to make someone feel like a monster because of who they love.
End of the f*cking story.
And that's my little rant.
What are your opinions on Marriage, love, and being gay?
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Adelynn wrote on 2010-12-17 21:08
Marriage should happen between two people who feel like they're committed to each-other enough to make it work. I think they both also need to feel ready, in a stable place in their life. I'm also going to say, they should love each other, because that should just be the obvious one..
Love is a hard thing to measure. Who loves who more? Who knows. At a certain point, a person knows they love someone "enough" for it to be what people think of when they think of relationships, and their friends will start to see it too.
Being Gay is totally fine with me. I understand why men would want to hide their sexuality, because of the way people treat them for it, but I think trying to hide it with marriage is wrong. Don't give someone false hopes and then crush them when they've finally figured out why you're going out with them, guys. Same goes for the girls, of course. Tricking someone to save your skin is not okay. >_<
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-12-17 21:09
There are both successful and unsuccessful marriages. Success meaning not having a divorce.
Well, many people can't accept homosexual because some book written by desert nomads who had a few deillusions said so.
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Skye wrote on 2010-12-17 21:17
Sometimes divorces are a necessary thing, but I'll just leave it at that.
The fact that gay people can't marry does upset me though, because they love others just as much as any heterosexual couple. As for "the Bible says it's a sin" bit, I just don't agree. It's stuff like that that really keeps me from believing in God. I mean, gay people are usually way nicer than straight people, and it's really ridiculous, especially because gay people have to take so much crap from straight people. Oh, but it's ok, because no matter how mean and nasty the straight people are, they'll go to heaven. Too bad for the gay people who have to go to hell. That's just wrong, and I hate it.
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Navy wrote on 2010-12-17 21:35
Quote from EndlessDreams;251078:
There are both successful and unsuccessful marriages. Success meaning not having a divorce.
Well, many people can't accept homosexual because some book written by desert nomads who had a few deillusions said so.
Quote from Skye;251086:
Sometimes divorces are a necessary thing, but I'll just leave it at that.
The fact that gay people can't marry does upset me though, because they love others just as much as any heterosexual couple. As for "the Bible says it's a sin" bit, I just don't agree. It's stuff like that that really keeps me from believing in God. I mean, gay people are usually way nicer than straight people, and it's really ridiculous, especially because gay people have to take so much crap from straight people. Oh, but it's ok, because no matter how mean and nasty the straight people are, they'll go to heaven. Too bad for the gay people who have to go to hell. That's just wrong, and I hate it.
I'm not very religious but I've read the bible time and time again because I find it interesting.
The new testament was written to free Christians of the Jewish law.
The two verse in Leviticus are included with this.
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
it is abomination."
Which Christians translate as it meaning it's wrong to replace a woman with a man.
HOWEVER.
the original Hebrew Leviticus that was translated revealed a third meaning to this.
We-et-zakar lo' tishkav mishkevey 'ishshah" [Lev 18:22 Hebrew, Latinized]
("And-with a-male NOT lie-down in beds-of a-woman") [Lev 18:22 literal translation]
Pretty much meaning that you're not allowed to have 3somes.
So, the Hebrew Leviticus 18:22 mentions: someone + a male + a woman; hence, a forbidden 3-way.
Another this is that
Old-Testament Literal Translation - . The infamous verse Leviticus 20:13, often used to condemn homosexuality, is about a married-man with another male, in the "marriage-bed" as with his wife. See the Latinized Greek for Leviticus 20:13 below:
Kai hos an koimEthE meta arsenos koitEn
gunaikos, bdelugma epoiEsan amphoteroi;
thanatousthwsan, enoichoi eisin." [Lev 20:13 in Greek Septuagint LXX].
The translation of the Greek term 'gunaikos' is interpreted to mean: wife. Hence, the verse actually forbids male-male adultery, pertaining only to a married man.
So if you wanted to go on religious terms the only real excuse you can have against gay people is that they had a 3some with a woman involved or if a husband cheated on his wife with another man. Of course that's by going on Jewish law, which being a Christian means that the religion was mainly involved in the new testament after Jesus was born, so the most of the Jewish law is no longer valid for Christians.
Extra bonus
The bible clearly states that Paul had orgys involving other men.
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Skye wrote on 2010-12-17 22:26
Quote from yayforhanna;251106:
I'm not very religious but I've read the bible time and time again because I find it interesting.
The new testament was written to free Christians of the Jewish law.
The two verse in Leviticus are included with this.
Which Christians translate as it meaning it's wrong to replace a woman with a man.
HOWEVER.
the original Hebrew Leviticus that was translated revealed a third meaning to this.
Pretty much meaning that you're not allowed to have 3somes.
Another this is that
So if you wanted to go on religious terms the only real excuse you can have against gay people is that they had a 3some with a woman involved or if a husband cheated on his wife with another man. Of course that's by going on Jewish law, which being a Christian means that the religion was mainly involved in the new testament after Jesus was born, so the most of the Jewish law is no longer valid for Christians.
Extra bonus
The bible clearly states that Paul had orgys involving other men.
You're, like, awesome right now.
But you know 99.9% people wouldn't go for this.
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Navy wrote on 2010-12-17 22:59
Quote from Skye;251147:
You're, like, awesome right now.
But you know 99.9% people wouldn't go for this.
Yeah because they live in fairy tale land they don't wanna realize they add things into the bible that arent even there
"secret meanings"
they dont want to admit the dun goof'd.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-12-17 23:03
Was this in The Library before?
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Navy wrote on 2010-12-17 23:17
Quote from Phunkie;251186:
Was this in The Library before?
pardon? o.o
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-12-17 23:22
Never mind. I thought it was in The Library sub-forum before. lmao
I'll add my opinion soon.
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Tedio wrote on 2010-12-17 23:44
I dont care much for marriage in general. I dont need my love to be verified.
Not gonna touch the whole gay thing, though.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-12-17 23:59
Marriage isn't about verifying your love.
You can love someone and get married or not. Usually when people wanna form a family, they get married, since marriage is the foundation for a family. Husband, wives, kids.
Plus, you get so many benefits out of marriage, for your kids, for yourself.
That's why people get married. Also, for the fancy titles. Calling someone your husband or your wife, that's amazing. It's no longer a boyfriend or girlfriend. It's a fiancee, then it's a spouse. It sounds nice. Makes it finally official.
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Kansi wrote on 2010-12-18 00:04
Well this is where dating comes in right? Dating another person is to see if you two are compatible and is pretty much trial runs before marriage. If you rush to get married things don't always work out positively. That's why some people date and get engaged for years.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-12-18 00:08
Also, marrying someone to hide your sexuality is a big no-no. You'll have future problems with your relationship if you hide something like that. Your partner might blame herself when she doesn't feel like you're attracted to her anymore.
Lying is bad in general. Why pretend? Sometimes it's hard to come out of the closet, but you should never bring that stress onto another person. If you can't come out, then don't. But don't bring someone's joy and happiness down with yours.
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Navy wrote on 2010-12-18 00:32
Quote from Phunkie;251254:
Also, marrying someone to hide your sexuality is a big no-no. You'll have future problems with your relationship if you hide something like that. Your partner might blame herself when she doesn't feel like you're attracted to her anymore.
Lying is bad in general. Why pretend? Sometimes it's hard to come out of the closet, but you should never bring that stress onto another person. If you can't come out, then don't. But don't bring someone's joy and happiness down with yours.
Imagine how bad it would feel to have your spouse cheat on you, not only that but with another man/woman and that they only married you to hide their sexuality.