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Navy wrote on 2010-12-21 00:56
Trying to decide if I should ego my blue lightning wand
or enchant + upgrade
pros and cons.
gogogogo
if enchanting and upgrade
which enchants and which upgrades.
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Bankai231 wrote on 2010-12-21 01:25
Upgrade it. Wand Egos are terrible.
Upgrade it and you can get Damage or less casting time. Plus enchants can give you mp and or more damage.
Wand egos (not a pro on wand egos) give little boost to damage and they give chain casting which is terrible for lightning.
Although if I rember correctly you are a mage/alch so you dont have many egos to choose from. You could always ego a bow for later range skills but I dont know your current range skills.
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Zid wrote on 2010-12-21 01:26
Ego is a pretty bad idea as a wand.
Wizard and Will O' Wisp enchants, try to aim for 4/5 upgrades of MP reduction, and stay there..
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Meikeru wrote on 2010-12-21 01:56
I heard that a fire wand can make a decent ego, but other than that nothing else really.
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GlyphZero wrote on 2010-12-21 02:00
upgrade a lightning wand for reduced casting cost, you can go +1 cc on it for double/multi aggro control but it loses effectiveness in higher SMs and really you'd be thundering off it. spamming the bolt spells seems to beat the poop out of dura. as to ego wands, i have an ego fire wand and really there isn't anything that can replace it. it is cc +4 for normal mp cost(mind you you are going to pay for 5 charges in 2 seconds) and when i run out of mp i hardly feel bad when i smash with all that splash. if lightning didn't lose effectiveness on fewer targets (a la; pay for 5 charges but only have one target) that'd probably be a more wise ego for wm->thunder. for ice wands... that's one of those things you don't get to see unless you really invest in it. all wands boost the BOLT damage notably. i couldn't say for sure if the ice casting rules for lesser cost for more charges applies and even then if you did have a pimp ice wand ego you could probably pump out 245 damage base cc +4, oh and ice wand has the highest crit of ego wands. probably due to their decreased return on damage enchants. hmmmm... anyway, upgraded lightning wand totally.
Edit: after seeing lower post i'd like to mention that in order to see any bonus to critical damge through the special upgrades you'd need to crit first. 5% on fire wand, 10% on pheonix, 15% on base ego fire wand. i hit 1092 non crit damage on my firewand as is, 34 str 30 rest, 31 soc. with respect to g13, an ego wand anything would only become more powerful(% increases joy).
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Kaeporo wrote on 2010-12-21 02:00
Spirit wands are terrible. The only exception can be made for spirit fire wands which allow players to efficiently chaincast Firebolt. However, the lost potential in other aspects of combat which actually need the added damage (melee/range) is pretty immense, not to mention the fact that bolt magic has limited potential in later parts of the game where players must be able to handle multiagro.
In my opinion, even spirit fire wands are outclassed in Generation 13 with the advent of artisan upgrades which allow players to significant boost critical damage.
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gentrone wrote on 2010-12-21 02:14
The question is, what do you want it for?
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Navy wrote on 2010-12-21 02:29
Quote from gentrone;254922:
The question is, what do you want it for?
I'm ranking lightning bolt and thunder as soon as I can get the last page I need (4)
and thats about all I'm ranking for now. :/
mostly for spamming rafting.
my crash shot is r6 which it's like horrible ap wise
and I heard thunder's better so ya.
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Justified wrote on 2010-12-21 02:42
Quote from yayforhanna;254943:
mostly for spamming rafting.
150 Max (r1 LB) + 57 (25 Str Ego) + 30 (300 Int) = 237 damage.
Hobgoblins on the river have between 100-300 HP, which means you can easily pick them off in about 2 shots, or 50MP.
Not as great as Thunder, but considering you can save yourself ~400 AP, it's something to consider.
It only costs 8 more mana and takes 0.5 more seconds.
Wand Egos are extremely useful for bolt magic, it's just that bolt magic is pretty weak in general. There are still places where it can shine though, and G13 provides very high boosts to bolts at the trade-off of some intermediate magic nerfs.
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gentrone wrote on 2010-12-21 02:43
Oh, well, if it is for spamming then upgrade it for -MP consumption. However, you'd be better off with a Crystal Lightning Wand because it's more efficient in the river.
I would like to point out that once you reach a high Thunder rank, then you should consider egoing a Lightning Wand. It should not be used that often, but with high Str (30+), it deals noticeably more damage than a regular wand. My advice is that you don't use the upgraded wand for spamming bolt magic because it kills dura.
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Sunureu13 wrote on 2010-12-21 05:43
Quote from gentrone;254977:
Oh, well, if it is for spamming then upgrade it for -MP consumption. However, you'd be better off with a Crystal Lightning Wand because it's more efficient in the river.
I would like to point out that once you reach a high Thunder rank, then you should consider egoing a Lightning Wand. It should not be used that often, but with high Str (30+), it deals noticeably more damage than a regular wand. My advice is that you don't use the upgraded wand for spamming bolt magic because it kills dura.
Don't listen to this guy. Ego wands are terrible, as 90% of the rest of the thread said. Always use an upgraded wand if you plan on killing stuff. Dura/repair should not be an issue for you, especially if you're doing it enough to spam MP pots. If you can afford those, you can afford repairs, even if it's at Lassar.
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gentrone wrote on 2010-12-21 06:04
Because 90% of this thread says something, that makes it true? Give me a break... that is so fallacious. I answered the question accurately and I stated she would be better off using an upgraded wand in the beginning, and THEN she should CONSIDER making an ego wand.
FYI, damage from the ego wand directly transfers to the the spell. Now think, how many charges does a spell have? Now think, how many targets does it hit? Now think of a critical. Now think of G13 INT formula. Now go watch some videos and do some research before saying "don't listen to this guy".
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Kaeporo wrote on 2010-12-21 06:05
Quote from gentrone;255241:
Because 90% of this thread says something, that makes it true? Give me a break... that is so fallacious. I answered the question accurately and I stated she would be better off using an upgraded wand in the beginning, and THEN she should CONSIDER making an ego wand.
FYI, damage from the ego wand directly transfers to the the spell. Now think, how many charges does a spell have? Now think, how many targets does it hit? Now think of a critical. Now think of G13 INT formula. Think of the Artisan crit upgrade. Now go watch some videos and do some research before saying "don't listen to this guy".
In this case, yes.
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gentrone wrote on 2010-12-21 06:07
Whatever, Kaeporo. You don't know anything about magic, so keep your opinions for range-related threads.
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Sunureu13 wrote on 2010-12-21 06:13
butt-hurt much?
For realsies though, ego wands suck.
p.s. You mentioned artisan crit upgrade. Sounds like you're not talking about an ego wand now ;)