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babohtea wrote on 2010-12-21 04:41
Thousand Needles 0: .064*1.27*1.3 = .106
Thousand Needles 1: .080*1.27*1.3 = .132
Thousand Needles 2: .096*1.27*1.3 = .158
Shockwave: .072*1.27*1.48 = .135
Gliding Fury: .134*1.22 = .163
Lightning Fury: .092*1.18 = .108
Double Crescent: 2*.04*1.27*1.3 = .132
Looking at those numbers, I have a couple of questions.
1. Why don't Lanns use the shockwave more? It seems to very decent damage at a very safe distance away. If you use both, you'll get the damage of TWO double crescents. Also, supposedly it can also activate gliding fury, so you don't lose out on the crit chance. WHAT'S NOT TO LOVE HERE?
2. Honestly, I'm not seeing huge DPS here. Lann is supposed to be the speedy stabby DPS guy, right? How come it doesn't seem like he's doing more damage? In many of the future RAIDS, I see Lanns reduced to spamming needles, without having enough time to safely glide or even do the shockwave. And Fiona's double blossom deals as much damage as a Needles+Shockwave, but is much more spammable. The W.ATK stats should be roughly the same, so the percentages should be comparable. Unless I'm missing something here.
(Fiona's Double Blossom: (.092+.048)*1.3*1.33 = .247)
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Kueh wrote on 2010-12-21 05:11
I don't know what any of those numbers are. Are they percentiles?
People prefer to use double crescent because of the maneuverability.
But lots of people use the shockwave too.
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babohtea wrote on 2010-12-21 05:16
Quote from Whyrainfalls;255184:
I don't know what any of those numbers are. Are they percentiles?
People prefer to use double crescent because of the maneuverability.
But lots of people use the shockwave too.
Those are percentiles. Think of your W.ATK and then multiply it by those numbers. The actual damage calculations are more complicated than that, but if we're just comparing classes/skills side by side, this is proportional to how much damage they would do.
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Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-12-21 05:27
Where did you get those numbers?
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Kueh wrote on 2010-12-21 05:28
Quote from babohtea;255193:
this is proportional to how much damage they would do.
proportional to what?
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babohtea wrote on 2010-12-21 05:54
Quote from Whyrainfalls;255212:
proportional to what?
to each other. For example, the numbers I have are not EXACT numbers of how much damage it would do to a monster, because that would be affected by the monsters defense. The idea is that the defense affects all attacks equally, so, in the end, you can pretty much take a higher number here as being a more damaging skill.
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xJac wrote on 2010-12-21 06:05
i believe shockwave does not get benefit from the # of hits you have in thousand needles. I am going to test this on a boss to verify it.
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Kueh wrote on 2010-12-21 06:16
I'm pretty sure that percentiles are applied to the character's attack. So it's not really useful to compare between different characters.
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xJac wrote on 2010-12-21 06:18
Thousand Needles 0: .064*1.27*1.3 = .106
Thousand Needles 1: .080*1.27*1.3 = .132
Thousand Needles 2: .096*1.27*1.3 = .158
Shockwave: .072*1.27*1.48 = .135
Gliding Fury: .134*1.22 = .163
Lightning Fury: .092*1.18 = .108
Double Crescent: 2*.04*1.27*1.3 = .132
You have .132 for double crescent, and .135 for shockwave. But noticed how long you will have to pull off the shockwave, and how fast you can pull off double crescent.
On top of that. Twin Edge 450 = .032*1.3 = .04 for the first hit, and .064*1.3 = 0.08 for the second hit. That's .12 combined, with 2 chances to crit gliding fury. In addition to that, less stam cost and less time to pull off.
As for the dps go, Lann's major dps comes from gliding fury. In addition, they have the fastest attack animation. The numbers only meant damage per hit or per smash, doesn't mean damage per second.
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Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-12-21 11:15
Quote from Whyrainfalls;255256:
I'm pretty sure that percentiles are applied to the character's attack. So it's not really useful to compare between different characters.
Even if different Lanns wanted to test these out, and had similar ranks, be it level 30 or level 60, the attacks would be consistent with these percentiles, with the strongest attacks remaining the strongest attacks.
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babohtea wrote on 2010-12-21 17:54
Quote from Andy-Buddy;255459:
Even if different Lanns wanted to test these out, and had similar ranks, be it level 30 or level 60, the attacks would be consistent with these percentiles, with the strongest attacks remaining the strongest attacks.
Also, same level Fionas/Lanns have roughly the same W.ATK as well.
Needles+Shockwave is definitely safer. However, gilding fury + LLLR is the best DPS if you can pull it off?
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newpants wrote on 2010-12-22 07:17
I was under the assumption that DC to gliding to lightning was the most dps. Not sure how long the animations for LLLR and LLLLR are, but I'm willing to bet it's like comparing 2 or 3 seconds to 5-8 seconds.
It'd probably be helpful if there were the timing of each attack animation next to each attack listed, although lightning fury's cast time gets shortened with each rank..