The "Same-Sex Marriage" Debate.

• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-05 08:53

  Quote from Peter;28786:

  I said laws are fair because they apply to everyone. How does "God hates fags" websites prove that laws don't apply to everyone?

  
  
  I posted all those links (and that picture, which relates to the Westboro Baptist Church) as evidence of people and governments spreading wrong messages about the gay community. It's hate, in different forms, being spread around the world.
  
  That's why I say it's not fair.
  
  The last one may not necessarily involve the law as much as it involves religion, but it's still amazing as how crazy some folks can be. And all of those three are most likely influenced by religion.
  
  
  Don't Ask, Don't Tell prevents gay people serving in the armed forces from engaging in homosexual acts or talking about their gay relationships because:
  
  

  It would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.

  
  
  If that's not the biggest BS you've ever heard, then I dunno what is.
  
  
  

  Quote from Xiyamae;28787:

  I don't see what's wrong with people other than the fact they don't understand what others feel when they like people of the same sex.

  
  
  :)
• Syrphid wrote on 2010-05-05 08:59

  Quote from Peter;28786:

  I said laws are fair because they apply to everyone. How does "God hates fags" websites prove that laws don't apply to everyone?

  
  
  The rules of mabination
  1) If your username is Peter, you may only post once every 36 hours, you have 0 rep power forever, and no one will be disciplined for insulting you.
  2) If your username is not Peter, you can do whatever you want.
  
  This is "fair", in that the same rules apply to everyone. But is it fair (ie, justified)?
• Peter wrote on 2010-05-05 09:16

  Quote from Syrphid;28794:

  The rules of mabination
  1) If your username is Peter, you may only post once every 36 hours, you have 0 rep power forever, and no one will be disciplined for insulting you.
  2) If your username is not Peter, you can do whatever you want.
  
  This is "fair", in that the same rules apply to everyone. But is it fair (ie, justified)?

  
  
  Um, in your case, the same rules don't apply to everyone. What are you saying? O.o
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-05 09:20

  Quote from Peter;28796:

  Um, in your case, the same rules don't apply to everyone. What are you saying? O.o

  
  
  People who talk about their heterosexual relationships do not get discharged from the US military.
  
  People who engage in heterosexual relationships do not get executed in Iran.
  
  Those laws apply to everyone, yes. But only affect gay people or people engaging in gay sexual relationships. If you are none of the above, you are exempt.
  
  That's discrimination. It's not fair, it's wrong.
  
  
  What are you trying to say? Syrphid's analogy was right on.
• Peter wrote on 2010-05-05 09:50

  Quote from Phunkie;28797:

  People who talk about their heterosexual relationships do not get discharged from the US military.
  
  People who engage in heterosexual relationships do not get executed in Iran.
  
  Those laws apply to everyone, yes. But only affect gay people or people engaging in gay sexual relationships. If you are none of the above, you are exempt.
  
  That's discrimination. It's not fair, it's wrong.
  
  
  What are you trying to say? Syrphid's analogy was right on.

  
  
  What's considered discriminating and wrong to you is not the same beliefs as everyone else. You cannot generalize statements, simply arguing "that's wrong." The way I see it, there can never be a debate over morals, at least not over a forum or in a conversation. People reason based on their own morals and thus cannot be convinced of the other. Prop 8 was voted yes by a majority whose morals are similar. It is sheer number of people with different morals that counts here.
• Syrphid wrote on 2010-05-05 10:00

  Quote from Peter;28802:

  What's considered discriminating and wrong to you is not the same beliefs as everyone else. You cannot generalize statements, simply arguing "that's wrong." The way I see it, there can never be a debate over morals, at least not over a forum or in a conversation. People reason based on their own morals and thus cannot be convinced of the other. Prop 8 was voted yes by a majority whose morals are similar. It is sheer number of people with different morals that counts here.

  
  
  In your opinion, where do people draw their morals from? What is the purpose of morality?
• Justified wrote on 2010-05-05 10:05

  Quote from Peter;28764:

  How are you to argue against the Bible that many people have long accepted it as a basis for their morals for centuries?

  
  

  Quote from Peter;28802:

  Prop 8 was voted yes by a majority whose morals are similar. It is sheer number of people with different morals that counts here.

  
  
  Fallacies! Appeal to tradition and appeal to majority! Get them away! D:
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-05 10:09

  Quote from Peter;28802:

  What's considered discriminating and wrong to you is not the same beliefs as everyone else. You cannot generalize statements, simply arguing "that's wrong." The way I see it, there can never be a debate over morals, at least not over a forum or in a conversation. People reason based on their own morals and thus cannot be convinced of the other. Prop 8 was voted yes by a majority whose morals are similar. It is sheer number of people with different morals that counts here.

  
  
  You don't think killing gay people is wrong? Or that DADT is a form of discrimination? Do you think refusing to give a job to a gay person is not discrimination also?
  
  Just because the majority voted for it does not make it right. Racial segregation a few decades ago, for example.
  
  Also, just because a government passes a law does not make the law right, like the Arizona Immigration Law that was passed recently. It encourages racial profiling, which I'm completely against.
  
  
  Prop 8 is wrong. Our Constitution is all about expanding liberties to people, not taking them away from some certain groups.
  
  Why can't I enjoy the same rights you do? Why is it wrong to be gay? So wrong that you apparently won't grant me your same rights.
  
  I bleed, I breathe, I eat, I sleep. I take craps like you do.
  
  I want to get married. I want to have kids (through adoption or not) and form my own family.
  
  
  What is it about my sexual preference that sets me so apart from you?
  
  Why am I not your equal?
• Jean wrote on 2010-05-16 21:17
  I consider myself to be a straight man. I think same-sex marriage is ALL GO! Everybody's got their own sick, twisted sexual fantasies that they don't tell other people about. I doubt a bit of homosexual romance is dreadful compared to the things that go on in most people's minds.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-16 21:29
  Sir, I like you. :)
• Jean wrote on 2010-05-16 21:40
  Me? :D *doesn't know how to check replies on this forums*
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-16 21:49

  Quote from Jean;37261:

  Me? :D *doesn't know how to check replies on this forums*

  
  
  Yeah, you! :) Sorry, I didn't quote ya. haha
  
  I might sig what you said. It made me lol.
• Jean wrote on 2010-05-16 21:51

  Quote from Phunkie;37270:

  Yeah, you! :) Sorry, I didn't quote ya. haha
  
  I might sig what you said. It made me lol.

  
  
  I'd be flattered! :D Especially for one of my first posts...
• Drifter wrote on 2010-05-16 22:29
  Oh snap?!
  A wild Jean appears ._.
• Jean wrote on 2010-05-16 22:47

  Quote from Drifter;37310:

  Oh snap?!
  A wild Jean appears ._.

  
  
  :awesome: Yes!