Battle For Taillteann I/II vs Fomor Commander I/II

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Yanm wrote on 2010-05-04 00:00

Here I am again. This time, my question...err poll is about some Shadow Missions. Now, I personally prefer to do Fomor Commander II over Battle For Taillltean. However, my guildies complain that Fomor Commander *takes to long* and Battle for Taillteann is faster/easier or what not. The faster part might slightly be true, but I like the Commander missions better. As far as the *too slow part* I found a solution to that: Crag Cow. Seriously, just do Crag Cow basic, collect arat berrys (Make sure they reveal switches! I've been fooled by some that don't and felt pretty stupid D:) and have your friends do the same, then split up and proceed to own the mission. Anyway, that's my solution to it and while Battle might seem easier, 10k/15k gold is tempting each and every run, Int/adv respectively. So I want to hear the nations opinion: Which in your opinion is better to do?

Second question. Apparently, my friend doesn't understand something pretty common in lots of MMO's. He argues that running Fomor Commander II in Adv is better than in Int. I tell him that in a lot of mmo's, kill-speed matters over monster exp, and Mabinogi is no different. However, he argues that every monster in Fomor Commander II Adv=Intermediates exp >.>. Kill-speed matters more.....(Take it from me, from when I played Flyff and Rappelz. Example: To test kill-speed my 66 Blade I had, I killed Greemongs for 5 minutes, then carrier bombs for 5 minutes. Turns out, I got better exp over time when I killed the mongs, so I stuck with them). Do you guys think it's better to do Adv over Int? Also, Adv would probably take us......3-5 minutes longer to do than Int.
Justified wrote on 2010-05-04 00:10

Redirect go!

I prefer Fomor Commander over Battle. Rewards are better and the Battle missions are pretty lame.
Also, the speed thing is true. I even have an entire section about that.
bebepanales wrote on 2010-05-04 01:08

commander 2 has best reward. you dont need many people and can be soloe'd if you dont have anyone. love it :3
EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-05-04 01:13

If the rewards in Advance is much better, than doing Advance seems better. I didn't look at the rewards, nor do I do these missions.
Drago wrote on 2010-05-04 12:24

Well commander 2 is better but i prefer spamming adv shadow warrior its bout 10k exp a min if your fast enough <3
Archibald wrote on 2010-05-04 12:33

I prefer the hard versions but its hard to find a team to work with.

Battle of tail 2 used to be the best solo till server was sped up. Commander 1 is easiest.
Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-05-04 16:42

How do you all deal with Commander II advance missions?

Seriously, I was looking into that for ancient a while back, and I figured magnum would be nice for this mission. I can't stand the ice mines.
Archibald wrote on 2010-05-04 17:51

That is why magic is better than range (personal opinion). Magic can handle Multi-aggro and is able to deal long range damage at same time. Although when you get that new splash damage skill for range on g12 that might change. In commander 2 All it takes is r1 Thunder or Icespear and maybe a little pet play (rarely needed) to handle the archers/other multiaggros. Ideally I would like to get max party and just have each of us solo rooms and meet in center. But finding 3-4 people with top notch skills is hard to find.
Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-05-04 18:00

Quote from Archibald;28122:
That is why magic is better than range (personal opinion). Magic can handle Multi-aggro and is able to deal long range damage at same time. Although when you get that new splash damage skill for range on g12 that might change. In commander 2 All it takes is r1 Thunder or Icespear and maybe a little pet play (rarely needed) to handle the archers/other multiaggros. Ideally I would like to get max party and just have each of us solo rooms and meet in center. But finding 3-4 people with top notch skills is hard to find.

I understand now, thanks.

I'll work on magic much later if I ever get to it, since most missions for leveling require melee skills more.
EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-05-04 18:27

Was this Battle or Fomor Commander?

[video=youtube;dACqQGm2e3E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dACqQGm2e3E[/video]
Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-05-04 18:29

Quote from EndlessDreams;28143:
Was this Battle or Fomor Commander?

[video=youtube;dACqQGm2e3E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dACqQGm2e3E[/video]

Most probably Battle.

I realised that I made a mistake when I saw the person did not encounter ice mines. Commander II is the one with Ice Mines.
Phanterz wrote on 2010-05-04 20:24

Quote from EndlessDreams;28143:
Was this Battle or Fomor Commander?

[video=youtube;dACqQGm2e3E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dACqQGm2e3E[/video]

Battle. It's the pre-nerfed, old monster AI >_<

Commander has no ice mines. Battle has the mines, just the person knew where all of them were.
Yanm wrote on 2010-05-04 21:55

Quote from EndlessDreams;27546:
If the rewards in Advance is much better, than doing Advance seems better. I didn't look at the rewards, nor do I do these missions.

Well, even if the rewards are better, kill speed is more important. An example would be when me and my Elf friend did Stones of Sliab Cuilin Adv. We completed it in less than 5 minutes. 27k exp in that time and we're able to do Fomor Commander I in about 10 minutes on Adv anyway, which is 54k exp. We could get that in SOSC. That's an example of kill speed vs more exp. But also, since you don't know much about the missions themselves:

Battle for Taillteann is one of the invasion missions, where you have to go around Barrier Spikes and Ice mines and kill the monsters. I believe battle for taillteann II is the prefered one, as it's straightforward, and only has Shadow Archers and lancers, but those archers are the strong, kinda tankable type. The rewards are as follows:

14800 EXP, 4800g (Basic)
26639 EXP, 6719g (Intermediate)
44400 EXP, 9600g (Advanced)
74000 EXP, 14400g (Hard)

Also, the boss is of course the Shadow Commander, along with strong Shadow Fighters, Archers, and Heavy armor Lancers, the latter which also spawn with the archers before the boss. Also, Battle II has 25 minute limit and I has 40 minute limit.

Fomor Commander missions are very similar to Defeat The Shadow Warrior, as they are switch based, and have 8 switches. However, after you defeat the switch spawns, Erg of Darkness occurs, which respawns 8 more in the area. After you clear them, you can fight the boss, which is another Shadow Commander, along with some Shadow Warriors in II and only the Commander in I. The rewards are as follows:

Defeat Fomor Commander I, which is for 2 people
18000 EXP, 3100g (Basic)
32399 EXP, 4339g (Intermediate)
54000 EXP, 6200g (Advanced)
90000 EXP, 9300g (Hard)
This mission has weaker monsters than II does, and they're weaker than Battle for Taillteann mobs.

Defeat Fomor Commander II, which is for 3(and my personal favorite mission)
21000 EXP, 7500g (Basic)
37799 EXP, 10499g (Intermediate)
63000 EXP, 15000g (Advanced)
105000 EXP, 22500g (Hard)
This mission has the same mobs as I, but they're stronger. The Lancers are the same strength as Battle, but the archers are weaker, along with the fighters. This mission also has Shadow Warrior spawns, and grumbills, the brown kind to be exact. One last thing is the spawns change during Erg of Darkness. Before the Erg, you'll often face 3 grumbills, 4 archers, 4 lancers, 2 fighters with armor and 2 without, and 2 lancers and 2 fighters without armor per switch for II. After the Erg however, you face 4 grumbills, 3 warriors, 1 warrior and 4 armor fighters, 6 archers, 6 lancers, or 3 archers and lancers. The spawns are a bit similar for I as well, but with weaker mobs and less spawns. Battle is more about exp, but Fomor Commander can give more and more money(10k and 15k for Int and Adv Commander II :D), but may take awhile, UNLESS you and your friends prepare. Prepare for Commander by doing Crag Cow and getting Arat Berrys (Make sure the berrys reveal hidden objects and switches and not monsters) then splitting up and conquering the switches.
Cookies wrote on 2010-05-04 22:02

Quote from Yogurticecream;28099:
How do you all deal with Commander II advance missions?

Seriously, I was looking into that for ancient a while back, and I figured magnum would be nice for this mission. I can't stand the ice mines.

Just bring a L-Rod for the ice mines :c
EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-05-04 22:05

Quote from Yanm;28308:
Well, even if the rewards are better, kill speed is more important.

Kill speed is only important if you value experience over rewards.

By rewards, I mean like potential Darkness Cylinder or something like that, not the exp/gold reward.
You were probably interpret my mentioning of "rewards" for that instead of the rare item drops at the end of certain missions.

Also, I have no problem killing hard mode monsters at all, although that is my own problem... or lack of it.

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