Which skill is hardest to rank: Windmill or Refine?

• Katsuro wrote on 2011-01-01 18:20
  Right now I'm working on both, but I want to get rid of the hardest ones first....
  
  So in your own opinion which skill was the hardest to rank:
  
  Windmill or Refine?
• Sunureu13 wrote on 2011-01-01 18:21
  Windmill just requires grinding. If you're willing to grind for hours, then it's easy.
  
  Refine requires fails. High dex is harder to lower than high CP.
  
  I'd say refine.
• Time wrote on 2011-01-01 18:21
  Depends on what you like to do I think....Refine is annoying, you have to gather materials and train fails, but windmill is more of an active grind.....
• abc33kr wrote on 2011-01-01 18:26
  When G13 comes out, Refine will definitely be harder than windmill cuz windmill get 2x training bonus if you choose knight.
  
  So I would say go do refine first.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-01-01 18:29
  Depends on if you have money, high/low dex/production mastery, and/or if you are a giant. Giant has a really easy WM. If you have money, you can do refine through buying fragments and re-selling them as ingots.
• woohoohelloppl wrote on 2011-01-01 18:40
  You can just buy your way through Refine, so Windmill.
• Crimmy wrote on 2011-01-01 20:24
  Refine if you're a giant.
  
  Windmill if you're an elf or human.
• Haydrian wrote on 2011-01-01 20:31
  Imho....
  
  Neither. They just take time (patience) but it's not actually hard in any way.
  
  Instead...
  Support Shot.
• radionoise wrote on 2011-01-01 20:33
  Both are pretty easy if you have the means. Refine is cheap and you can buy your way through, while Windmill lets you use -CP gear. Both should be r1 in ~4 days (even elf Windmill) if you have the money or the gear.
  
  Without CP gear or buying ores, they're still equally matched in terms of work involved... the only difference being that one lets you play around in the sand of a sunny beach, while the other confines you to eternally breakdancing with the undead.
• Bankai231 wrote on 2011-01-02 18:20
  Refine. 126 dex at rC. Im a little stuck with -dex.
  
  Go refine. Like Sunu said its only grinding and refine dosent even give that much cp.
• Intex wrote on 2011-01-02 20:49
  I finished refine in one day on my elf and two days on my human (Rank F to 1). You can pretty much buy the skill. Windmill took a lot more time and effort going through zombie after zombie.
• Lemon wrote on 2011-01-02 21:09
  Windmill :no!:
• Ryoko wrote on 2011-01-02 21:52
  Refine = Buy everything, or grind Metallurgy to R1. Add the Scarecrow set and the Production Failure Potion.
  Windmill= Add the -CP equips and just go endless hours grinding.
  But I'd say WM, harder than Refine. But since it doesn't add so much CP, doing whichever first works. :D
• krpr wrote on 2011-01-02 22:11
  They're both hard if you're stupid to rank them in inappropriate times
  WM: If you're stupid and raised other skills other than wm 1st, your cp will be too high and you'll suffer from lack of easy kills
  Refining: If you're stupid to raise your dex/production mastery before you're done with refining
  
  WM can be ridiculously easy with -CP stuff and refining can be ridiculously easy if you're a human and already did g2 (mythril mine) and have a metallurgy slave. Since its easier to make a metallurgy slave and do g2 than getting a good -CP equip (cub/jackal)
  refining is easier than wm
• bebepanales wrote on 2011-01-05 07:34
  wm is harder and a lot more frustrating. i almost quit mabi cuz of that.
  for refine, i did all my own metallurgy up till rank 2, i believe. and back then ores were a lot more expensive than they are now. plus it takes a lot less ap's, so it's not as frustrating.