Alchemy Balance

• Zid wrote on 2011-01-01 18:42
  Let's be honest here: the more true statement is...
  
  "Alchemy damage is not affected by stats."
  
  With that out of the way, I know for a fact Will, Luck, and the Cylinder affect the overall Critical rate for Alchemy. Damage modifier from Cylinder depends on its attribute (Water, Fire, etc).
  
  However, I've been hearing mixed answers as to whether or not Dexterity affects Alchemy Balance. :T_T: I need to know so I can decide whether or not to raise Dexterity for a new KR test character.
  
  

  • On one side, I've been told that Dexterity affects Balance for everything except Magic.

  
  
  

  • The other argument is that Dexterity only affects Melee and Ranged, because "that makes more sense". Alchemy Balance, rather, is entirely dependent on the Cylinder's Balance and Alchemy Mastery. Which strikes me as unbelievable because every pre-G13 Cylinders have 15% Balance, and the G13 Cylinders have 20% Balance.

  
  
  

  • And then a couple just told me Alchemy Balance is 80%/100%, no matter what.

  
  
  Which is correct? All of them never showed their evidence either, if that helps.
• Username wrote on 2011-01-01 19:04
  Dexterity does effect balance, as the Cylinders Balance. Though its hard to determine alchemy balance due to varrying numbers.
  I wonder if alchemy balance effects Heatbuster in any way, because i see huge gaps in damage when i preform it.
  
  I think awnser #1 is more right.
  I would like to know if Alchemy Balance, is based on a different hidden balance, or if it accounts towards Cylinder Balance.
  Alchemy Mastery** Also doesn't give balance. I'd know if it did.
• Zid wrote on 2011-01-01 19:19

  Quote from Username;272380:

  Dexterity does effect balance, as the Cylinders Balance. Though its hard to determine alchemy balance due to varrying numbers.
  I wonder if alchemy balance effects Heatbuster in any way, because i see huge gaps in damage when i preform it.
  
  I think awnser #1 is more right.

  
  
  Hmm, okay. Think I'll just speed rank Refining and Weaving (except for r8, no avoiding non-leather requirements for that).
  
  

  Quote from Username;272380:

  I would like to know if Alchemy Balance, is based on a different hidden balance, or if it accounts towards Cylinder Balance.

  
  
  Like Magic? Would this mean 100% Balance is possible?
  
  

  Quote from Username;272380:

  Alchemy Mastery** Also doesn't give balance. I'd know if it did.

  
  
  Oh, right, I should have put that in, but since you answered that, good to know!
• Kenero wrote on 2011-01-01 19:31
  Water Cannon is affected by distance, I think.
• radionoise wrote on 2011-01-01 19:36
  I always wondered about Alchemy balance as well... Couldn't it be possible to use a character with 0 dex, rank F Alchemy Mastery and ~r9+ of an offensive skill that is not Water Cannon and test that out?
  
  Alternatively, there's a few -balance enchants, it might be possible use those and see if it makes any difference? I honestly doubt dexterity would play a factor, though, I'm guessing cylinder balance only affects melee attacks with a cylinder and there's a different formula involved...
  
  Also, the other three combat masteries give +1 balance per rank, so it is possible that either Alchemy Mastery adds +15% balance overall, or that balance itself is not accounted for in Alchemy and therefore not added.
• Zid wrote on 2011-01-01 20:52

  Quote from radionoise;272414:

  I always wondered about Alchemy balance as well... Couldn't it be possible to use a character with 0 dex, rank F Alchemy Mastery and ~r9+ of an offensive skill that is not Water Cannon and test that out?
  
  Alternatively, there's a few -balance enchants, it might be possible use those and see if it makes any difference? I honestly doubt dexterity would play a factor, though, I'm guessing cylinder balance only affects melee attacks with a cylinder and there's a different formula involved...
  
  Also, the other three combat masteries give +1 balance per rank, so it is possible that either Alchemy Mastery adds +15% balance overall, or that balance itself is not accounted for in Alchemy and therefore not added.

  
  
  I'll probably try this out later on today with my new character.
  
  Fresh off the bat and has about 30-40 Dex with rB Water Cannon.
• radionoise wrote on 2011-01-01 20:55

  Quote from Zid;272491:

  I'll probably try this out later on today with my new character.
  
  Fresh off the bat and has about 30-40 Dex with rB Water Cannon.

  
  
  Water Cannon has very little min-max gap, so I think it might make it harder for you to gauge the difference.
• Zid wrote on 2011-01-01 21:17

  Quote from radionoise;272494:

  Water Cannon has very little min-max gap, so I think it might make it harder for you to gauge the difference.

  
  
  By all means, I'll use Wind Blast then.
  
  I need it anyway for Flame Burst.
• Sunureu13 wrote on 2011-01-01 21:50
  Maybe there's no such thing as Alchemy Balance, and whatever damage you get is a random roll.
• Taliya wrote on 2011-01-02 08:36

  Quote from Sunureu13;272528:

  Maybe there's no such thing as Alchemy Balance, and whatever damage you get is a random roll.

  
  
  Nah, there is. When Markcg from Mari tested water cannon at max distance, he concluded that it had a 50% balance.
• Sunureu13 wrote on 2011-01-02 08:59

  Quote from Taliya;273142:

  Nah, there is. When Markcg from Mari tested water cannon at max distance, he concluded that it had a 50% balance.

  
  
  That could also mean that there's no balance, and every shot was random damage, and since it's obviously on a range of 0-100%, the average was 50%, making it seem like there's a 50% balance.
  
  But to have an Alchemy balance would mean that it's affected in some way by something. That's what I'm getting at.