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Jovo wrote on 2011-01-02 08:15
Giant melee is outclassed by golems in g13 with the advent of earthquake cylinder and clay mastery. Huge wms and 777 max damage snow golems FTL. 500 AP (r1 Alchemy Mastery, r1 golem, r1 clay mastery) > 3-4k Total Level giant. Pretty sad. :/
Sums up why I quit my giant.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2011-01-02 08:16
Alchemy's very powerful end-game. Good when coupled with other skills.
Eh. PvM? isn't it PvE? to be nitpicky.
in over 5 years of playing MMO's i have only ever heard it called PvE. Never PvM
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Piconoe wrote on 2011-01-02 08:33
Quote from Aubog007;273130:
Alchemy's very powerful end-game. Good when coupled with other skills.
Eh. PvM? isn't it PvE? to be nitpicky.
in over 5 years of playing MMO's i have only ever heard it called PvE. Never PvM
Same here, but since it became the lingo of the thread (and couldn't remember the word 'PvE' at the time (thank you for that)) I decided to just use it, too.
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Cynic wrote on 2011-01-02 08:42
Quote from Aubog007;273130:
Alchemy's very powerful end-game. Good when coupled with other skills.
Eh. PvM? isn't it PvE? to be nitpicky.
in over 5 years of playing MMO's i have only ever heard it called PvE. Never PvM
I've often heard it both ways. xD I just tend to go with PvM as it sounds more direct.
I'll stick with saying 'in general combat', then.
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Piconoe wrote on 2011-01-02 08:53
Quote from Cynic;273145:
I've often heard it both ways. xD I just tend to go with PvM as it sounds more direct.
I'll stick with saying 'in general combat', then.
True. Player versus Everyone kinda' seems more like a PvDK or EvG except without the teams. PvE just never sempt like the correct name for it, but it is always called PvE (at least on my server). This thread was the first place I saw the more fitting name 'PvM'.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2011-01-02 09:00
Quote from Piconoe;273148:
True. Player versus Everyone kinda' seems more like a PvDK or EvG except without the teams. PvE just never sempt like the correct name for it, but it is always called PvE (at least on my server). This thread was the first place I saw the more fitting name 'PvM'.
E stands for Environment. Last i recall.
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Piconoe wrote on 2011-01-02 09:07
Quote from Aubog007;273151:
E stands for Environment. Last i recall.
Oh, really? Either it's used for both, or the last times I've talked about it, everyone in the conversation were ignorant to it's real name like me.
That actually makes an insane amount of sense, now.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2011-01-02 09:13
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Oh, really? Either it's used for both, or the last times I've talked about it, everyone in the conversation were ignorant to it's real name like me.
That actually makes an insane amount of sense, now.
Oh the Everquest days of yore.
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Phanterz wrote on 2011-01-02 14:04
All skillsets have limits, and Alchemy's is no lower in my opinion.
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jking012 wrote on 2011-01-02 14:10
Quote from Pride;272789:
Your sister is right about Alchemy having a limit, since it isn't affected by stats. For damage it's dependant on Titles, Skill ranks, and enchants. :3
if you look at it stat wise... isnt there a base stat max ... so wouldnt it eventually be 999 (not counting certain trans's affecting beyond?)
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Kaeporo wrote on 2011-01-02 14:12
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Omegatronic wrote on 2011-01-02 16:40
PvM started as Player vs Machine.
During the MUD and MUSH era it came to mean Player vs Mob.
It then changed to mean Player vs Monster (which makes little sense to me since not all Mobs are Monsters but w/e)
re OP:
I suggest the following combo:
charge -> Frozen blast -> dance1
If you get it off it's guaranteed to make your opponent die of embarrassment.
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Bankai231 wrote on 2011-01-02 18:06
As Endless said its very different. You can do many different things with it with combos that you cant do with melee/range.
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Occamy wrote on 2011-01-02 23:11
Quote from Jovo;273129:
Giant melee is outclassed by golems in g13 with the advent of earthquake cylinder and clay mastery. Huge wms and 777 max damage snow golems FTL. 500 AP (r1 Alchemy Mastery, r1 golem, r1 clay mastery) > 3-4k Total Level giant. Pretty sad. :/
Sums up why I quit my giant.
Really? :O (Tells Sister that). Is it just Windmill, or can it outclass smash too?
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Jovo wrote on 2011-01-03 01:08
Both windmill and smash. In fact, smash is even more rigged because snow golems have ridiculous crit on top of wm radius.