G13 Some things flashy but definitely, the suck? O.o

• Retard wrote on 2011-01-17 01:04

  Quote from Tatsigi;292929:

  Yes, and this would fall into the category of each spell being good for different situations. According to mine and your calculations if i read yours correctly it would seem Hailstorm would be more efficient for 1-4 mobs, while thunder would be more effective for the 4-12 mobs. For everyday Hardmode missions with low spawn numbers or with mobs that don't spawn close together such as..Shadow Cast City and Provocation, hailstorm would be more damage/time efficient and depending on the situation more damage/mana efficient then thunder. While thunder would be more efficient in missions with large groups of monsters within chaining distance. Shadow wizard and sulfur spider in the shadow realm make good examples. I just felt that i needed to defend hailstorm due to the fact the OP totally rejected it and due to the fact ima be a hailstorm mage when g13 comes :thumb:
  
  And while i am posting this doesnt relate to the quote but people keep saying hailstorm is slow?
  
  [video=youtube;ZbiDY-Y-a1w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbiDY-Y-a1w[/video]
  [video=youtube;ra5H5vS7zeo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra5H5vS7zeo&feature=related[/video]
  [video=youtube;G6ToO1ZVHdc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ToO1ZVHdc[/video]
  
  Hailstorm SCC Hard Solo = 8mins 38secs
  Ice Spear SCC Hard Solo = 8mins 39secs
  Thunder/Alchemy Duo SCC Hard (couldnt find solo) = 7mins 59secs
  Couldn't find a fireball run and im to lazy to record one.

  
  
  LOL ^ 9 MINS SOLO! THOSE JP PLAYERS BE CRAZY!
• Ryoko wrote on 2011-01-17 01:39

  Quote from Purrz24;292946:

  LOL ^ 9 MINS SOLO! THOSE JP PLAYERS BE CRAZY!

  
  
  Nope.. o3o
• Phunkie wrote on 2011-01-17 01:58
  Hailstorm looks amazing!
• Justified wrote on 2011-01-17 02:12

  Quote from Chiyuri;291404:

  Critical hit by a mage using Hailstorm.
  
  

  [Image: http://i56.tinypic.com/wvr39d.png]

  
  
  Looks worth it enough for me

  
  
  I like this one better
  
  

  [Image: http://i41.tinypic.com/5b62qe.jpg]

  
  
  But yea, I'm torn between Hailstorm or Fire/Ice Masteries for which to rank first. Then there's Bolt Masteries and Fusion, too much AP needed.
  :T_T:
• Tatsigi wrote on 2011-01-17 02:17

  Quote from Justified;293016:

  I like this one better
  
  

  [Image: http://i41.tinypic.com/5b62qe.jpg]

  
  
  But yea, I'm torn between Hailstorm or Fire/Ice Masteries for which to rank first. Then there's Bolt Masteries and Fusion, too much AP needed.
  :T_T:

  
  
  I'm at a lost to. My plan so far is
  
  Hailstorm
  Ice Mastery
  Lightning Mastery
  Fire Mastery
  Bolt Composer/Bolt Mastery at the same time
• Retard wrote on 2011-01-17 03:57

  Quote from Justified;293016:

  I like this one better
  
  

  [Image: http://i41.tinypic.com/5b62qe.jpg]

  
  
  But yea, I'm torn between Hailstorm or Fire/Ice Masteries for which to rank first. Then there's Bolt Masteries and Fusion, too much AP needed.
  :T_T:

  
  
  This Pic+My oppinion= FK u hailstorm i like ice spear
• Aubog007 wrote on 2011-01-17 04:53
  Hailstorm's a nice addition to any mage arsenal. Anyone that says otherwise... Well get your brain checked.
  
  
  

  Quote from Purrz24;292946:

  LOL ^ 9 MINS SOLO! THOSE JP PLAYERS BE CRAZY!

  
  
  WMing Giants can get 6-7 min out of trans. 4 min in trans.
  
  Humans have slightly different times.
  
  Don't forget Crash Shotting elves.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-01-17 04:54

  Quote from Purrz24;293182:

  This Pic+My oppinion= FK u hailstorm i like ice spear

  
  
  I wouldn't weigh too heavily on something like that. Look closely, those are red skeletons.
• Phanterz wrote on 2011-01-17 04:55
  MP Cost: For 30 seconds, you cannot seriously be complaining about 170 MP. If you were constantly spamming Ice spear for that time, it would be 480 MP for human, 300 for an elf. It would be 360 if you constantly spammed Thunder 1 charge, which gives the highest dps.
  
  Damage: Overkill. Every 3.5 seconds 5 charges can be loaded. I would say not to use the pictures above since they represent elemental advantages, but it seems like 5 charges equals to about 2k damage for a person with high intelligence. The splash is small but usable. The range is abysmal.
  
  Edit:
  

  Quote from Tatsigi;292929:

  
  
  Hailstorm SCC Hard Solo = 8mins 38secs
  Ice Spear SCC Hard Solo = 8mins 39secs
  Thunder/Alchemy Duo SCC Hard (couldnt find solo) = 7mins 59secs
  Couldn't find a fireball run and im to lazy to record one.

  
  
  Doesn't really apply since the icespear/thunder runs were pre-g13 and therefore weaker.
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-17 05:21

  Quote from Tatsigi;292929:

  Yes, and this would fall into the category of each spell being good for different situations. According to mine and your calculations if i read yours correctly it would seem Hailstorm would be more efficient for 1-4 mobs, while thunder would be more effective for the 4-12 mobs. For everyday Hardmode missions with low spawn numbers or with mobs that don't spawn close together such as..Shadow Cast City and Provocation, hailstorm would be more damage/time efficient and depending on the situation more damage/mana efficient then thunder. While thunder would be more efficient in missions with large groups of monsters within chaining distance. Shadow wizard and sulfur spider in the shadow realm make good examples. I just felt that i needed to defend hailstorm due to the fact the OP totally rejected it and due to the fact ima be a hailstorm mage when g13 comes :thumb:

  
  
  Seeing the spell in action in a relevant location like SCC/hard is much more informative than previous vids I'd seen in places like rabbie/basic or worse foxes. Seeing the splash demonstrated in a mission I'm very familiar with is also much more useful than a pile of zombies in tnn. Overall my opinion of the spell has gone up a little, and I won't be as ininterested in ranking it to complete my spellbook as I was before.
  
  

  Quote from Tatsigi;292929:

  [video=youtube;G6ToO1ZVHdc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ToO1ZVHdc[/video]

  
  
  This vid made me go meh. I need to make a better vid than this for you. the alchemist in the vid was certainly not helping out, and was acively interfering with the mage in numerous occasions. In particular, using IS crystals for weak damage and cancelling a thunder that would have killed the entire spawn? Using single digit damage flame burst to keep the ghost at bay when the mage's cat clearly had it in an ice/counter ai? I would have exitied the mission, left the party, and gone solo were I that mage. That alchemist was a freaking nub.
• Justified wrote on 2011-01-17 05:29

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;293335:

  I wouldn't weigh too heavily on something like that. Look closely, those are red skeletons.

  
  
  Both Hailstorm and Ice Spear are the same element, so you can still appropriately compare the damage. The point was that Intermediate Magic has the ability to do similar, if not more, damage than Hailstorm (at least before G13 nerf, not sure about after). The larger splash ability is also something that shouldn't be ignored.
  
  Personally, if I didn't already have a variety of magic skills mastered already, I might choose Ice Spear over Hailstorm on which to rank first, though getting both is still pretty appealing. Plus you don't need a Trinity Staff for Ice Spear, which makes using it a bit easier.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-01-17 06:17
  I didn't say disregard ice spear. I only said don't abandon a potentially wonderful skill just because of one picture where elements are stacked.
• Justified wrote on 2011-01-17 06:24

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;293457:

  I didn't say disregard ice spear. I only said don't abandon a potentially wonderful skill just because of one picture where elements are stacked.

  
  
  Both pictures are Ice vs Red Skeleton.
  So there's no damage stacking going on.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-01-17 06:28

  Quote from Justified;293467:

  Both pictures are Ice vs Red Skeleton.
  So there's no damage stacking going on.

  
  
  I meant stack as in ice element stacked against fire. And I wasn't comparing two images. I was saying not to base such a heavy decision on an image.
• gentrone wrote on 2011-01-17 06:36

  Quote from Justified;293384:

  Both Hailstorm and Ice Spear are the same element, so you can still appropriately compare the damage. The point was that Intermediate Magic has the ability to do similar, if not more, damage than Hailstorm (at least before G13 nerf, not sure about after). The larger splash ability is also something that shouldn't be ignored.
  
  Personally, if I didn't already have a variety of magic skills mastered already, I might choose Ice Spear over Hailstorm on which to rank first, though getting both is still pretty appealing. Plus you don't need a Trinity Staff for Ice Spear, which makes using it a bit easier.

  
  
  Yup. Hailstorm and Ice Spear are very similar DPS-wise. The only difference is that Ice Spear deals the same amount of damage to X targets, while Hailstorm can concentrate that damage on one or several targets (up to 6). I would rank Ice Spear first as well, Hailstorm seems nice, but not mandatory.