MABINATION SMALL QUESTIONS THREAD

• alwmiioktm wrote on 2015-09-20 16:00
  in this case it would take the highest value
  
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  Quote from Intimacy;1286984:

  Whats the easiest way to farm ambush? commerce or bandit hunting, and off the top of your head if you know how long of a grind am i about to get myself into?

  
  
  you'd probably be best off having a friend with high level commerce goods run around and summon master bandits for you, a painful grind imo, ive gotten it twice and hate grinding for it. It's not too bad though the killing them was easy just finding the spawns was a bit tedious
• UnclePine wrote on 2015-09-20 16:28
  Does the bonus crit effect from an upgraded Rebis Guard Cylinder apply only to Alchemy skills casted through the cylinder or to any attack (assuming the cylinder is equipped and currently in use)?
  Example: do I get the bonus crit on Firebolts casted with my Savage Fire Wand?
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-20 17:40

  Quote from UnclePine;1287010:

  Does the bonus crit effect from an upgraded Rebis Guard Cylinder apply only to Alchemy skills casted through the cylinder or to any attack (assuming the cylinder is equipped and currently in use)?
  Example: do I get the bonus crit on Firebolts casted with my Savage Fire Wand?

  
  
  Critical from the item itself does apply.
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/ki51Y/f1768540d1.png]

  
  +22 critical on this rebis.
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/ki54Y/f80baf2bca.png]

  
  Before.
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/ki56k/af5803ab96.png]

  
  After.
• UnclePine wrote on 2015-09-20 18:54
  Really good to know, thank you. Does the same apply for the stamina reduction upgrade (not that I'll actually ever use that because crits are way better)?
• Rynn wrote on 2015-09-20 19:25

  Quote from Poshwosh;1286990:

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/HestHPF.png]

  
  
  How the hell can this even happen? Is this a typo of another gun skill?

  
  
  Some reforges (mostly gun/ninja) can appear twice. One line can go up to 20, and the other up to 12.
  It's unknown exactly why this happens, but it's often claimed to be a bug in the implementation of mysterious reforges (something that NA doesn't have).
  
  Anyhow, they don't stack. Only the highest level will apply, so you only have lv 20 flash launcher and if you had a double of lv 6 and lv 5, you would still only have lv 6 flash launcher.
  
  There are exceptions that will stack, however, and these are only for the reforges that add stats directly to character screen. That means stuff like hp, mp, or even Dual Gun Max Damage or Shuriken Max damage.
  
  Note: The example mentioned in the post below yours is false, wotg duration is not a stat reforge so it does not stack. I actually tested it myself (lv 20 hat and lv 10 rental gun) just to be extra sure.
  
  

  Quote from Esileruf;1287017:

  [Image: http://puu.sh/ki54Y/f80baf2bca.png]

  
  Before.
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/ki56k/af5803ab96.png]

  
  After.

  
  
  And while in the topic of fire wand critical, firebolt doesn't actually use character screen critical rate. It uses either barehand or some other formula I've been too lazy to test that ignores wand's weapon critical stat (unsure about rebis critical but that part is probably fine). So like if you have 200% crit with your 27% crit ego firewand, you're likely only really at ~183%.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-20 20:03

  Quote from Rynn;1287022:

  
  And while in the topic of fire wand critical, firebolt doesn't actually use character screen critical rate. It uses either barehand or some other formula I've been too lazy to test that ignores wand's weapon critical stat (unsure about rebis critical but that part is probably fine). So like if you have 200% crit with your 27% crit ego firewand, you're likely only really at ~183%.

  
  
  That would explain why I'm having difficulty critting sephirot even at 190% w/o overture.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-20 20:46

  Quote from Rynn;1287022:

  Note: The example mentioned in the post below yours is false, wotg duration is not a stat reforge so it does not stack. I actually tested it myself (lv 20 hat and lv 10 rental gun) just to be extra sure.

  
  
  My friend said "confirmed" but I don't know where she got it from to begin with. I'll ask for her source.
  
  

  And while in the topic of fire wand critical, firebolt doesn't actually use character screen critical rate. It uses either barehand or some other formula I've been too lazy to test that ignores wand's weapon critical stat (unsure about rebis critical but that part is probably fine). So like if you have 200% crit with your 27% crit ego firewand, you're likely only really at ~183%.

  
  
  Wiki says it's the exact same formula as character screen crit rate, minus the weapon and bare hands (10%).
• Intimacy wrote on 2015-09-21 06:55
  Since the reworked defense/protection thing, has r1 defense/light armor/heavy armor become worth fuck all now? the 150 ap for like 20 extra defense, i'm sitting at rF atm, never touched the skill but i'm noticing im squishy as hell mines sitting at like 50 something with my equipment on.
  
  Secondary question they say heavy armor mastery adds 40 defense at r1, is that 40 regardless? or is that 40 with armor on lol
  Because the r1 description also says when equipping heavy armor it gives 20 defense.
  
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Heavy_Armor_Mastery
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-21 07:03

  Quote from Intimacy;1287070:

  Since the reworked defense/protection thing, has r1 defense become worth fuck all now? the 150 ap for like 20 extra defense, i'm sitting at rF atm, never touched the skill but i'm noticing im squishy as hell mines sitting at like 50 something with my equipment on

  
  
  Start with Armor and/or shield masteries. If you don't use them, go for it.
• Intimacy wrote on 2015-09-21 07:06

  Quote from Darkboy132;1287071:

  Start with Armor and/or shield masteries. If you don't use them, go for it.

  
  
  
  I dont use armor or shields what so ever, the r1 for armor mastery says 40 defense, but at the bottom of the wiki for r1's description says +20 armor with heavy armor equipped? is that 40 base +20 with heavy on?
  
  You really didn't answer anything i asked lol
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-21 07:27

  Quote from Intimacy;1287073:

  I dont use armor or shields what so ever, the r1 for armor mastery says 40 defense, but at the bottom of the wiki for r1's description says +20 armor with heavy armor equipped? is that 40 base +20 with heavy on?
  
  You really didn't answer anything i asked lol

  
  
  It's 40 on Heavy Armor, wiki simply overlooked that.
  
  As for Defense, exactly what are you fighting and how much HP do you have? 70 passive defense is a pretty noticeable amount at least for Advanced Shadow Missions or so. In Hard missions 70 Defense will extend your survivability a bit to survive one or two extra hits. In endgame content like Abyss, mob's damage becomes so high to the point where even Royal Knight doesn't do jack.
  
  If you're actually using Defense skill, 65 Defense/35 Protection is obviously huge... But then you have shields halving all damage even at F.
• Intimacy wrote on 2015-09-21 07:45

  Quote from Darkboy132;1287076:

  It's 40 on Heavy Armor, wiki simply overlooked that.
  
  As for Defense, exactly what are you fighting and how much HP do you have? 70 passive defense is a pretty noticeable amount at least for Advanced Shadow Missions or so. In Hard missions 70 Defense will extend your survivability a bit to survive one or two extra hits. In endgame content like Abyss, mob's damage becomes so high to the point where even Royal Knight doesn't do jack.
  
  If you're actually using Defense skill, 65 Defense/35 Protection is obviously huge... But then you have shields halving all damage even at F.

  
  
  
  Peaca abyss/MA other endgame shit 573 hp 50 armor
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-21 08:12

  Quote from Intimacy;1287077:

  Peaca abyss/MA other endgame shit 573 hp 50 armor

  
  
  Yeah... endgame is pretty much where defensive stats is mostly irrelevant and only lets you survive one or two extra hits. Even I have some 170 Defense and 30 Protection Stat / 34% Damage Reduction and 1k~ HP and I still get KO'd in a couple of hits relatively fast.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-09-21 12:00
  Defense is kinda' meh, but going from ~20 to >100 is actually nice for the normal game (to stop weak things from papercutting you to death).
  
  For high-damage things more prot is more useful. I sometimes swap titles along with wearing heavy armor to make high-level stuff hurt less. For some examples, let's say I have the following setups (with screenshots to show they're real) and I take an attack that would normally do 1000 damage.
  
  Naked, no special titles.
  [spoiler="90 def, 0 prot."]

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/EKo3xW9.png]

  [/spoiler]910 damage taken.
  
  Armor on, no special titles.
  [spoiler="142 def, 16 prot."]

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/wHRF58o.png]

  [/spoiler]721 damage taken.
  
  Armor+shield, no special titles.
  [spoiler="153(+7) def, 23 prot."]

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/KEc76xM.png]

  [/spoiler]647 damage taken.
  
  Armor on, defensive titles.
  [spoiler="159 def, 33 prot."]

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/eAwdzg4.png]

  [/spoiler]563 damage taken.
  
  Armor+shield, defensive titles.
  [spoiler="174(+7) def, 40 prot."]

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/J6MFykl.png]

  [/spoiler]491 damage taken.
  
  [SIZE="1"](My armor has been around for a while and isn't specifically upgraded for prot, Royal Knight armor with prot upgrades or something would fare better. In addition the Rebis Guard Cylinder is a small shield, something like an Avon would do better in both def and prot but I'm here to show my variable setups as they're actually used.)[/SIZE]
  
  So like, going from 30 prot to 50 prot isn't that important, but going from 5 prot to 30 provides a noticeable difference in how many of your organs stay inside of you after an attack.
  
  And for def, going from 125 to 200 def won't cut nearly as much out of a high-level attack as more prot would, but going from 0 to 75 def will stop weaker things from being able to reliably damage you which can help when the dalies are weaker missions or something.
  
  ... so yes, unless your main damage stat relies on dexterity or you have a clothing enchant setup from an old event and GM typo that can't be replicated and gives insane gains in the membrane, I recommend most people to wear and rank heavy armor.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-21 12:23
  I believe my defensive stats with plain heavy armor are around 140/40. Heavy armor doesn't really do much unless I ping. I feel a greater difference with a shield due to being able to pretend I'm a fiona. I can't precisely check right now.
  Also, in higher end content, heavy armor works good due to ping being huge and affecting with mana shield, and shield's defensive properties apply over MS with defense on. Protection really doesn't do anything in Peaca Abyss/alban, and at higher stages of alban even mana shield cannot sustain.
  I'm unsure though where the line for Heavy armor stops and Mana shield with reduction begins. Including and discluding the horrid idea of using defense with a HEM.