Rant about Nexon's hate for elves

• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-29 06:41
  To complete the trinity.
  
  First off, elves are a desert race that is pale skinned, and has 0-options to look anything at all dark skinned.
  
  Second, why can I only have one option for long-eared elf, but there are three or four for short-eared? I play an elf I want my proud ears to stand out. I don't want to try to masquerade as a human like that one fail blonde girl...
  
  As for mechanics:
  
  Elf lag.
  
  High miss rate for what is supposed to be our main form of attack? Seriously how does someone from the race that is supposed to best at archer, has rk1 ranged attack skill (representing the highest level of training in that skill) miss 5 or 6 times in a row, for a total of 10-12 arrows, when all are fired at 99% aim?
  
  Elven magic missile using a wand. Sure you can do it... but why does it have to do such terrible damage? If it is supposed to represent the magicalness of elves, why can't it get a boost from INT and be treated as a spell when used with a wand?
• Shizuo wrote on 2011-01-29 06:44

  Quote from Cryosite;309228:

  High miss rate for what is supposed to be our main form of attack? Seriously how does someone from the race that is supposed to best at archer, has rk1 ranged attack skill (representing the highest level of training in that skill) miss 5 or 6 times in a row, for a total of 10-12 arrows, when all are fired at 99% aim?

  
  
  This omfg o.e
• Joker wrote on 2011-01-29 06:47
  Apparently you havent seen a hax elf b4 ~_~......... Dreams Elf in Tarlach... ok... Ohey... ~hit hit~.....er... ~hit hit~ im dead... from 2400 range away ... and elf killed me in about 4 seconds... explain?
  and they shot me as soon as they saw me...
  
  idk bout that person but When i tried elf... i got loads of elf lag... miss all the time... sometimes you want to call mods or hax or something..
  
  I think allot of elf lag is based on your connection :/
  Because there are pro elfs i see never miss... and never elf lag... while i elf lag every 5 shots... anyways... thats just my opinion
  
  Oh and yeah on my elf... i have missed 10 times... at 70% :/ lame... ppl shoot at 30 and hit all the time ~_~ i dont get it.. range is messed up
• Xemnas wrote on 2011-01-29 06:55
  Can we stop with these threads before it's nexon's hate for horses,fomors, etc.
• Ailyene wrote on 2011-01-29 06:56
  Nexon hates fomors. Look at their dumb AI! Even though they have so much more HP than us, they're forever destined to use the same crappy weapons and do the same actions, enabling much weaker players to still kill them! Poor fomors. =(
• Cannibal wrote on 2011-01-29 06:57
  I was going to type this out tonight, but my boyfriend called and was like, "Yo, we're going out." and I didn't have time to. So! I'm glad you did.
  
  The pale-skinned thing pisses me off. Some people may complain this way or that way, but I really do wish that elves could have some darker skin options, as well as black hair. I would love to have black hair on an elf.
• Skye wrote on 2011-01-29 07:03
  I feel like this should have been a bit more thorough for it to have made it into the Mabinogi Talk section. I feel like this was made just to be made, therefore I feel like it belongs in BR. :/
• Joker wrote on 2011-01-29 07:06

  Quote from Skye;309248:

  I feel like this should have been a bit more thorough for it to have made it into the Mabinogi Talk section. I feel like this was made just to be made, therefore I feel like it belongs in BR. :/

  
  
  well there certainly was more effort in the first one compared to this ... xD
• Sedia wrote on 2011-01-29 08:29

  Quote from Cryosite;309228:

  To complete the trinity.
  
  First off, elves are a desert race that is pale skinned, and has 0-options to look anything at all dark skinned.
  
  one fail blonde girl...
  

  
  
  1: What about Granat in Taillteann? He's dark....a little...
  
  2: Andras is not fail. It takes skill to be an elf and be able to hide your loooong ears behind your hair.
• Crimmy wrote on 2011-01-29 08:42
  Eh. Nexon doesn't hate elves but they do underhand them sometimes. Succubus dress, Project RM are pretty good event examples. Their melee nerf is pretty bad but they can excel in magic and range so they're only missing out a bit on one branch. I guess no dual-wielding sucks but they technically dual-arrow so it kind of makes up for it.
  
  Magic Missile with a wand is just like Full Swing with a wand. You don't really do it for damage, just that knockback effect in combos. If you're doing it for damage then you're doing it wrong.
  
  Not having Black hair for elves is there for story reasons. Black hair = cursed elf or whatever. At least that has a legitimate reason and you can alway just pick a different color out of the many options.
  
  I think the only thing I don't like is that elves have extremely low hp and can't wear most/any? heavy armor. Just seems a little unfair.
  
  So no, I don't think Nexon hates elves but I do think they're lazy about 'em. Probably too busy making new crap for humans.
• Navy wrote on 2011-01-29 09:58

  Quote from Mike;309243:

  I was going to type this out tonight, but my boyfriend called and was like, "Yo, we're going out." and I didn't have time to. So! I'm glad you did.
  
  The pale-skinned thing pisses me off. Some people may complain this way or that way, but I really do wish that elves could have some darker skin options, as well as black hair. I would love to have black hair on an elf.

  
  
  it doesnt make much sense since elves live in the desert?
  why so pale/no tan man? D:
  
  

  Quote from CurlyBrace13;309299:

  1: What about Granat in Taillteann? He's dark....a little...
  
  2: Andras is not fail. It takes skill to be an elf and be able to hide your loooong ears behind your hair.

  
  
  Andras is a human, not an elf.
• Xemnas wrote on 2011-01-29 10:06

  Quote from Humility;309336:

  
  
  Andras is a human, not an elf.

  
  Ohboyherewego.jpg
  

  Quote from SPOILER:

  Andras is in fact, an Elf, not a Human. When speaking to her with the Private Story Keyword, she mentions this. In addition, Andras says things that an Elf would normally say (ie- talking to her with every single keyword in possession, she says she has no idea what they are).
  
  When Andras was ten, she was believed to be Fomorian due to her long ears which are unusual compared for a Human. This was before Iria was discovered. In this time, Andras was hated by humanity; they threw rocks at her and insulted her. One day, she ran into Rabbie Dungeon after being chased off by Humans and was almost killed by a Lycanthrope if it weren't for Elatha. The Incubus then convinces her to change her destiny. The image below shows how she hid her ears.
  
  As time passed, Andras had felt sorrow in Elatha as he was falling into darkness. Andras had given him a Music Box to help soothe the darkness within him.

  
  
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Andras
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-29 10:40

  Quote from Skye;309248:

  I feel like this should have been a bit more thorough for it to have made it into the Mabinogi Talk section. I feel like this was made just to be made, therefore I feel like it belongs in BR. :/

  
  
  

  Quote from Joker;309250:

  well there certainly was more effort in the first one compared to this ... xD

  
  
  I'm sorry that I didn't add a bunch of comedy into mine, but I was actually making a serious thread to discuss the problems elves face. If you feel it needed to be more thorough, then by all means actually contribute to the topic. I am quite sure there are more problems that could be discussed, care to add any?
  
  

  Quote from Crimmy;309305:

  Magic Missile with a wand is just like Full Swing with a wand. You don't really do it for damage, just that knockback effect in combos. If you're doing it for damage then you're doing it wrong.

  
  
  I wasn't aware that giants using wands while transformed typically used fullswing and/or did comboes involving magic and fullswing. that seems kind of strange to me.
  
  Howevever, elven Magic Missile does do respectable damage when used with a bow. It gains dex boosts, enchantments worn, etc just like a ranged attack. Before crash shot, it was one of the only ways to get an area effect and protection ignoring attack with range.Since elves are designed to be good at range, this is just as appriate as it is for giants to do good damage with gfs using the proper weaponry.
  
  Elves are also supposed to be good at magic. I don't think adding in some damage based on INT would be out of character for the intended design of the race. I'm not saying it should do as much damage as it does with a bow, or that it should do damage like gfs does. I'm just saying it shouldn't be totally useless for causing damage.
  
  

  Quote from Crimmy;309305:

  Not having Black hair for elves is there for story reasons. Black hair = cursed elf or whatever. At least that has a legitimate reason and you can alway just pick a different color out of the many options.
  
  

  
  
  There are other options, but black or at least dark brown/natural hair colors should be options. Black hair being a curse was chosen completely arbitrarily by the devs. they could just have easily decided that ginger elves were the cursed ones, or white hair, or blondes.
  
  Furthermore, the players are Milletians. They don't exactly fit in with the rest of elves; elven players don't have anything to do with the memory tower, for example. Just because an npc elf with dark hair is an omen, doesn't mean player elves would be.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2011-01-29 14:09
  1. Elves have the most effective ranged potential end-game.
  2. Elves have the most efficient magic potential end-game.
  3. Elves have equal Alchemy potential compared to Humans/Giants end-game.
  4. Elves have slightly less effective melee potential end-game.
  5. Falcon Beast provides the greatest ADACT of all transformations.
  6. Elves have a superior movement speed.
  
  1a. Elves can utilize ranged combat while mounted, which is a huge benefit.
  1b. Elves have superior mobility while using ranged attacks compared to Humans.
  1c. Elves have a greater accuracy cap while using ranged attacks compared to Humans.
  1d. Ranged Attack/Arrow Revolver - These skills effectively act as your quick, reliable skill for dealing with single targets (w/out NS) or finishing off mobs.
  1e. Magnum Shot - No contest. Humans may aim 50% faster than Elves but that does not make up for Magnum Shot having a load duration three times shorter.
  1f. Crash Shot - Humans aim 50% faster, Elves can utilize the skill with significantly greater mobility.
  1g. Final Shot/Mirage Missile - The latter is useless, the former temporarily allows Elves to surpass the Human aim speed and further reduces the load time of their skills.
  
  2a. Elves spend more AP for magic bolts.
  2b. Elves have a greater mana pool than other races.
  2c. Elves spend less MP while casting Ice Spear.
  
  3. Alchemy is equally OP for everyone.
  
  4a. Elves cannot duel wield effective weapons.
  4b. Elves cannot wield Heavy Armor, with the exception of Dragon Rider Armor.
  4c. Elves cannot weild two-handed swords, with the exception of Brionac and Tonghua Xinqing's Two-Handed Sword.
  4d. Elves receive less strength from skills and leveling.
  4e. Elven Windmill deals 20% less damage than Giant/Human Windmill at r1.
  4f. Elven Smash loads in 2.5 seconds.
  4g. Elves receive less base defense from the defense skill.
  
  5a. Falcons obtain greater ADACT from transformation than all other transformations.
  
  [SIZE="1"]Falcon
  
  Melee Damage (80-106)
  Average Melee Damage (100)
  
  Ranged Damage (53-106)
  Average Ranged Damage (95)
  
  Critical (38%)
  
  Melee ADACT (138)
  Ranged ADACT (133)
  
  Savage Beast
  
  Melee Damage (73-97)
  Average Melee Damage (92)
  
  Critical (32%)
  
  Melee ADACT (124)
  
  Paladin
  
  Melee Damage (109-134)
  Average Melee Damage (129)
  
  Ranged Damage (84-134)
  Average Ranged Damage (124)
  
  Critical (5%)
  
  Melee ADACT (134)
  Ranged ADACT (129)
  
  Dark Knight
  
  Average Melee Damage: 75
  Activation rate: 25% Strength Bonus (360) Damage (108-144) Average Damage (136) Average Contribution (34)
  Activation rate: 25% Strength Bonus (200) Damage (60-80) Average Damage (76) Average Contribution (19)
  Activation rate: 50% Strength Bonus (120) Damage (36-48) Average Damage (45) Average Contribution (22)
  
  Average Ranged Damage: 92
  Activation rate: 50% Dexterity Bonus (360) Damage (72-144) Average Damage (129) Average Contribution (64)
  Activation rate: 25% Dexterity Bonus (200) Damage (40-80) Average Damage (72) Average Contribution (18)
  Activation rate: 25% Dexterity Bonus (120) Damage (24-48) Average Damage (43) Average Contribution (10)
  
  Average Critical: 22%
  Activation rate: 25% Critical (36%) Average Contribution (9%)
  Activation rate: 50% Critical (20%) Average Contribution (10%)
  Activation rate: 25% Critical (12%) Average Contribution (3%)
  
  Melee ADACT (97)
  Ranged ADACT(114)[/SIZE]
  
  5b. Beast transformations obtain significantly more protection than Human transformations.
  5c. Falcon Beasts have a significantly greater mana bonus than other transformations.
  5d. Elven Magic Missile is a highly versatile area of effect skill that deals significant damage in any element.
  
  Sure, it's next to useless while the player is wielding a wand. Tell me; How effective is Full Swing when anything other than a Giant two-handed weapon is being used. While you're at it, how effective are the Human transformations exclu...oh wait. They only have one and it totally blows.
  
  6a. Elves run 32% faster than Humans and 20% faster than Giants.
  
  Nexon doesn't hate Elves. All of the newbies start as Elves. Newbies bring revenue. Nexon loves revenue.
• Fracture wrote on 2011-01-29 14:36

  Quote from Cryosite;309228:

  To complete the trinity.
  
  First off, elves are a desert race that is pale skinned, and has 0-options to look anything at all dark skinned.
  
  Second, why can I only have one option for long-eared elf, but there are three or four for short-eared? I play an elf I want my proud ears to stand out. I don't want to try to masquerade as a human like that one fail blonde girl...
  
  As for mechanics:
  
  Elf lag.
  
  High miss rate for what is supposed to be our main form of attack? Seriously how does someone from the race that is supposed to best at archer, has rk1 ranged attack skill (representing the highest level of training in that skill) miss 5 or 6 times in a row, for a total of 10-12 arrows, when all are fired at 99% aim?
  
  Elven magic missile using a wand. Sure you can do it... but why does it have to do such terrible damage? If it is supposed to represent the magicalness of elves, why can't it get a boost from INT and be treated as a spell when used with a wand?

  
  
  I'd just like to point out--
  
  -Two arrows at once
  -Two bolts at once
  -Running while aiming
  -Shooting from mount
  -Little stam use
  -Teleportation with faster-than-AR aiming
  -Hide
  -Less MP consumed for IS
  -More INT/MP and slightly more DEX overall
  -DoT ranged attack
  -Reduced AP cost for combat skills
  
  And the list goes on. DevCat just chucked in any random benefit to the elven race that they could think of, with penalties consisting roughly of no 2h's, which they later broke with Brionac, and no heavy armour, which they broke with event gear and certain equips from pets.