Help My Giant Friend with Alchemy!

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Akemii wrote on 2011-01-30 03:22

Quote from Joker;310463:
Yes yes it would.... except I do get more crit then a upgraded ... but still.. eventually egos should get more love as im sure... +3 already overpowers almost every ego... (im sure devcat/nexon realizes this and will be doing something to offset it, Hopefully its not just okay... max raised to 100 go...) hopefully they add in like a ego mastery or something (probably trans skill tab?) idk.. or in combat tab... >.> (hopefully something) FML

Yeah I was hoping for the same. I mean basically this is a quicker but more expensive(possibly) alternative to ego. But ego food did become easier with all the theatre mission drop sthough...
Joker wrote on 2011-01-30 03:26

Quote from Pride;310483:
Yeah I was hoping for the same. I mean basically this is a quicker but more expensive(possibly) alternative to ego. But ego food did become easier with all the theatre mission drop sthough...

theatre mission gems are bad for ego food .... really... they are... if their under 7cm (except diamonds) its not worth feeding.. (unless you don't care about the speed or your ego is mad)

Oh for comparison of dmg to money for them

Ego 97-200 = 24 or so million gold value
time for me to get this.. (while spamming good items from shops), about 3-4 generations= approx 7 months?
Broad axe, upgraded, +6 = about prob 80-240 = about (good guess would be 3-5 mil)
can be done in about a week (for lazy) or about... 2 days... if ur not..

*Fixed the S/R upgraded amt from +3 to +6
+3 isnt enough for the dmg
Fracture wrote on 2011-01-30 03:30

Quote from Joker;310488:
theatre mission gems are bad for ego food .... really... they are... if their under 7cm (except diamonds) its not worth feeding.. (unless you don't care about the speed or your ego is mad)

Or if, y'know, you're not rich enough to buy 7cm+ gems. If you're broke, Theater Missions become your new best friend. No losing blessings, fairly easy, decent drops, and gems for ego.
Joker wrote on 2011-01-30 03:36

Quote from Fracture;310496:
Or if, y'know, you're not rich enough to buy 7cm+ gems. If you're broke, Theater Missions become your new best friend. No losing blessings, fairly easy, decent drops, and gems for ego.

Allot of my value from feeding came from fishing boat event and many other events ... like dragon boat and others such like.. tara festival (even though no str was given to my ego)

/ offtopic lol... (but his friend already chose not to be alchemist soo) /close thread lol
Username wrote on 2011-01-30 05:17

Quote from Joker;310478:
I saw a Royal Alch with rank 1 alch master, Rank 1 Heat buster, IN G12 tower cylinder
Crit 8500....(It was on a person I believe to, if not it was a red or Brown bear). I believe he is wrong and so are you....
with g13 it should crit about 10k .... (with a RA and other set stuff) add in Volcano cyl.... possible 8.5-10k w/o using tower**

I hit that high before G13 easily too with Tower cylinder.
Volcano is about 20% Less damage or somthing. But its also dependant on Protection and defence of the enemy. Heatbuster hitting somthing with 20-30 Protection = -20-30% damage. A bear or a person wouldn't really cut it to calculate real damage. Aswell as tower cylinders are more of a fun cylinder then anything. I dont know my heatbuster crit damage on a fox, yet to check. I have R2 AM, R1 HB, R1 Flame Alchemy/Flameburst. With Volcano and flame alchemist title. My damage wont jump as high as you stated or fracture stated. Heatbuster on a weak enemy generally isnt even needed. Not trying to be a downer or rude or anything. You cant expect super high numbers with heatbuster. Its just a Combo Smash that seperates you from the mob and the mob from you and deals high damage.

*R1 and R2 AM wont change much difference in Damage btw. 1-3% Depending on what values for damage from it are more accurate.
Only thing id use heatbuster for in a tower, is for Silab Cullin when im lazy. Barrier Spikes> Tower>WC Spam>Heatbuster. Flush Repeat. That combo is easy and can be done in certain dungeons and sm's too.
Edit: I prefer volcano because i can move with it. :V Else id use a tower for the sake of damage.

Im sorry, but i dont know how you really calculate your damage, but i put 20-30% Protection in my calculations most of the time because i generally wont be fighting weak obstacles.

Dont call me wrong on my heatbuster damage, i've been using heatbuster longer in NA then most people.
I haven't had time to test out my current damage, but in hard missions, my damage total I've mentioned is my approximate damage.

Edit: R1 Heatbuster/Flame Alchemist Title(+20% Damage (Fire Alchemy Stat itself and title)/Volcano Cylinder un-upgraded.
2.6-2.8 Normal hits generally on mongeese. 5.9k+ Easily crit on mongeese outside of qilla. People also have to realise heatbuster has a huge damage gap, and determining its full damage is annoying. Also depends on what you exactly have on your equipment etc. I dont have 'enchants' on my set, nor upgrades on my volcano.
Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-30 05:40

Quote from Joker;310449:
No Dmg Enchants
Ego
rank 5 Axe Mastery

11k Fullswing
Thank you
Gbye

Edit: I'll post pics when I get off my lazy a$$ and do some more Dmg Checks

Not to mention with a pretty generous splash range at that. Water cannon/heat buster might compete for damage, but are single target.

GFS > alchemy.
Dracius wrote on 2011-01-30 16:04

Quote from Kaeporo;310089:
X. Critical Hit - Rank whenever possible
X. Alchemy Mastery - Rank whenever possible
1. Water Cannon: r5/r1 - The bread and butter Alchemy skill. Highly spammable. High damage.
2. Production Mastery: r1 - You'll need the stamina obtained through ranking Production Mastery.
3. Barrier Spikes: r5 - Allows you to deploy walls that prevent the enemy from attacking while you lay into them.
4. Flame Burst: r5/r1 - Flame Burst adds another spammable skill to your arsenal.
4. Summon Golem: r5/r1 - Summon Golem adds an extremely powerful trump card.
5. Chain Cylinder: r1 - Chain Cylinder allows you to passively load multiple charges of water cannon/flame burst/sand burst.
5. Heat Buster: r5/r1 - Deals excellent damage at close range throughout combat. Very powerful. Spammable.

You can work on mastery skills throughout this progression. Eventually you'll want to look into skills like Life Drain, Frozen Blast and Spark. It's also a good idea to put a little bit of AP into wind blast.

Flame Burst is NOT one of those skills you spam for damage, not at all. In my opinion, it's only good for damage when you have 3 or more charges, otherwise it's just something to use as a stunner.
Kaeporo wrote on 2011-01-30 16:20

Quote from Dracius;311035:
Flame Burst is NOT one of those skills you spam for damage, not at all. In my opinion, it's only good for damage when you have 3 or more charges, otherwise it's just something to use as a stunner.

It's spammable in that you won't have to hunt crystals for it. I can spam Arrow Revolver all day long but I can't just mindlessly set up Barrier Spikes.

You're right though, Flame Burst is one of the best skills for an Alchemist to open an attack with but it deals unsatisfactory damage unless you charge it more than once.

That's where Chain Cylinder comes into play.
Fracture wrote on 2011-01-30 17:39

With the Chain Cylinder master title, flame burst becomes a very devastating option for dealing damage. Especially if you know how to aim, and are fighting a large group. A few alchemists with r1 Flame Burst can destroy Fortinbras Conquest on pretty much any difficulty.

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