How is Alchemy so powerful?

• Hiccup wrote on 2010-05-10 22:28
  @Kitae so how you do dat 8D
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2010-05-12 13:51

  Quote from Raj;32841:

  G10, enough said.
  xP
  
  And meh - Rank 1 Critical and Rank 1 Water Cannon - I have calculated, is EXTREMELY powerful. Or I read it somewhere.

  
  
  source please.
• Raj wrote on 2010-05-12 22:10
  -Finds-
  r1 Water Cannon can do 136 damage.
  136 x 5 (How many you can charge) = 680
  r1 Critical Hit = 150% of your attack
  
  So that's around meh, 1000 attack.
  Isn't that powerful? o.o
  
  -Note- My highest character level is 64? o.o;
• Kanam wrote on 2010-05-13 01:36
  According to the wiki 5 charge water cannon damage are 6.5x.
  Add your damage % from alchemy mastery, a water cylinder, enchant, etc.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-13 20:57

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;34294:

  source please.

  
  
  Water Cannon is strong.
  
  Equip a Water Cylinder.
  Have R1 Water Cannon & R1 Critical Hit.
  You can spam Water faster than Icebolt.
  
  It only gets better from there.
  
  G10- Rain Casting.
  G10- Cylinder upgrades
  G12- Tower Cylinder
  G12- Chain Cylinder
  
  Water Cannon and Flame Burst are two really strong skills.
  
  Why are you so hesitant to believe so?
• Trigger wrote on 2010-05-13 23:31

  Quote from Phunkie;35171:

  You can spam Water faster than Icebolt.

  
  
  Incorrect; both Icebolt and Water Cannon have the same peak loading times, 1.5 seconds.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-14 00:13

  Quote from Trigger;35306:

  Incorrect; both Icebolt and Water Cannon have the same peak loading times, 1.5 seconds.

  
  You are correct.
  
  Sorry, I overlooked that.
  
  However, seeing as how expensive MP is, Water Cannon is a great replacement (especially if you're full Alchemist). It only uses Stamina.
  
  Also, you can spam it like Icebolt or shoot it like Firebolt. Quite versatile.
• NewbieNub wrote on 2010-05-14 00:22

  Quote from Phunkie;35349:

  You are correct.
  
  Sorry, I overlooked that.
  
  However, seeing as how expensive MP is, Water Cannon is a great replacement (especially if you're full Alchemist). It only uses Stamina.
  
  Also, you can spam it like Icebolt or shoot it like Firebolt. Quite versatile.

  
  
  
  
  If you're going to treat it like firebolt, might as well get a CC wand/ FC wand to do the job.
  
  5 charges in a single go, or at least a 1.2s cast time for firebolt > 1.5s cast/ single blast water cannon.
  
  
  
  And I don't think most people would have both ample MP and SP for a dungeon without using potions anyway.
• Arsik wrote on 2010-05-14 02:45

  Quote from NewbieNub;35360:

  If you're going to treat it like firebolt, might as well get a CC wand/ FC wand to do the job.
  
  5 charges in a single go, or at least a 1.2s cast time for firebolt > 1.5s cast/ single blast water cannon.
  
  And I don't think most people would have both ample MP and SP for a dungeon without using potions anyway.

  
  
  With patience comes the Chain Cylinder skill, which allows you to Chaincast alchemy skills, so R1 Water Cannon will probably be better than Firebolt due to the speed of Water Cannon, the boost of damage that Water Cannon gets with the Water Cylinder and possibly Rain Casting, depending on if you take the time to use Rain Casting or not, Cylinder Upgrades that increases Water damage, and the fact that it uses SP instead of MP.
  
  Probably the only thing going for Firebolt is the fact that it is affected by a stat, where as Water Cannon's damage is pretty much static, depending on the monster you're fighting.
• December wrote on 2010-05-14 08:52

  Quote from Raj;34592:

  -Finds-
  r1 Water Cannon can do 136 damage.
  136 x 5 (How many you can charge) = 680
  r1 Critical Hit = 150% of your attack
  
  So that's around meh, 1000 attack.
  Isn't that powerful? o.o
  

  
  Actually...
  Lets start with 136 damage, 6.5 multiplier gives 884 damage, critical 2,210 damage (2.5 multiplier I believe), taking 7.5 seconds maximum, 1.5 seconds assuming rank 1 chain cylinder at 10% success rate. Add +45% dmg rank 1 alchemy mastery 3204 damage. Forgive me if my calculations are wrong, im not that into alchemy yet
  
  However you must consider this is END GAME situation, alchemy mastery is apparently ridiciously hard to train, and many skills arent even released (chain) or uncapped (mastery).
  
  Now your average (i use the term loosely) melee human will be able to comfortably pop 1000 smash. However if your using an end game alchemist as an example, consider a perfect melee character leveled up LOADS at age 10 (keep in mind stats dont affect alchemy damage). 3000~5000 damage while transformed shouldn't be too much of an exaggeration if we're talking endgame. Now assume this waternogi-like-character is a giant, that means your dealing this much damage with only 1.6 second load time.
  
  In the end, either of them are quite 'powerful' anyway, considering I can only barely hit 1k :]
• Raj wrote on 2010-05-14 09:04
  -Has Fail Calculations...-
  xD
  
  Really? Chain Cylinders? -Drools-
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-05-14 12:23

  Quote from NewbieNub;35360:

  If you're going to treat it like firebolt, might as well get a CC wand/ FC wand to do the job.
  
  5 charges in a single go, or at least a 1.2s cast time for firebolt > 1.5s cast/ single blast water cannon.
  
  
  
  And I don't think most people would have both ample MP and SP for a dungeon without using potions anyway.

  
  
  Like Arsik said, when Chain Cylinder comes out, R1 Cannon becomes so much better, comparable (or even better) than Firebolt. AND it doesn't use MP. That's just win, win, win right there.
  
  Endgame Alchemist, with a Tower Cylinder, R1 Alchemy Mastery, R1 Chain Cylinder, R1 Rain Casting and R1 Water Cannon is incredibly powerful. There is no denying that.
  
  And you only have to buy Stam potions, which you can get from NPCs. MP potions have be made or bought from other players. Which one is more easily accessible therefore? Stam potions. And Water Cannon only uses Stamina.
• Adelynn wrote on 2010-05-14 16:03
  Right now I'm only really interested in Barrier Spikes and maybe HP Drain. I haven't actually started on any alchemy skills beyond what Generation 9 actually requires, though. I have to finish other skills before starting on alchemy or I will never get to where I wanted to be in the first place.
• Raj wrote on 2010-05-14 21:47
  Wow.
  ..
  Alchemy sounds win.